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wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself disc... - 1/16/2006 4:09:56 PM

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i have recently wondered about markings. more specifically, i wonder if there is a recognized symbol that a submissive or slave may wear on his body, somewhere kinda hidden, but where One who knows would know to look for it. KInd of a "Calling card" thing. Does anyone practice this locally, or know of anything that may be considered "official?"
i do know about markings of owndership, use, training...i have never done that, but, as i said, i am curious about the above...can anyone help me?

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/16/2006 4:27:16 PM

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There is the BDSM triskle...it is copyrighted, BTW. Here's the page of the one who owns the copyright which explains what is and isn't the BDSM triskle (there's lots of triskles around).
http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/is.htm

There is the BDSM Pride Flag designed by Tony DeBlase. It is not copyrighted.
http://www.cufsnorth.org/bdsmflag.htm

And, recently, the Master/slave Pride Flag was unveiled, designed by Master Tallen and his slave andrew. It is also copyrighted.
http://www.mastwashington.org/M-s_Flag.htm

Those owning Copyrights usually only do so to protect the integrity of the design. Most are very open to it being used properly.
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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/16/2006 5:07:44 PM

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When you say "a recognized symbol that a submissive or slave may wear on his body," I'm guessing that you mean tattoos or brands. But there are websites that offer discreet jewerly that can be worn out in public and won't give you away to vanilla folk.

The one I recomend is cuffme.com, but most lifestyle websites offer jewerly as well. An opinion for anyone who doesn't want a tattoo.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/17/2006 2:09:56 PM

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One time back I came across and ad by a lady calling herself "Old guard" Dominatrix. While She has never replied to my inquiry as to what She meant by the term. So I googled the term "Old guard". Got a lot of hits pertaining to "leathermen" and "Old guard". One of the secret marking used by these individuals to identify themselves to one another was a black leather arm band or wrist band worn on the right arm to indicate dominate/top and the left arm or wrist to indicate masochist/submisive. Which seemed to correlate to either an article or story I read years ago. Vaguely recall it, but the dominatrix wore a black leather wrist band on her right wrist. As I call the band had several posts in it to indicate, or possibly to brag, or even to advertise, her various BDSM conquests. Seem to recall that she had boasted that one set symbolized each pair of balls that she has busted.

If this isn't actually a practise; maybe we could start one, by incorporating the triskle into a leather wrist or arm band?

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/17/2006 7:10:14 PM

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One time back I came across and ad by a lady calling herself "Old guard" Dominatrix. While She has never replied to my inquiry as to what She meant by the term. So I googled the term "Old guard". Got a lot of hits pertaining to "leathermen" and "Old guard". One of the secret marking used by these individuals to identify themselves to one another was a black leather arm band or wrist band worn on the right arm to indicate dominate/top and the left arm or wrist to indicate masochist/submisive. Which seemed to correlate to either an article or story I read years ago. Vaguely recall it, but the dominatrix wore a black leather wrist band on her right wrist. As I call the band had several posts in it to indicate, or possibly to brag, or even to advertise, her various BDSM conquests. Seem to recall that she had boasted that one set symbolized each pair of balls that she has busted.

If this isn't actually a practise; maybe we could start one, by incorporating the triskle into a leather wrist or arm band?

Flagging is very real, although I mainly observe it among my gay/lesbian friends. I do not understand what it all means, but there are all sorts of messages about what the person is into and such that can be sent by flagging. Usually in gay or Lesbian bars this is done with handkerchiefs of various colors (each meaning something) in either the right or left butt pocket of the wearers pants. Now I have observed the arm band thing among gay lethermen as well. I am sure there are many others on this board that know much more about the issue than myself and I won't pretend to be an expert on the issue.

I suggest you do some searches on flagging if this is a topic that really interests you. I would be very careful about approaching someone because he/she happens to be wearing an arm band or handkerchief etc. outside of a gay bar. For example I have seen Rockabilly/psyshobilly kids wear handkerchiefs in their back pockets at shows having no idea what it means in gay culture.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/18/2006 6:42:22 AM

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One problem with any sort of symbolism or flagging is that it has to be something universal-that anyone kinky is going to recognize-but it can't be anything easily mistaken for something else (are you wearing that brown handkerchief in your pocket because it matches your tie, or are you just glad to see me), visible, and it needs to be discreet.

Unlike the very organized and very political gay community who adopted the pink triangle assigned to homosexuals by the germans during WWII, and the rainbow pride flag, the bdsm scene isn't that well organized or openly politically active. And as a result, there is no instantly recognizable and discreet universal symbolism. We do not have a secret handshake.

For myself, I've chosen a ring that I wear all the time that I, personally, call my BDSM pride ring, it's a simple silver band with a loop on top and a padlock that dangles off of it. There is a picture of one like it here. The padlock/collar necklace and bracelet and the padlock pendant necklace are also quite nice for "flagging" IMO. (NOTE: this is not a recommendation or endorsement for this particular merchant, I bought my ring from a very vanilla brick/mortar store, and the padlock pendant necklace and the padlock/collar necklace from that store's website-their website's pictures are just not easily linked to).

How else are other people showing their BDSM pride and their orientation in discreet ways?

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/18/2006 7:58:46 AM

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There is also a slave pride flag and a bondage pride flag, that i'm aware of...(and a girl leather pride flag, too). Don't have the links in front of me, but when i find them, will be happy to post.

i love the slave pride flag...the same color scheme as leather pride with a collar at the center.

hope you find what you're looking for.

gina

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/20/2006 11:00:50 AM

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Now that is a good idea. Someone should really come up with a FemDomme flag, or maybe a Female Dominant/ male servant flag. Or other symbols. Just don't get it copyrighted, that way everyone can use it. Really, if gay men can have all those "codes" with handkerchiefs, why not everyone else?
Our local FemDomme group usually puts up red ballons when we have a munch to let people know where to find us. Can be amusing on valentine's day with ballons everywhere.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 2:13:55 AM

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To quote the site.

And that is EXACTLY why a symble to show every one that every one wears world qide and consistently is infeasable.

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So there it is: precisely the sort of misunderstanding we wanted so badly to avoid. Certain BDSMers look like total offensive jerks simply because they didn't understand the symbol they were using. And we all look bad because of them.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 9:11:41 AM

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Nothing wrong with showing your pride. But I think it would be easiest if the BDSM markings are kept simple and as consise as possible.
One side for "top" the other for "bottom". Wide or width, two inches, for interest in male partner. Narrow, one inch, for Female partner. And if the wearer decides to add "charms" or "trinkets" to indicate personal interests. Well then that would serve as a conversation piece to help break the ice.. "Well this one is for my last partner..... he/she liked ....." or "This one I choose to stand for my enjoyment of doing ...."

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 10:17:11 AM

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I wear a beaded braclet made to look like the leather pride flag. It's subtle, but I get knowing looks.

There's a guy I work with who always wears a handkerchief in his back pocket. At first, I thought it was a subtle sign, but it turns out he just likes how it looks. Talk about misleading! he was cute too :)

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 11:54:00 AM

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A few of the poeple on the list mentioned above had bdsm emblim tatto's that were incorrect and actually was a symble for something else. It's kind of silly if you ask me to get something ment to be a bdsm symble tatto'd on and it's not even the right symble.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 8:04:32 PM

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A few of the poeple on the list mentioned above had bdsm emblim tatto's that were incorrect and actually was a symble for something else. It's kind of silly if you ask me to get something ment to be a bdsm symble tatto'd on and it's not even the right symble.

**Emblem.....tattooed.....symbol.....tattoos....people.......meant**
Come on. All the misspellings look bad on U/us in the community. It's not right to condem O/others and T/their knowledge when N/noone is perfect.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 8:12:32 PM

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I wear my dick 24/7/365 it kinda defines who I am and it's reasonably universal.........I really discourage any one else from using some other badge of honor than that which they are........others differ, seems it's not enough.

Jus' me.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/21/2006 8:16:35 PM

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**Emblem.....tattooed.....symbol.....tattoos....people.......meant**
Come on. All the misspellings look bad on U/us in the community. It's not right to condem O/others and T/their knowledge when N/noone is perfect.

Nope, no one is perfect

And I wear a bar pin that looks like a version of the BDSM flag. I can even wear it to work and no one really knows what it means unless they are interested in it themselves. The strange thing is that no one has asked about it, everyone just kind of ignores it.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/22/2006 12:34:26 AM

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I wear a silver chain that is padlocked for a necklace. So far i have had only one or two knowing or curius looks. a few people have asked about it only to crack jokes at it (wich for some reason really angers me) but most seem to not even notice. on the triskele though. I personally really do like it. That is something i wouldn't mind haveing cut for a window sticker on my car. It's subtle and very attractive to look at. if anyone ever asked it could easily be explained away as i like it but im not saying what it symbolizes.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/22/2006 1:17:46 AM

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Yes but the Emblem is very specific, and using the wrong one for the wrong thing is making the point one wanted to put across moot now. Like one of them is for taoists, if you got the one for taoists thinking it was the one for bdsm, well now then your not showing every one who knows the bdsm symbol you''re into bdsm, you're saying you're a taoist. And quite by mistake too.

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One person's bad typing does not make the whole comunity look bad that's just plain sillyness.

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All the misspellings look bad on U/us in the community.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/22/2006 1:31:19 AM

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to quote again,

THE BDSM Emblem is a design based on a Triskele. The Triskele is the basic shape of the Emblem, with three "arms" curving out from the center and merging with an encompassing circle. The Triskele is an ancient shape that has had many uses and many meanings in many cultures. Not all Triskeles are BDSM Emblems! It is the details of the design that make it the BDSM Emblem

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/22/2006 10:14:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

to quote again,

THE BDSM Emblem is a design based on a Triskele. The Triskele is the basic shape of the Emblem, with three "arms" curving out from the center and merging with an encompassing circle. The Triskele is an ancient shape that has had many uses and many meanings in many cultures. Not all Triskeles are BDSM Emblems! It is the details of the design that make it the BDSM Emblem

True, but triskelles are reminicent of the BDSM emblem. I wear a triskelle for a variety of reasons, as well as have one incorperated into my tattoo. One of the reasons is the way it echos the bdsm emblem.

I see what you're saying though--that we can't assume that everyone wearing a triskelle is wearing a bdsm emblem.

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RE: wondering about symbols, ways to indentify oneself ... - 1/22/2006 11:24:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

to quote again,

THE BDSM Emblem is a design based on a Triskele. The Triskele is the basic shape of the Emblem, with three "arms" curving out from the center and merging with an encompassing circle. The Triskele is an ancient shape that has had many uses and many meanings in many cultures. Not all Triskeles are BDSM Emblems! It is the details of the design that make it the BDSM Emblem

True, but triskelles are reminicent of the BDSM emblem. I wear a triskelle for a variety of reasons, as well as have one incorperated into my tattoo. One of the reasons is the way it echos the bdsm emblem.

I see what you're saying though--that we can't assume that everyone wearing a triskelle is wearing a bdsm emblem.

Most people I know who have a tattoo with the symbol incorporated in it have it for their own pride. Not necessarily for someone else to recognize. Tattoos are art. People add a piece of their own personality to it to make it unique and theirs. I myself do not have a triskele tattoo. But if I were to get one I would add to it also. The symbol is plain. And I would much rather have a work of art than a simple drawing. Besides I wonder how many people have seen the symbol, thought it was cool and got it tattooed on them. (Not knowing what it meant.) Wouldn't be the first time someone did something like that.
And on the other note....as I said.....No one is perfect. I don't claim to be and will be the first to admit it. But if you want someone to respect your advice and believe you know what you are talking about, and want to condem someone else's knowledge or lack there of....Many "typos" is not the way to go about it.

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