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servantheart -> RE: Gallstones ??? (2/17/2009 3:08:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or fr Thanks for caring and sharing. It is going away on it's own. I think I might have to go along with the kidney stone theory. It makes sense. Now my thing is to figure out how to keep it from happening again. I think at this point it has passed and I am just dealing with the residual irritation. My resolve in not going to a doctor is still strong. I must admit this one almost beat me. This resolve is not borne from fear or the lack of insurance, I firmly believe that my mind believes that it has no choice but to heal itself or perish. So far so good. I would be interested in how to keep this from happening again though, I don't need this all over again. So right now I'm feeling pretty good so I'm off to rabblerouse a bit before work. I'll be checking back to see if someone has anything more to say. Thanks again. T Glad You're feeling better! I hope that You will get Yourself checked out, though. If You don't have insurance, they will work out a payment plan, and if You're looking for a way to avoid a repeat performance of the last few days, get Yourself to the doctor. The mind can work wonders, but the mind isn't Superman, and You have nothing to prove, not even to Yourself (unless You're nurturing a masochistic streak we don't know about). Sometimes stubborness is dangerous. Why suffer if You don't have to? [sm=dunno.gif]

sirsholly -> RE: Gallstones ??? (2/17/2009 3:17:46 PM)
Term, to prevent the formation of more stones...drink 3-4 liters of water per day, a few glasses with freshly squeezed lemon juice mixed in. Reduce the sodium in your diet and there is a theory that reducing animal protein will decrease the risk. But don't forget..you may have more stones already formed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gallstones ??? (2/17/2009 3:39:59 PM)
kidney stones... keep your system flushed with water and cran berry juice... amazingly that does help gallstones.. wow... whole nother animal. pain can be referred.. can ease then come back.. can be caused by fatty, greasy foods... or.. in my case.. dairy. i would be great until i drank milk, ate cheese or had ice cream... within hours i would be curled up.. the pain shooting through to my back from the middle of my stomach. i was diagnosed with sludge and small stones. the surgeon told me.. call me when you cant stand the pain anymore. yep, you guessed it. a few weeks later i was back in the er, begging to have them removed. pancreatitis had set in because one of those stones had backed up into my pancreas. you wont know till you are diagnosed. kidney stones can pass painfully, but, harmlessly. gallstones can kill you. do what you feel is best for you

servantheart -> RE: Gallstones ??? (2/17/2009 5:10:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or My resolve in not going to a doctor is still strong. WARNING: Stubborness may result in transformation from Termyn8or to Termyn8ed.

LadyAyla7053 -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/12/2009 2:15:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Not so sure. This pain would send 99.9% of the people to the ER, but not me.If you know me you know my commitment to self healing and the subsequent study thereof. I have stated that I do not go to doctors and I have had a hard time this last week keeping to my word. Symptoms were chronic fatigue and coldness, no appetite at all. Strange, but the only thing I got out of bed for was to check on CM and piss. I did not eat between Sunday and Tuesday. I slept almost all the time. There developed a severe pain in my left side, which I cannot attribbute to any accident or anything, I don't think it was a rib problem (details available on request). The pain got unbearable anytime I would cough or sneeze, and I lost some work over it. I was not functional. Bending over was pure hell. However then my buddy shows up and want to get some food from my favorite eatery, and brings some Mother nature. After three bites from a sandwich, it started feeling a bit better, a few tokes, a beer here and there. I think I really got some REM sleep last night. It was bad, and I have to admit it almost beat me, but right now it is looking pretty good. I am eating almost normally again and the pain is subsiding. Now I had a buddy who I think had pain on the left side, and wound up having his gallbladder removed. I pecked around the net though and found that what they say is that is on the right side, but do they mean as they look at you or do they mean you ? It is on my left side, if you looked at me it would be on the right. Did I misinterpret this ? Whatever it is, I seem to be on the mend, most definitely. Also gallbaladder problems frequently cause pain in the front of the abdomen according to the websites I looked at. I was getting to the point where I thought I really couldn't handle it and was considering my options as far as actually going to an MD. But I was also ready to get my affairs in order, if you can understand my philosophy. Hell no I won't go. The question is, what happened ? Did I possibly pass some stones ? Kidneystones are way worse I would think because they eventually wind up in the urinary tract, no fun for either gender. But what exactly happens when you pass gallstones ? They go into the small intestine underneath the stomach. Is this possibly what happened to me ? Any other ideas on what this might have been are welcome, I am not completely convinced that it was gallstones, but I think it may have been. I have noticed people have mentioned gallbladder problems before and if stones, I would like to hear about the symptoms. In the last couple of days there has been quite an improvement, I actually played a bit of piano today. I feel much better then I did last week. However this left/right thing leaves me wondering if it wasn't something else. The pain was near the bottom of the ribcage on the left side. If anyone knows I would like to know. Please don't tell me to go to a doctor, if you knew me you would know that ain't happenin. It almost did, but I won apparently. Someone mentioned kidneys, but I think they are farther back. What organ is on the left side of my body in that spot ? I just want the info to do my own further research, if someone can nail it, I will pay special attention to what I need to not have this happen again. I have internet access to Google, I don't need forty links. More personal experiences with gallbladder problems or whatever it was I may have had would be desired. Going to a doctor is not an option until I have better than a 50/50 chance of dying. Your opinions and comments are welcome, as long as you don't tell me to go to the doctor. I did not say what I said in jest, I will not go. It is not an irrational fear IMO and nothing anyone can say will change that. Anything else is welcome, other than that, just move on. This is my life and will live and die it on my and my creator's terms, if any. It did test my resolve though, it was pretty bad. Any ideas ? T As others have said so eloquently. Get your backside to the doctor. I am 34 years old now and when I was 19 I had gall stones the size of golfballs. Eating anything would set me up for horrible pain that would have me curled up so tightly and crying that eventually I was sent to the hospital and emergency surgery was done. They tried to do it lyprascopic but couldn't because of the size of the stones. Now I have a scar on my stomach that has a nifty oriental dragon over it. Do not, let me repeat. DO NOT delay. Your life may be on the line.

bemyslut -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/16/2009 3:18:45 PM)
there are many diseases which can cause RLQ (right lower quadrant) pain--gallstones being one of them . Other diseases which can cause RLQ pain: billiary colic, gallbladder dyskinesia or akinesia, kidney stones, diverticulosis, acalculous cholecystitis, etc etc etc. In most cases your doctor can order a simple noninvasive test (Ultrasound) to help with the diagnosis (if that is inconclusive, a HIDA scan can nail the diagnosis). Gall stones, unlike kidney stones, seldom pass out of the body. More than likely, they will continue to grow in size and aggravate your symptoms. The undulating severity of your pain is very typical of gall stones--unlike kidney stones, they do not cause constant discomfort; they pain, however, will continue to intensify. Your reference to having pain on the left side can be the result of (as opposed to A delta fibers) C fibers being activated; these can make pain appear at a site distant from the actualy pathology. Even if you shun hospitals and conventional medicine, it is safer to rule out diseases that can kill you. Inform your doctor of your feelings and beliefs and work out a care plan together

DesFIP -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/16/2009 9:53:25 PM)
If it's getting better it isn't gallstones. And the pain from them is excruciating. Sounds like a stomach virus to me.

DemonKia -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/17/2009 3:30:03 AM)
FR, after read thru Okay, I have two contributions to make: First: last summer I had an ache in my upper left abdomen (& yes, the directions are from your perspective rather than the docs) that slowly built into an agonizing pain over about 4 or 6 hours. I'm pretty stoic (no pain killers for any of my 3 labor & deliveries) . . . . & I went to the ER. They thought gallbladder, but the CAT scan showed that it was my kidney, & the diagnosis they ended up with was kidney infection. They had me on some serious IV antibiotics for 4 days at which time I was allowed to go home, tho' I was pretty wiped out still . . . . . Took me a coupla weeks to get back to feeling somewhat normal . . . . . (I had oral antibiotics to take after getting outta the hospital . . . ) Referred pain is when pain presents somewhere very different than would be obvious, & it's pretty common. Medical stuff isn't cookie-cutter precise, which is why docs & such rely on all kinds of tools in addition to the patient's self-reported symptoms . . . . The second part I wanna share with you: My mom did not believe in standard medical care. She was diagnosed with breast cancer in July of 2004, & refused regular medical treatment, relying instead on alternative healing practices. She died in February of 2006, after at least 9 months of significant-to-agonizing pain that she finally started self-treating with aspirin in the last few months . . . . & that last coupla months, the pain must have been insane, I don't even wanna imagine. She finally relented & went to the docs 4 or 5 days before she died . . . . . . I'm gonna spare you the gruesome details of what the tumor did to her body, the wounds she lived with for so long . . . . . & it was very painful for all of us to watch her commit suicide, which is what I told her I thought she was doing in the fall of 2004 . . . . . She hated me for saying that to her, but since I've been grappling with suicidal feelings since age 11, I think I've got some ability to spot it even in those who are not consciously admitting that's what's going on . . . . . The worse part is that her alternative healing stuff in combination with standard medical treatment probably would have enhanced her chances . ... .. I don't know you the way I knew my mom, so I reserve judgement as to your motivations, & others' opinions will be immaterial if you stubbornly refuse all regular medical treatment & put your friends & loved ones thru the agony of watching you die a long, slow, & avoidable death . .. . .

Aswad -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/17/2009 3:30:56 AM)
Termyn8or, This kind of crap is exactly why the medical establishment is skeptical of anything that reeks of "natural." The two should be complementary and/or synergistic, not adverserial and mutually exclusive. My local hospital prefers acupuncture for some kinds of pain, for instance. My primary care physician is well versed in alternative therapies. And the alternative folks I know tend to be ex-nurses... ... or engaged in trench warfare against Teh 3stablishment. Guess which ones stay in the "know" category? Then get your ass to a doctor, stat. Health, al-Aswad.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/18/2009 3:08:53 PM)
Gallbladder pain can come and go as the stones move. It would hit, then go away in a few hours. Mine did, over the course of months, until one finally lodged into my pancreatic duct. Talk about excrutiating pain. I so can sympathize with people who have pancreas problems.

winterlight -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/18/2009 11:17:54 PM)
I had pain from my gallbladder for months. I finally went to the Dr. They did a test and there was a big stone in there. I was lucky it wasn't small ones and they didn't get into my bile duct. I wish i still had my gallbladder. The side effects i suffer from not having one is really something i don't wish on anybody. I am afraid to eat, no matter what i eat i have a problem. I have been to the Dr. and the most they can tell me is to take Immodium every day for the rest of my life or this yellow powder stuff that gives me stomach pain. I really hate the effects of NOT having a gallbladder..

Racquelle -> RE: Gallstones ??? (7/18/2009 11:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 Go to the damn doctor. That's exactly what I was going to say. Having my gallbladder out has been an excellent choice for me and I suffered needlessly for many years until my gallbladder was covered with lesions and infected. Not going to the doctor for a hangnail or a sniffle is one thing, but really - if you can afford it, go. Go even if you can't.

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