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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 1:49:56 PM

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I wonder if those men who say women are superior are also saying that lesbians are superior? I don't think I've ever heard a "slave piggy" say that, not even one time. It's as though lesbians aren't really women in that view of the world. After all, they're "non-breeders," so that biology argument doesn't hold anymore.

Gotta disagree here, at least with one point. More and more lesbians are having children now, and the fact that this is happening actually makes the biology point, which IMO is the only point to be made. All the rest of it is BS.

Having said that, bear in mind that I am not a supporter of female supremacy. That biological thing is just happenstance, not some proof from a divine creator that women are superior. There is a flip side to it that is often missed by people because it is not so obvious, and that is that the male side of the equation is the one which makes evolution possible. Millions of gametes released at once and only the one (presumably the strongest, though the system is obviously not foolproof) gets to fertilize the egg.

In any case I certainly do not discount lesbians from the whole female supremacy concept. I was raised by lesbians, and I can say with first hand knowledge that those among them who are female supremacists are probably its most honest proponents, if not it's most fervent. Not that it makes the concept any more valid. Or any less damaging than any other form of bigotry. It doesn't. It's effects are simply less widespread. Reverse the power dynamic and it would become just as much of a monster that the current patriarchal paradigm is now.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 1:50:33 PM

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Well... not all are created equal... some smarter, some not... some stronger... some not... of the same gender's we find these difference's. What explains that? No way are you going to make me belive my sister is superior to any man... you would have to know my sister to understand that... but let's just say... she isn't very nice... isn't very smart and just about her only strength was being disgusting. lol

So by saying women are superior... you are saying that all men are inferior and are good for labor... made for labor... and women... well... are good for labor too.. just another kind. Thanks for putting us back a few decades and back into that bare foot and pregnant princess mode! lol I guess we are in our proper place... bearing um's with men supporting us and taking care of the hard parts... so we can sit and use our brains.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 1:51:38 PM

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I'm saying it's not reasonable, though, to try to "prove" that one sex is superior to another by means of objective facts.

Um...say again?

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 1:52:46 PM

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Ah, but this is 2009, I'm afraid.

Yep, and artificial wombs are already good enough that babies live despite being born amazingly prematurely. Within your lifetime, there will be no need for a human uterus to sustain life from conception -- rendering both women and men obsolete to the miracle of life, except for their provision of both sperm and ovum. So suck it up and get a new argument.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:04:57 PM

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Well... not all are created equal... some smarter, some not... some stronger... some not... of the same gender's we find these difference's. What explains that? No way are you going to make me belive my sister is superior to any man... you would have to know my sister to understand that... but let's just say... she isn't very nice... isn't very smart and just about her only strength was being disgusting. lol

And yet for all her lack of grace, she is, biologically speaking, more complete than a man.

If people choose to base Female Supremacy upon biological facts, how is it "wrong"?

P.s. Sorry you had to resort to degrading a family member to prove a point on a public message board. Hope it was worth it.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:09:56 PM

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Well... not all are created equal... some smarter, some not... some stronger... some not... of the same gender's we find these difference's. What explains that? No way are you going to make me belive my sister is superior to any man... you would have to know my sister to understand that... but let's just say... she isn't very nice... isn't very smart and just about her only strength was being disgusting. lol

And yet for all her lack of grace, she is, biologically speaking, more complete than a man.

If people choose to base Female Supremacy upon biological facts, how is it "wrong"?

P.s. Sorry you had to resort to degrading a family member to prove a point on a public message board. Hope it was worth it.

I just proved I was inferior didn't I? lol Normal... and I didn't degrade my sister.. she did.. I just commented on it... believe me.. it isn't a big secret. But... if I, a superior being can prove such foolishness... how the hell by being female can I be superior? A fool is a fool.. no matter the gender... reproduction doesn't come by way of one without the other, by whatever means...

Or is it that I am simply not a fool.. but a mean and bitchy superior woman?

Just what is it about the brain that proves a woman.. even my sister is superior to men?

And you just judged a superior... you should be ashamed of yourself! Hey... it's your creed....

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:20:30 PM

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Ah, but this is 2009, I'm afraid.

Yep, and artificial wombs are already good enough that babies live despite being born amazingly prematurely. Within your lifetime, there will be no need for a human uterus to sustain life from conception -- rendering both women and men obsolete to the miracle of life, except for their provision of both sperm and ovum. So suck it up and get a new argument.

While there's far more to reproduction than than simulating a uterus, and while we may be drawing ever closer to unlocking the secrets of parthenogenesis in mammals, the "baby in a jar", even if raised perfectly into adulthood—will still be either male or Female, and the Female, by virtue of being Female, will have all the biological qualities that make her the complete copy of the human organism.

Side note: In an age when we are capable of reproducing without sex (parthenogenesis), which sex will likely be retained? Hint: XX

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:24:19 PM

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I just proved I was inferior didn't I? lol

Biologically you're not.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:25:24 PM

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ROFL

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 2:26:36 PM

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So it is the body and not the brain... got it... lol

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 6:03:49 PM

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Hey Lockit, it's not your nose or some genie you need to rub to put a man in 'worship' mode! <wicked, evil, grin> Thanks for the smile your humor engenders!

As to the rest of the post...my opinion/two cents...

I'm not into 'gender' superiority. I have people I admire, and I strive to be the best I can be. With me, there is no 'automatic respect'...its all earned :)

If a man wants to worship Me, that's fine, but do it because of the personal growth and evolution I've done, not just because I have XY cellular structure.

As my Dominance is shared with only a valued few, so should a person consider the reasons s/he desires to serve and submit.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 7:23:51 PM

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I'm saying it's not reasonable, though, to try to "prove" that one sex is superior to another by means of objective facts.

Um...say again?

I don't think I could answer that in less than hundreds of words, XY. All I'll say is that no biologist, naturalist - or any other scientist worth his or her salt - would dream of offering evidence for the superiority of one human sex over the other. It would give their science a bad name. The most they'd ever do is talk about the attributes of one sex or the other. It would be others who'd want to turn those attributes into signs of superiority or inferiority - and they'd all put their own spin on the evidence so that it suits what they want to see. Men did that with the evidence about size, muscularity, the 'ability to suppress their emotions', the fact that they 'burnt brighter than women so died younger' (see the way the spin goes?) - now, we see the opposite kind of spin. Muscularity means nothing, longevity means all, having emotions is a good thing not a bad thing . . . . This is all very much a case, to me, of two wrongs absolutely not making a right.

But, actually, what hits me most about this idea is of female supremacy is it that doesn't seem very human. It seems cold. I picture some poor woman, feeling ill, she hates the weight she's put on, she sees another grey hair or another wrinkle and hates that too, she's depressed . . . . She's not going to want supremacy, she's just going to want some love and care. That sort of stuff. ;-)

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 11:39:03 PM

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I'm saying it's not reasonable, though, to try to "prove" that one sex is superior to another by means of objective facts.

Um...say again?

I don't think I could answer that in less than hundreds of words, XY. All I'll say is that no biologist, naturalist - or any other scientist worth his or her salt - would dream of offering evidence for the superiority of one human sex over the other.

Science is about discovering truths about our universe which can be tested and verified conclusively. Thus far science has revealed that women are genetically more complicated—and complete—than men, as well as less prone to genetic diseases, have more advanced nervous systems, and so on. This is what the objective facts reveal. That is why good science is so wonderful; it is objective.

While science may be full of objective facts, the scientists themselves are not at all passionless robots in their observations or feelings. I will let a few individuals speak for themselves. Take from these snippets what you may.

"Males are wilting away.... From sperm count to social status, and from fertilization to death, as civilization advances those who bear Y chromosomes are in relative decline."

""Oh no!" I can hear you say, "Not superior, but equal, partners, complementary, different, but not superior. What an idea!" Men will mostly smile, while women, alarmed, will rush to the defense of men as women always have and always will."

David Bainbridge
Reproductive Biologist
Author, The Natural Superiority of Women

"Outside the segments devoted to the small tasks of manhood, most of the y is filled with decay. It has degenerated because it abjures the messy business of sex."

"Males are, in many ways, parasites upon their partners. Their interests are to persuade the other party to invest in reproduction, while doing as little as they can themselves."

Steve Jones
Geneticist, Author

Girls, not boys, come out wired for mutual gazing. Girls do not experience the testosterone surge in utero that shrinks the centers for communication, observation and processing of emotion, so their potential to develop skills in these areas are better than boys'."

Louann Brizendine
Neuropsychiatrist, Author

"Originally the Y-chromosome was a perfectly respectable chromosome, but its fate was sealed when it took on the mantle of creating males."

"Are the male trademarks of greed, aggression and promiscuity genetically based?"

Bryan Sykes
Geneticist, Author

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/17/2009 11:48:43 PM

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So it is the body and not the brain... got it... lol

The brain is part of the body, is it not?

But an argument? No. The validity of our words depends upon what we invest in them.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:02:01 AM

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XYisInferior wrote: No one can deny the male is a derivative of the female template (why do men have nipples?).

Denied! Men have nipples because they form before any sex-differentiation happens in the embryo. It's not because the male is a derivative of a female `template' but, rather, because both male and female are derivatives of a sexless template. Even if the male was `a derivative of the female template', one could argue that this means that men are more highly-developed and, hence superior.

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That is scientific fact.

No, it's total bunk based on your misunderstanding and selective application of developmental biology. One could just as easily claim that, since the clitoris develops from the same tissues that become the penis in the male, the female is a derivative of the male template and, therefore inferior. But that would be total bunk, too.

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No one can deny Women are more genetically complex than men.

From which one could just as easily conclude that men are superior because the Y chromosome pair can evolve more quickly.

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No one can deny men are more prone to a number of diseases...

No-one can deny that women are prone to dying during or shortly after childbirth, and more prone to depression and to certain forms of HIV and other STDs.

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... and Women usually outlive men by an average of seven years.

Denied! The global average life expectancy is about 64 years for men and 68 for women (source: CIA World Factbook). The detail depends very much on where you look. It's about six years in the US and Germany, five in the UK, Canada and Mexico. In South Africa, men live, on average, about 18 months longer than women; in Mozambique, about a year longer. Also, no-one can deny that a significant factor in women's increased life-expectancy is that men are more likely to go off to fight wars and do dangerous manual jobs.

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No one can deny Women bear the most vital sexual organs.

Er, what? How is one end more vital than the other? And does possession of the `most vital' thing indicate superiority? For example, a bank branch manager has the keys to the vault, whereas the CEO doesn't. But the CEO is clearly superior to the branch manager.

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No one can deny Women have a higher pain tolerance than men.

Denied! There are studies that suggest that, actually, men have a higher pain tolerance.

None of these things makes men or women superior or inferior. The reasons for your feelings about women come from inside you, XY, not from biology.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:04:45 AM

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Lockit wrote: I wonder where you get the shrinking men tablet or if you can purchase them online...

No, online you can only get the ones to make your man bigger. *cough*

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:08:39 AM

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Taziesubguy you lost to females?? man not good. I spose i am Superior to most people because of my wealth considering my age and all you just gotta keep at what makes you happy and you will do good things

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:12:29 AM

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There are many areas of research that not only validate Female Superiority, but prove it in black-and-white.

No there aren't. There are many areas of research that demonstrate that men and women are different. You choose to selectively interpret that research, by looking only at areas where women tend to perform better than men, and conclude that women are superior. The research makes objective statements; `superiority' is a value judgement.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:14:55 AM

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I wonder if those men who say women are superior are also saying that lesbians are superior? I don't think I've ever heard a "slave piggy" say that, not even one time.

Of course they're superior! They're the hottest of the hot and the slave piggies spend half their time wanking off to thoughts of them.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:17:05 AM

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I talked to a slave once, who told me that when he was in grade school and sitting out on the playground, sometimes girls would be mean, and as they were sitting there, swing their feet back and forth and kick at his shins. He said that he would find them charming, when they did that.

I, in turned, found his reactions charming.

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