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FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 3:42:48 PM

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We see many posts about Female Supremacy and the fact that many people believe that to be a FemDom, you must practice or believe in Female Supremacy.

Well alot of us don't, yet I see many many profiles from subs seeking Female Supremacy as a request, Domina profiles stating that they practice and expect Female Supremacy and other subs who state "The Female is Supreme"--so I am going to put this out there and hopefully inquiring minds like mine want to know how this practice is exhibited in the relationship or what you define as Female Supremacy?

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 3:56:01 PM

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I get a lot of emails on this even though I ask not to be called Goddess or Mistress in my profile and state that I am not superior to anyone. I have even had them argue the point and say that once I hear them out I will change my mind. The best one so far stated that since woman gave birth, she was superior. I simply believe that it takes two create and though birthing is harder than donating some sperm, doesn't make me superior... just more work in the process.

From what I gather from those I have talked to... they feel inferior and it is more about their being inferior than my superior.

I too, would like to hear how it all plays out. I am still not going that path... but I would like to hear how it goes and what it is based on as in definitions.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 4:04:51 PM

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It would be nice to live in a society where women were superior, and males weren't permitted to vote, or to hold jobs where they supervised any woman, but instead were secretaries, waiters, hairdressers, and mainly homemakers, and I read a sci-fi novel long ago which was about a future where that happened, and I found it very exciting, but the reality is that virtually everyone knows and agrees that the genders are equal, and should be treated equally, and that will never change, nor should it, but I sure identified with the househusband in that novel. He's greet his wife with a kiss each day when she came home from work, and had a wonderful dinner ready for her. She didn't permit him to work, and many guys only worked until they could attract a woman who would marry them. Then it would be up to the wife if her husband worked.

Boys learned to play with dolls, since their primary adult role would be homemaker nad raising children, once they got married. Girls were raised to regard males as subordinate and inferior, and a daughter could tell her father to do her hair, or tell her brother, or to fix her a snack or whatever, or help dress her, just like her mother did. The males accepted this as normal. It sounded like heaven to me.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 5:16:50 PM

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I am certainly not a sexist male. While I do think that some folks are natural leaders and others natural followers, I do not think this has anything to do with gender. I was raised by a lesbian couple and spent much of my adult life recovering from the scars that exposure to Female Supremacy caused before I could finally admit to to my dominant nature. Today, even the phrase "Female Supremacy" puts me in a bad mood.

Yes, I believe that women and men are different and those differences should be celebrated. I believe that what women can do makes them very special, and there is a need to see to it they have certain privileges men do not which are designed to keep them safe. They can choose to ignore those privileges but that should be their choice. However, the reasons for my believing that that are purely biological. The state of technology is reaching a point when men will become relatively unnecessary for procreation.. or at least we as a species will have need of far less men, in any case. That cannot be said for women.

Yes I understand all of that. I hear occasional discussions from women who think men like me (i.e. Dominant men) are just bigoted assholes.. my mother was one of those women and it caused me no end of trouble growing up. But it does not change that I am Dominant or that there are submissive women out there and that we are naturally inclined to find one another and be together. I really do hope that those women will get over this bigoted thinking. I know from first hand experience the damage that it can do.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 5:26:14 PM

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I dont know if any of you ever watched the show Sliders (a show about a couple college kids "sliding" into different dimensions), but there was a fun episode where the gender roles were reversed.

I think you can even watch it right now on hulu.com :)

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 5:34:33 PM

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There was a TV series (short-lived) about gender reversal, too, where the men were secretaries, but I don't remember the name of it, and a film about a future Earth had women owning men as slaves. Diana Muldaur owned John Saxon for twenty minutes or so.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 5:42:08 PM

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Those are stories... fantasy... not real life experience's. How does it work in real life? So far most the dominant's that have responded, are not into this superior role/place and submissive's are. So now is your time to explain it, not go into more fantasy unless you want us to discredit how you feel when you might approach us.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 6:11:46 PM

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Let's hope Mistress Dolly weighs in on this one.
Tavane, the role reversal show was called, "All That Glitters".

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/16/2009 10:54:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lockit How does it work in real life? So far most the dominant's that have responded, are not into this superior role/place and submissive's are. So now is your time to explain it, not go into more fantasy unless you want us to discredit how you feel when you might approach us.

My own perspective on the subject is probably (or rather, based on the threads I've read over the years, almost certainly) atypical, but here's how it works for me - when I'm in a relationship, the woman is supreme within that relationship. I obey her; I trust her judgment and her wisdom more than I do mine, I have faith in her leadership... within the parameters of that relationship, the female is supreme. Thus, female supremacy.

Now, outside the parameters of my personal relationships, it's a somewhat different story. Even though it's something that works for me in my personal life, I would stop short of extrapolating it into some sort of universal truth. To loosely quote a good friend of mine, "If you really think all women are superior to all men, how do you explain Paris Hilton?" In general, I tend to trust and respect the leadership of women more than i do men. Women generally make a lot more sense to me than men. I tend to trust their motivations more, their logic, and I feel safer following their lead than I do that of men. In general. All other things being equal.

So that's my concept of female supremacy. I pick a woman i trust to lead me, we fall in love, and I follow her lead. Because I have that much trust in that particular woman. And only in her.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 1:12:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

My own perspective on the subject is probably (or rather, based on the threads I've read over the years, almost certainly) atypical, but here's how it works for me - when I'm in a relationship, the woman is supreme within that relationship. I obey her; I trust her judgment and her wisdom more than I do mine, I have faith in her leadership... within the parameters of that relationship, the female is supreme. Thus, female supremacy.

Well, substitute the word Dominant for female and that is just plain old every day slavery. The fact that she is female is almost incidental. Females just happen to be what you are attracted to. This is not the Female Supremacy I grew up hearing about, where all men were little better than animals and this twilight patriarchal society established by force, and where, now that women had a shot at taking control back, any woman who allowed herself to be dominated by a man was pitied.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 3:54:44 AM

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For my general philosophy outside of kink, I do not believe in gender superiority and think best of synergy had through diversity. That is, I think a community of men and women would have more synergy than that of men only or women only. Within kink, I can appreciate female supremacy.

It is through discussions of this type I have come to understand the distinction between female superiority and female supremacy. By superiority I mean greater inherent worth. By supremacy, I mean that one has a superior role while one has a subordinate role without necessarily a correlation to superiority of traits. Sometimes the two terms are used interchangeably because the basis for supremacy is thought to be superiority.

I think some people do indeed believe in superiority of whichever gender. Some hold this belief towards general life philosophy. For some, I think this belief serves as a construct that enables immersion into their respective role.

For kink, I do appreciate female supremacy. I enjoy parties or events that have a female supremacy theme. With time, however, I have come to see that what I enjoy is dominant supremacy. My wish to assume a subordinate role is inspired by a person and not the orientation or gender alone. Encountering one towards whom one does not feel submission at such an event helps bring this reality to perspective.

I think most people believe in dominant supremacy (treating a person to whom one chooses to submit as one of higher status, or wishing for a greater status in one's relationship) and because of their preference for the sex of a partner as driven by their orientation, they instead see it as gender supremacy.

Within dominant supremacy, I think the details of the supremacy depend on the dynamic. A relationship that is based on kink alone will be different than one that achieves companionship and kink.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 5:09:22 AM

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ThatDamnedPanda wrote:
My own perspective on the subject is probably (or rather, based on the threads I've read over the years, almost certainly) atypical, but here's how it works for me - when I'm in a relationship, the woman is supreme within that relationship. I obey her; I trust her judgment and her wisdom more than I do mine, I have faith in her leadership... within the parameters of that relationship, the female is supreme. Thus, female supremacy.

No. `Female supremacy' is the belief that all women are inherently superior to all men, simply because they are women. Now, I accept that people can use phrases to mean whatever they want but this is the consensus definition of the term and, if you want to use it to mean something else, you'll have to explain your private definition every time you use the phrase or people will think you mean something else.

Your choice of who you submit to is based on their qualities as a person, not simply on the fact that they are a woman. That is no more `female supremacy' than disliking a person who happens to be Jewish is anti-Semitism.

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In general, I tend to trust and respect the leadership of women more than i do men. Women generally make a lot more sense to me than men. I tend to trust their motivations more, their logic, and I feel safer following their lead than I do that of men. In general. All other things being equal.

Fair enough. But that's not a statement of their superiority; merely about your ability to relate to them.

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So that's my concept of female supremacy. I pick a woman i trust to lead me, we fall in love, and I follow her lead. Because I have that much trust in that particular woman. And only in her.

This is what everybody else calls `female domination'.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 5:21:03 AM

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undergroundsea wrote: I think most people believe in dominant supremacy (treating a person to whom one chooses to submit as one of higher status, or wishing for a greater status in one's relationship) and because of their preference for the sex of a partner as driven by their orientation, they instead see it as gender supremacy.

This is not a helpful use of the term `supremacy'. The usual usage of the term `X supremacy' is for the belief that people who are X are inherently superior to people who are not X, and that superiority comes simply from their status of being X. So, for example, `white supremacy' is the belief that all white people are superior to all non-whites.

So, if you start using phrases like `dominant supremacy', people will assume that you mean that all dominants are inherently superior to all non-dominants, for the sole reason that they are dominant. Being submissive and holding a single dominant person to be superior to oneself is not, in any meaningful sense, `dominant supremacy': it is just submission.

(Note that holding the dominant to be superior is not a condition for submission. I don't believe that Kita is in any way superior or inferior to me as a human being; it's just that we have agreed to be in a relationship of unequal rights for our mutual enjoyment.)

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 6:24:46 AM

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Yea, I don't subscribe to female supremacy theories either. We are all created equal at birth...but equality ends there. What distinguishes people from that point isn't their plumbing, but their character and quality. I submit to my Lady not because she is female...but because she is a fuckin' awesome dominant human being! And cause I love her...

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 7:20:32 AM

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There was a TV series (short-lived) about gender reversal, too, where the men were secretaries, but I don't remember the name of it, and a film about a future Earth had women owning men as slaves. Diana Muldaur owned John Saxon for twenty minutes or so.

Oooh, I remember that one. Lots of fun.

Shame it hasn't be updated. I liked Diana Muldaur's conclusion, too.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 7:24:00 AM

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I submit to my Lady not because she is female...but because she is a fuckin' awesome dominant human being! And cause I love her...

Well said.

I really would like to see a fly-on-the-wall documentary of the day-today life of yours and SthrnCom4t's daily relationship (bedroom and bathroom excluded). I reckon it'd be pretty damned educational.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 8:03:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
My own perspective on the subject is probably (or rather, based on the threads I've read over the years, almost certainly) atypical, but here's how it works for me - when I'm in a relationship, the woman is supreme within that relationship. I obey her; I trust her judgment and her wisdom more than I do mine, I have faith in her leadership... within the parameters of that relationship, the female is supreme. Thus, female supremacy.

Not that atypical at all ThatDamnedPanda for this site at least. You've just expressed my sentiments exactly. I seek an atypical relationship is, and that is what my kink is... Fem dominance in my relationship, or I cannot do it. Outside in the world, I don't care who's doing what to get the job done. I'm not trying to rule the world, because let's face it, that job is hard on God himself, just my home/relationship. M

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 8:12:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: beeble
This is not a helpful use of the term `supremacy'. The usual usage of the term `X supremacy' is for the belief that people who are X are inherently superior to people who are not X, and that superiority comes simply from their status of being X. So, for example, `white supremacy' is the belief that all white people are superior to all non-whites.

The way I define supremacy in my post, I don't assume inherent superiority of the person who is given this supremacy.

You have a point that what I am directing at a dominant of choosing can then be construed to apply to all dominants based on the term alone. Furthermore, without the distinction made between superiority and supremacy, the term supremacy is often seen to suggest superiority. So I see how the term by itself without any explanation would be construed as you describe.

Perhaps partner elevation better conveys what I had in mind.

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 8:15:40 AM

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Dominance - yes. Supremacy - no. I wouldn't get on well in the land of Female Supremacy because equity appeals to me.

I'm a nurturer (closer to the 'loving female authority' side of the street.) I LIKE being the ruling half of an uplifting dynamic but the idea of complete and total repression of the entire male gender is not only unrealistic, it also sounds very UNloving... not to mention uninteresting. Sure, I can be a diva - but then I go back to real life.

I'm agreeing with Maxwell67 in that "women and men are different and those differences should be celebrated."

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RE: FemDom Practicing Fem Supremacy - 2/17/2009 9:59:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I submit to my Lady not because she is female...but because she is a fuckin' awesome dominant human being! And cause I love her...

Well said.

I really would like to see a fly-on-the-wall documentary of the day-today life of yours and SthrnCom4t's daily relationship (bedroom and bathroom excluded). I reckon it'd be pretty damned educational.

I don't know PforH...so much of daily life is just as any vanilla couple - we both have jobs, we shop, cook, watch TV, have dogs, etc... I think what differs from an outside perspective is that she has a fully functional dungeon in her basement (YAYS!

)...when we are alone, I usually wear collar and cuffs...I sleep in collar and cuffs and we have a bit of ritual for putting them on and taking them off...I get up with her in the mornings and iron her work clothes, prepare a bit of breakfast for her, and see her off...I do what I can to help her keep her place up...BDSM and D/s is sort of an underlying dynamic for almost everything we do though...and that is where the internal perspective takes over and for that, there are rarely any words that describe what is actually going on between us - even in mundane vanilla activities of shopping or cleaning or driving....words fail...there is a connection, there is an understanding that she is Dominant and I am submissive...it comes in how she touches me...how she looks at me, and I her...how we interact may seem quite normal, but we are actually flying a very close chase emotionally and spirtually and it can really be amazing...but nothing that a fly might notice.

Sorry about the derail...back to the topic at hand...are girl parts are superior to boy parts? Next on Jerry Springer...

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