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favesclava -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 7:21:26 AM)

i read somewhere that god is not a name is a job description. i'm a pagan . i believe in the Goddess.its what comforts me .



beargonewild -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 7:50:14 AM)

I'd have to say that at this point, I'm drawn towards deities who's nature leans towards being fiery and volatile in nature. More specifically ones who are sedate yet masking an underlying volatile nature. It's that contrast that speaks to my own inner nature!



eponavet -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 8:24:24 AM)

i'm also a believer in the universal consciousness/connection.  It brings me a lot of comfort to know that every civilzation, throughout history, has had some sort of spiritual connection, a sense of being connected to something more than the flesh and bone that make up our physical being.  This common thread, statistically, for me, helps me feel like we are spiritual beings having a physical experience here on earth.  i also believe that the various gods/goddesses are simply cultural attempts to explain the unexplainable.  So - whatever resonates with another person i feel is valid.  For me, it is generally a connection to the feminine aspect of divinity - the pagan path has worked well for me - along with a healthy dose of Buddhist principles/practices.  i wish i was enlightened enough not to need archetypes and rituals and festivals (things i love about my pagan path...) but.....no nirvana for me this time around! [:-]



HotFaerieMama -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 9:39:12 AM)

i have no religion. .and no i'm not atheist i've studied many many religions but none seem to have anything that seems real.. i do believe in karma... and fate..  i just live my life the way i want.. part of this is because my dad was raised pentecostal but quit going after he grew up.. and he's a believer in God but.. then again he dosen't know if he should... mom i dunno she never says .. and dosen't go to church.. so i grew up not going and not beliveing... and its worked pretty well so far 



Rule -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:28:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy
what is the nature of the deity in whom you believe (if you believe in one or a group)?
There is the Divine, which is not in our universe, but which is closer to anything in our universe than anything else in our universe - which itself is a tiny part of the Divine. It takes an interest in all life, even the tiniest - but it does not take sides, unless requested. It merely grants our every wish, if possible - but it takes no sides (positive or negative wishes) in that either. Not to take sides is required for the Divine to make free will possible.
 
Then there are the incarnate gods - the standard pantheon - which are in our universe. I sometimes recognize and know some of their many avatars; undoubtedly I pass many of them on the streets without recognizing them. If I recall correctly, it said on the temple of Apollo: "Know thyself [humanity], and you will understand the gods and the universe".
 
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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy
i ask because i have a very hard time believing in an omniscient, omnipotent, and benevolent deity.
Such words are relative. Their meaning varies according to which god it refers to. The Divine is all of that, but takes no sides, merely granting our desires. So benevolent some times, (apparently) malevolent other times.
 
The incarnate god who is the Creator, is pretty much all of that, but is unlikely to know what anyone had for breakfast, unless he (or she) sat at the same table and was paying attention. Omnipotent? He is likely to often think that his life sucks. Benevolent? Well, lets say he is the good guy.
 
Then there is Satan...
 
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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy
i have trouble believing in an entity of that sort that bestows free-will upon it's people too.
Without free will Creation would be merely an automaton, a toy inable to reciprocate to the Divine, and therefore ultimately boring and without value. It is said in Egyptian mythology that the Creator created the gods and men in order to no longer be alone. That motivation may be extrapolated to the Divine. Imagine that solitude, feel the inherent despair. To be the only thing there is. To be conscious without company for eternity.
 
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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy
i personally believe in a goddess who is more volatile, less forgiving, and most definitely not always right, even though she is watchful and can be very caring of her followers.
Might apply to various incarnate goddesses.
 
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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy
Just as a point of information, i have no problem with atheists either, although that choice also doesn't work for me.
It is an allowed option. Satan is both an atheist and a theist. Nevertheless atheists are as much subject to the way Reality functions as anyone else.



Gwynvyd -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:32:40 PM)

Oooph.... This is a complicated one. My girl Soft of course knows my thoughts on God ~ Whom I call "Father".... but it is hard to put it into words.

I have studied many world religions, and spiritualities... I kind of mush the ones that resonate together and that is what I believe.

The main religions that I follow the most closely are Hinduism, and Buddhism. I wear a necklace of Ganesh, and he takes up most of my altar. As it was said.. he does open and close doors. He has been my remover of Obstacles since I was a young girl. I also am a follower of Quan Yin.

But I see them as gods and goddess' with the little "g".

Then there is "Father" ~ creator of all. I see him as the origionator of everything, and every one of which we are all a piece of. To me, a spark of the divine is within us all. We can chose to connect to it, or to ignore it.

I feel that we were given free will. I also think it is the best gift we could have been given. Guidelines have been given to us, but we have the choice to do as we wish.

This free will of course is a double edged sword. You can make very good choices, and do wonderful things for yourself and others. Or.... you can distroy, and do awful things to yourself and others.

This is quite often unfair to those who do the good in the world. ~ They are often targets of those who would do harm. But it is all part of free will.

This use of our free will determines how we grow, and how much each turn. I think the more we learn the closer we get to becoming one again with Father. This concept is "Gwynvyd" in celtic shamanism.

I think we can all connect to "Father" and have a ( I know it sounds hokey) personal relationship with him. Some will see Father as this or that God or Goddess... but I feel it is the same entity.. and they come to people in what ever form that person is most comfortable with.

I am most comfortable with a "Father" type of God. Much like the Dagda. ( which is where Da, or Dad comes from)

But this is just a quick summary of how I feel.

Too many rapid contractions to finish my thoughts right now. LOL

Gwyn



FullCircle -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:41:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
The main religions that I follow the most closely are Hinduism, and Buddhism. I wear a necklace of Ganesh, and he takes up most of my altar. As it was said.. he does open and close doors. He has been my remover of Obstacles since I was a young girl. I also am a follower of Quan Yin.

The problem with moving obstacles out of your way is that they have to be placed elsewhere, like when you move palettes with a forklift. You just know someone else is going to be annoyed you blocked a fire exit with pallets etc. All objects exist in space somewhere thus these object moved just end up annoying someone else.




beargonewild -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:44:10 PM)

Unless you think of obstacles being problems, thus the problems are solved and no longer exist. 



Gwynvyd -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:49:40 PM)

Very good point. I also think this is an action of Karma.

That cosmic bonker tube hurts like hell. Esp. if you didnt pay attention the first few times. They swing it harder then.

A friend of mine ( my best friend in fact) is like a free roaming agent of karma. The SOB just has something about him that the moment you are around him, or talk to him what ever karma you have built up will be dealt with one day or another.

( Yeah sucks to be me sometimes)

I have to keep my nose clean to hang out with him.. or boy do I feel it.

I *know* I have been working through lots of bad karma I built up in my hellish nightmare of an ex relationship here lately. At least most of it, if not all is being dealt with before the baby comes.

*ugh*

Gwyn



FullCircle -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 2:50:49 PM)

Then it isn't an accurate metaphor and Ganesh would be better off with several high paid executives doing problem solving exercises in the form of flowcharts rather than several hands.



beargonewild -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 3:01:20 PM)

*grinz*  Probably not though it was in a form which made sense to my way of thinking. My knowledge and understanding about Ganesh and the ethos is lacking. My primary deity leans towards Belenus and  Diana



kiwisub12 -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (2/27/2009 3:11:29 PM)

I don't believe in organised religion - but i do believe in a creator. My creator is sexless - or all sexs and then some. I find that humans limit their concept of god - who are we to say that we know the will of god/dess? To have an infinite deity that has finite limits?  Its kind of like saying our god is like our father - and would keep us out of his kingdom if we pissed him off..
I'm not a god - but if one of my kids did something awful - i wouldn't stop loving them - but supposidly this is what god does. Yes, there would be consequences - but total banishment for all eternity? What sick individual thought this one up?

I don't limit my deity - and if she does things i don't understand, then i assume that the bigger plan is in action. The way i think of our interactions is kind of at the level between a cat and a human. Some things the cat understands - like the sound of a can opener, or the affection behind a pat, and some things the cat can't comprehend - like reading, or using a telephone, or even a can opener.  If the cat thought about these things at all, it would consider them a divine mystery, and pay no  more attention - because in the end, the cat isn't equiped to understand them. It just doesn't have the equipment to  understand them.

Any way, i think there is a level of affection for humans, but we aren't the center of the deitys attention  - even supposing that the deity can only think about one thing at a time - which really is an arrogant assumption!  Talk about limiting god!



Aneirin -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (3/6/2009 7:56:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gwynssoftandshy

Just out of curiosity, what is the nature of the deity in whom you believe (if you believe in one or a group)?  i ask because i have a very hard time believing in an omniscient, omnipotent, and benevolent deity.  i have trouble believing in an entity of that sort that bestows free-will upon it's people too.  This question has always been a problem for me, probably due to some roughness in my own background.  i personally believe in a goddess who is more volatile, less forgiving, and most definitely not always right, even though she is watchful and can be very caring of her followers.  Beyond this, i think that the path we follow is fated, even when the method by which we follow that path isn't. 

Just as a point of information, i have no problem with atheists either, although that choice also doesn't work for me.  You are welcome to respond why you don't believe in a deity if you feel you would like to share.

i don't know how to do the whole poll thing so it'll have to be regular written answers if you choose to participate.  Sorry.



Of  gods and goddesses, god, the god , the one and only true god, I believe they are aspects of ourselves, or at least in some cases our higher selves, what we can be if we concentrated on being the best we can be to ourselves, others and our enviroment.

Of the myriad pagan gods and goddesses, they all have attributes, what they represent, often it is they are known for the external, not the internal, the self, as if it is the deity is apart from us, something to be reverred, worshipped, something we ourselves cannot be because we believe we do not posess god like qualities, something I feel is wrong..

My understanding in the god, goddess thing, is that they represent all of us, all of our male and female qualities, we all have them, so the better of the deities we should aspire too, because they represent us.

Now, a god only as one polarity, that of male, I cannot accept as masculine, is not the balance of nature, it takes both male and female to balance.

Maybe, could be why mono polarity belief wanes, cutting out the representation of one gender alienates, the feeling may be, if a something does not represent a gender, why believe in it.

Now, I roughly follow a goddess, purely because of in a time of extreme distress, she made herself known to me. Now her attributes as far as humankind has made us aware direct thought to the darker sides of our nature, the hidden, the private. My understanding of the attributes is that we have to be true to ourselves to become something better, perhaps our best. I am working on that.

But as I believe in and roughly follow a specific goddess, I am of the understanding that this deity is not the complete picture, but part of as it applies to myself. therefore I am free to wander through belief systems that interest me in search of my truth, as it is I believe the universal truth as it applies to all, is scattered amongst the beliefs and it is for us to find and take that truth as a means to understanding ourselves.







lronitulstahp -> RE: What kind of god/dess? (3/6/2009 8:00:10 PM)

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