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Jasmyn -> RE: At best, I kinda get something (1/24/2006 8:39:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

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You're welcome to ask here or in private that what you need explained. :)

sissy Has to admit that his reaction to Your post was pretty much the same as cloudboy's, Ma'am. [:D] sissy Read it three or four times before he said to himself, "Well, i think i kinda understand what Her drift is here."

And then when sissy saw veronica's reply he simply assumed that You must have emailed her and asked her to post that ... it was the only logical explanation !! <giggles>

sissy maid lola


[image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]



lol bad sissy ;) but alas no, veronica's comprehension was spot on, hence the kudos bestowed :)

It pays to keep in mind that that particular post was in direct response to Petruchio discussing a well known domme, local to him, in which he states,

"[and] we concluded that she at least [does not] view male subs as being fully male, or, alternatively, males as being fully submissive."

However if we all look back to submission is not a weakness class 101 ... submission in the manner of d/s is not a weakness...yet many people do hold the belief submission in males is a state of being a lessor male; including a great deal of fem dom women.

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The view submissive men are somehow less male is often used to justify the existence of male submission when faced with the reality male submissives do exist. But only by being something deviating from the male norm, thereby not undermining the masculine alpha male status quo of dominance. Unfortunately however completely ignoring the reality many men are submissive and in every respect 'male'.


Is it making some sense now? Or am I going to have to get out a chalkboard and ruler and hold you both back after school? ;)





veronicaofML -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/24/2006 8:48:01 PM)

RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink - 1/24/2006 6:30:22 PM


Sensualips
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nor do I really like "girlie-girls." I'm way too much guy for them, way not into fashion, appearances, trends, and extroverted bubble talk

Cloudboy slightly annoyed me with the first few posts I read. (No offense - lots of people annoy me. It my issue.) Then he grew on me as he is intelligent, always an interesting read and makes some valid points. But come now. Way too much guy?
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yes............way too much guy!

my 3 wives couldnt handle a dude as macho as i am.
they wanted those wimpy wuss guys.
those pretty boys.
they werent woman enough to handle a grown macho male.
i have had..several women tell me the same thing.!
no one likes us john wayne types anymore.
i am alpha with a capitol A..........99% vanilla.






Petruchio -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/24/2006 9:30:36 PM)

Time to close out this thread…

It's giving me a headache.

[&o]




MistressOfGa -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/24/2006 10:18:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?


That's right, no sisters growing up, only brothers. Went to all boys schools. Raised Catholic. In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine) is totally alien to me. Its not a macho claim, but as I guy, well they don't like me much and I don't get them. I don't see that ever changing.


One thing I will never be accused of is being too girly-girl.




Jasmyn -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/24/2006 10:43:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?


That's right, no sisters growing up, only brothers. Went to all boys schools. Raised Catholic. In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine) is totally alien to me. Its not a macho claim, but as I guy, well they don't like me much and I don't get them. I don't see that ever changing.



lol maybe that's my gig...too much guy ;) 9 older brothers here




cloudboy -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/25/2006 7:40:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

lol maybe that's my gig...too much guy ;) 9 older brothers here


HOLY SHIT!!!!!! You're a gonner.

NINE BROTHERS!!

That must have been some household.




cloudboy -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/25/2006 7:42:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

One thing I will never be accused of is being too girly-girl.



That's a good thing.




veronicaofML -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/25/2006 9:20:46 AM)

One thing I will never be accused of is being too girly-girl.
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i dunno. that pic with that...all too female look...hand under the chin thing going on?
i dunno.
looks pretty girlie to me.
but then i love that--look...so enticing..
like when i see a gal standing there, with her hands together, infront of her...elbows relaxed at her hips, ...
SO girlie...
not like ya had one of those,...hands on the hips and glaring down,...daring someone..
but? hell even THAT is enticing..
it is very fifficult for ANY female NOT to look too girlie..
the female body posisitons...is just plain..enticing..
standing sitting...walking..
just something about the way a woman moves...period..
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

just makes me melt like butter.
don't EVEN start me on high heels in an empty hallway...clicking..

i am sorry.

i do not know how a woman can NOT look ..girlie.

gawd i still love that glasses and a long hair.......
yummmmmmmmmm

think i need a COLD shower.




MHOO314 -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/25/2006 9:34:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

[But come now. Way too much guy?


you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term, not mine)


OK I had My response almost all done and I crashed, CRAP! so here I go again--this thread has been all over the place, I hope My responses make sense---

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In sum, you women already represent another species, and the sub species within you, otherwise known as girlie-girls (my wife's term,


YOU WOMEN?? wth is that?? LMAO--now given that quick rant--girlie girl is a subjective term that varies from person to person and should not be "generalized"--girlie girl to My unmentionable is a prep who twirls her hair--to Me, I am a girlie girl--( and I didn't know I had a sub species! LMAO---)I love being a woman, My scent, My femininty, My capabilites--but I am Dominant--so because I am Dominant does not mean I lose My feminity or My girlie girl style--

Now given that..

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1) Is femininity DERIVED from masculinity, i.e. in complementary opposition to it? (The vagina is soft and supple the penis is hard and stiff.) If yes, its no wonder feminine women reject CDs. It screws up up the calculus.


I believe it is a ying and yang that exists with in all single human beings--society has mandated though that the more brawny of the race--bury its ability to access the feminine side and the reverse for the perceived "softer sex" --I don't think the rejection of CD's has anything to do with feminine or not--I think it has to do more with the kink wiring--I for one love CD's, but personally I am more driven for My needs toward one has the feminine need from the emotional aspect--that is not to say if he introduced that as a need I would walk away but it is not My desire to "dramatically" force fem-(smiles that will have some scratching heads)

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2) Is femininity self generated/created as you say? If so, then the feminine exists without any foils or opposites, its a stand alone creation. In this model, the feminine calculus is wide open, arbitrary if you will. In this domain one chooses what is feminine ----- and the presentation of CDs here are much easier --- for nature is never defied and order is not violated because everything is a matter of choice.


It is a side that exists in all of us just as the masculine side--if it did not, we would not have the variations on the gender orientation themes we do--for the drive is inside not outside. If it was self created then there would not exist both sets of hormones in every human--so I think we may be mixing terms feminine versus girlie girl---and the propensity toward it--


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I'm not sure women in category (1) fear, thwart or challenge "the notion [that] a dominant woman should define her femininity for herself (as opposed to derviving it from the masculinity of males) is smyptomatic of that woman's fear having power herself." No, a woman in category (1) just conforms to the world as she knows it. Anything else would be a falsehodd for her, an artificiality. In my opinion, most F's are type (1)s.


IMHO, women outside the life are clueless and fearful of their ability--for it will destroy their perception of the "Cinderella complex"--"if I am too strong, I will be alone and not have the prince and the palace"--the perception of the femininty must be reinforced by the man--I personally am feminine with or without a man, I have power with or without, its just more fun with---




sissymaidlola -> RE: bad sissy (1/25/2006 10:56:43 PM)

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lol bad sissy ;) but alas no, veronica's comprehension was spot on, hence the kudos bestowed :)

It pays to keep in mind that that particular post was in direct response to Petruchio discussing a well known domme, local to him, in which he states,

"[and] we concluded that she at least [does not] view male subs as being fully male, or, alternatively, males as being fully submissive."

However if we all look back to submission is not a weakness class 101 ... submission in the manner of d/s is not a weakness...yet many people do hold the belief submission in males is a state of being a lessor male; including a great deal of fem dom women.

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The view submissive men are somehow less male is often used to justify the existence of male submission when faced with the reality male submissives do exist. But only by being something deviating from the male norm, thereby not undermining the masculine alpha male status quo of dominance. Unfortunately however completely ignoring the reality many men are submissive and in every respect 'male'.

Ha ha, Mistress Jasmyn, You've been "pinked" by sissy, Ma'am! <curtsey> What kind of Dominatrix are You anyway that allows a little wussy sissy maid to control the color of Your font from halfways around the world ??? Oh, da powa, da powa ... [:D] However, please note, Ma'am, that sissy has "unpinked" You and restored Your dignity for this post. But if it happens again, Ma'am, then next time You're on Your own ... [sm=lol.gif]

So to get down to brass tacks (sissy always likes to have some of those in his toy bag, Ma'am, one never knows when they will come in handy in a session! [;)]) sissy understood the paragraph that You just quoted perfectly well, Ma'am ... it was all the other text that You put around it that made the whole thing a little turgid and somewhat hard to follow. <giggles> Where You lost sissy was in talking about the "sissification of women"! WTF is that all about? As sissy tried to point out in his initial post, the concept of "sissy" is a deep subconscious fear related to emasculation that almost ALL males possess. Particularly "macho males" ... that's why they put so much effort into posturing and being macho! They hope to deflect any suspicions of their insecurities elsewhere.

For sissy, Ernest Hemingway was an archetypal "macho" male - one could claim that he almost invented the term if the rest of history prior to him wasn't so littered with the deeds of other "macho men" driven to disguise their own insecurities as well. "Look at me, I'm shooting elephants and tigers, aren't I brave?" NOOO, not unless the elephants and tigers are allowed to shoot back at you, you're not. [:(] "Look at me, I'm fishing for marlin ... what cojhones I must have?" NOOO, not unless you get off the boat and into the water and tackle the fish on their own terms! [;)] Well, you get the idea, Ma'am ...

For some men, such as Hemingway, "sissydom" is a driving force to their lives, for others it's a dormant fear that they've moved beyond in their lives (but the old fear still lurks buried in the depths of their subconscious), and for yet others it's a daily living nightmare. The latter would include genuinely effeminate males that come within close enough range of matching the "sissy" ideal. But the term "sissy" almost universally connotes the concept "weak or inadequate male" ... of which "man in a dress" is just one extreme interpretation, but a very common one, nevertheless. So when sissy hears the expression "sissification of women" it conjures up images of You masculating (oh Geez, sissy never knew that "masculate" was even a word until he started reading this damn thread, and even now he suspects that someone else posting here went and modified the Dictionary.com web pages just before sissy got there ... the word is "masculinize" NOT "masculate" for chrissakes! ... sissy could not find "masculate" in either his OED or Websters ... as far as sissy can tell, "masculate" means to chew your food in a macho manner! ... now where was lola? ... oh yes) it conjures up images of You masculinizing the bodies of females, putting them in frou-frou frocks, giving them a bad makeup job, and then telling them to act like guys trying to act like girls .... [sm=lol.gif] ROTFLsAO

sissy Is guessing that what You actually meant by that term is what LA had posted about in the post that sissy's OP was a response to ... viz. the over exaggeration of their femininity by females. But "sissification" is not a good term for that, IsHO. It's "failed or inadequate male" ramifications are too well entrenched. Just as not being male is NOT the same as being female, being a failed or feminized male is NOT the same as being overly feminine. So that term, plus some lack of punctuation [:)], is what caused sissy to have to reread Your post a number of times, Ma'am, not the bit You just quoted - and to be fair to veronica (why not, sissy is feeling in a generous mood here!) what she also singled out before appending the kudos to it. Hmm, "appending kudos" might possibly be a new kink! <giggles>

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Is it making some sense now? Or am I going to have to get out a chalkboard and ruler and hold you both back after school? ;)

Actually, Ma'am, sissy thinks it is tasha_tart that You need to keep behind after school. Her English comprehension needs a little work, don't You think, Ma'am? All three points that she made were completely wrong ... sissy never said any of those things. [:(] Plus she even got sissy's gender wrong. Zero for four! BONG! Thank you for playing, tasha. <giggles>

But if sissy does have to stay late after school with the others, can he please, please be Your chalk monitor, Ma'am? That would make the whole experience sooo special for him, Ma'am. <curtsey>

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola


[image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]




cloudboy -> RE: A Veritable Smorgasbord of Kink (1/26/2006 7:37:35 AM)



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YOU WOMEN?? wth is that?? LMAO--now given that quick rant--girlie girl is a subjective term that varies from person to person and should not be "generalized"--girlie girl to My unmentionable is a prep who twirls her hair--to Me, I am a girlie girl--( and I didn't know I had a sub species! LMAO---)I love being a woman, My scent, My femininty, My capabilites--but I am Dominant--so because I am Dominant does not mean I lose My feminity or My girlie girl style--


Actually, I picked up on this when you wrote about prefering chains to rope, for reasons related to your girlie-girlness. Although this gives you the form of a girlie-girl (yes, I know this is a subjective term) you don't think like one, namely because you think independently. Not only that, you HOME SCHOOL your unmentionable --- which is almost purely gonaddy, and such a thing has never been rec'd by COSMO.

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I don't think the rejection of CD's has anything to do with feminine or not--I think it has to do more with the kink wiring--


I'm glad to see we think alike. Its almost prima facia evidence that WE'RE RIGHT!!




cloudboy -> RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? (1/26/2006 7:42:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I'm not interested in crossdressing at all, I find him sexier naked personally but I do enjoy using a strapon on my guy.

~Alexa


Do you feel masculine using it? Is that the attraction?




MHOO314 -> RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? (1/26/2006 8:34:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I'm not interested in crossdressing at all, I find him sexier naked personally but I do enjoy using a strapon on my guy.

~Alexa


Do you feel masculine using it? Is that the attraction?



IMHO I adore him naked, with no more than a thong, something about the butt and the view---hot hot hot especially if he has long legs and a great butt--(she swoons for a moment)

as for the strapon--I use it because I love it--love anal sex from both "views" but it represents to Me the position of power---I am the Dominant animal, I am the one taking--I am the one breaking his societal walls---and I know how to touch "inner buttons" ---smiles-- do I feel masculine, hell no, I feel WOMAN roaring! a Total Woman in charge, Dominant, powerful!


edited because the nails are causing typos!





sissymaidlola -> RE: the "sissification of women" (1/26/2006 12:42:06 PM)

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Where You lost sissy was in talking about the "sissification of women"!

In re-reading this thread today sissy now realizes that the totally bogus concept of the "sissification of women" also originally came from Petruchio's post. Of course, that doesn't invalidate anything that sissy wrote in his last post ... he just wanted to let You know, Ma'am, that he is fully aware that it wasn't You that invented that oxymoron.

Normally, sissy would just have edited his previous post to make that correction, but the sages at CollarMe have really phucked up that feature in their infinite wisdom. [:(] One used to be able to edit one's own posts many times over and up to weeks after they had been initially posted. That was a GOOD THING, IsHO. [;)] As far as sissy can determine, CollarMe now seems to have regressed the system such that only one or two edits are permitted, and then only if they are done within 10-15 minutes of the post being made. IsHO, that's a bad, bad, bad move ... [:(]

Since most flame wars on message boards occur because others misinterpret the intent of the author, not allowing folk to fix their own problems once they re-read their posts - or the possible alternative interpretation of those posts is pointed out to them by others - significantly increases the chances that flaming will occur. But hey, flame wars create more traffic on the boards and the need for more moderators to moderate it ... and that can also be interpreted (spun) as being an increase in the popularity of the site! sissy Can only surmise that that perverted mindset is what motivated CollarMe to implement the obvious regression of this feature. <sighs and rolls his eyes>

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola


[image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]




Petruchio -> RE: the "sissification of women" (1/26/2006 12:56:43 PM)

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In re-reading this thread today sissy now realizes that the totally bogus concept of the "sissification of women" also originally came from Petruchio's post.


Huh? Your assignment for today is to re-read the thread once again.




sissymaidlola -> RE: It's giving me a headache (1/26/2006 1:01:27 PM)

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Time to close out this thread…

It's giving me a headache.

It's probably just the wrong time of the month for you, Petruchio. sissy Suggests that you take a couple of Xanax and go lie down in bed with a heating pad on your dick. You'll feel fine again in the morning, sweetie. [;)]

sissy maid lola


[image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]




sissymaidlola -> RE: Such posturing ... (1/26/2006 1:32:20 PM)

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Huh? Your assignment for today is to re-read the thread once again.

sissy Doesn't need to re-read the thread again, Petruchio, he only needs to quote your own text back at you:

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She revealed she likes to sissify male subs as well as females.

You are indeed the person that introduced the concept of a Domme sissifying female subs as well as male subs to this sub-thread that Mistress Jasmyn felt a need to address in Her own post. sissy Didn't say that the idea is a core belief of your own - you, too, may feel the concept to be totally oxymoronic - he ONLY stated that the concept of the "sissification of women" (as discussed in this sub-thread) was introduced in YOUR post.

Do you deny that, Petruchio?

YOUR assignment for today is to learn how to take responsibility for your own actions. [;)]

sissy maid lola


[image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]




MistressOfGa -> RE: Such posturing ... (1/26/2006 4:13:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

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Huh? Your assignment for today is to re-read the thread once again.

sissy Doesn't need to re-read the thread again, Petruchio, he only needs to quote your own text back at you:

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She revealed she likes to sissify male subs as well as females.

You are indeed the person that introduced the concept of a Domme sissifying female subs as well as male subs to this sub-thread that Mistress Jasmyn felt a need to address in Her own post. sissy Didn't say that the idea is a core belief of your own - you, too, may feel the concept to be totally oxymoronic - he ONLY stated that the concept of the "sissification of women" (as discussed in this sub-thread) was introduced in YOUR post.

Do you deny that, Petruchio?

YOUR assignment for today is to learn how to take responsibility for your own actions. [;)]

sissy maid lola




LMFAO!!!




Lordandmaster -> RE: Why SO much sissy/fem male subs??? (1/26/2006 4:28:01 PM)

Know anything about prison sex? The penetrator is the "male," and the penetrated is the "bitch." The bitch is often forced to dress like a woman, wear make-up, etc. To most outsiders, the two are equally involved in a homosexual relationship, but within the prison world, only the penetrated partner loses any gender status.

It's because most human societies associate masculinity with strength and dominance, and femininity with weakness and submission. That's not true across the board, of course, but it still should not be very surprising that a great number of male subs want to be forced to endure some form of gender humiliation. The great cuckolding wave is related to this, too. The male is supposed to be able to impose his exclusive right of access to his female partner; if he's less than fully male, he doesn't have the power to keep her exclusively for himself.

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ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

My question is in regards to why there is such an overwhelming amount of male submissives/slaves into gender-bending. It seems that about 98 out of 100 male subs that message Me end up wanting forced-femme, sissification, strapon play, forced-bi, wearing panties, or some other type of gender bending. Is there a reason for this?





Jasmyn -> RE: bad sissy (1/26/2006 8:46:53 PM)

In defense your honour ;) addressing 'sissification of women' was in response to Petruchio stating the domme in question sissified men and women. I pointed out that as an alpha sub switch (lol christ) being able to sissify women, making them 'less than women (or not fully women) fits with the same reasoning empolyed in reverse, that she uses to justify male submissives been less than male, not fully men.

If you consider 'sissification' and how it differs from say forced feminsation dress me like a slut kind of stuff, to me, sissifying someone is a touch more innocent (if that makes sense). Sticking them in pretty frilly bonnets with bows and frou frou dresses and mary janes and such as opposed to suspenders and stockings.

I quite like dressing a little vixen who is use to short cfm dresses and boots being put in dress of lace and frills, high knecks and knee high socks with a pretty pink lace trim or the masculine girl who resfuses to wear a dress or take off her doc martens being forced to wear a pretty pink dress.

Sissifying someone, to me anyway, is removing sexuality, a return to innocence. A position of weakness...humility, humbling and humiliating.




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