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SteelofUtah -> ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 9:33:43 AM)


It is easy to state that the foundation of a D/s relationship is the Trust and the Experience and the Genuine care that is put into it. I agree because those are the Bulk of what the relationship is based on, but what about the Nuts and Bolts that hold that relationship together. The Kinks that you share, the interests you have together, and the spark you feel for one another.

I see people judge one another on this site all the time. I see people judge those who they do not know as being nothing more than users and wankers, and at times I completely disagree. Sure they may be users and wankers but it takes two to make a relationship and no matter how small the BULK of a relationship can be with enough Nuts and Bolts you can make anything work.

I think the main factor is the Maintenance involved in keeping all the nuts and bolts tightened. Those who have a very solid foundation in which their relationship was created may appear "Perfect" to the outside eye, this can be for a few reasons, either the maintenance needed to keep them together is so simple or it is never seen when done. However those who have less bulk to their foundation may still have a fruitful relationship, I simply believe they will need to spend more time tending to those nuts and bolts.

I don’t believe any lasting relationship can be had without some form of maintenance and at times those nuts and bolts are the only think keeping a foundation together. What is your opinion on this matter and what are some of your nuts and bolts what are those things that aren’t necessary per say but you know you are usually more content when they are?

Steel




DesFIP -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 9:49:16 AM)

There's also a point where you decide it isn't worth having to spend so much time repairing it daily, that it just takes more out of you than you are getting back from it. Like an old car, sometimes it just isn't worth repairing.

If you don't have enough compatibility, enough commonality, enough genuine like and respect of each other as people, then it isn't worth spending all that time on it, IMO.

The more stuff works right without needing to constantly be fine tuned, the easier the relationship is. Relationships should support us, make life better for us. If they don't, that's when you have to decide if there's anything left or you're just flogging a dead horse.




chamberqueen -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 11:49:49 AM)

Keeping in contact on a regular basis is part of the maintenance that means the most to a submissive.  I talk with a lot of slaves, and the single biggest heartache seems to come when emails slip from daily to further apart, to once in a while.  While the sessions may still be great it is the idea that there is proof that their partner is thinking of them may start to be lacking.

Subs can also start to take their Doms for granted.  "Thank you" is a wonderful phrase which can start to die down as two people get to know each other better. 





allthatjaz -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 11:51:18 AM)

I don't think its about repairing but more about understanding and of course your only going to do that if you have that deep connection with your partner.
I look at Stephen and everything about him is perfect. Stephen looks at me and everything about me is perfect. That is pretty incredible in itself. My mum would call it a 'match made in heaven'!
We have lots of nuts and bolts and we work constantly at oiling them, tightening and tending to them and we do so because our emotions/love for one another are absolutely equal.
This may sound stupid but the perfect love he has given me has made me vulnerable because now more than any time in my life, I fear loss. Stephen understands that and he works tightening those nuts and bolts constantly.
Steve also fears loss because he knows and understands just how intense this is. I once said to him 'this day is so perfect but I never want a tomorrow that is not as perfect as this one'. He fears I will walk away because of those words and so I continually work on those nuts and bolts to alleviate his fears. I would never find that hard work because I have found my life investment as has he.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 12:01:02 PM)

It's something of an obvious point one hopes.  Relationships are living dynamics.  Nothing can survive without attention and care.  And if you skip steps, life WILL force you to go through them together at some point anyway.

There's a comfortable astounding intimacy you get when you can be thrilled just to be boring together. 




feydeplume -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 12:01:51 PM)

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StormsSlave -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 12:36:20 PM)

Nuts and bolts?  I thought this was supposed to be about whips and chains.[:D]

My Lord and I are remarkably compatible, and find it not much work to be together.  The majority of the time we are a well-oiled machine.  Because of this, when we do require more than just routine maintenance, it definitely becomes work.  It requires conscientious effort for us to look past our emotions on the matter and find the broken bit to fix it.   We keep relearning that we are better at everything when we are doing it together.

I've been in relationships that were nothing but work, day in and day out.  I ultimately decided that if I had to work this hard, it wasn't meant to be.

We are blessed to have found one another.  There have certainly been worse places to be.




agirl -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 12:57:12 PM)

I suppose that one of the major bolts is *consistant interest* where I'm concerned.

I am in agreement that taking care of what you have makes jolly good sense if you want to keep it in good shape. You don't have to slog over it the whole time but doing zilch won't give you the same *animal*.

agirl








LaTigresse -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 1:56:08 PM)

I've found that the more work is involved, the lower the odds of it lasting.

However........I may do things that I don't even think about that others consider work/nuts and bolts. Things like communicating, letting people know how much they mean to you. Those things are constant and not at all work.




kiwisub12 -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 2:42:54 PM)

The oil that lubes (hehe - i said "lube") our relationship is touch.  We touch often - when i am passing him in the living room, when we are sitting on the couch, when i am cooking in the kitchen. I read somewhere that touch enables a chemical that keeps us in love - and while i don't think love is mainly chemical, there is a definite component.

Touch tells us that we love each other, that we like each others body, and admire who and what we are. When Sir beats me, he is non-verbally affirming his desire for my pain - and when i submit, i am affirming my submission and love for him.

I was in a relationship - a marriage - where we literally didn't touch each other from one day to the next - a very barren and sterile relationship it was too, but in the beginning we cuddled and hugged and kissed - and gradually got out of the habit. As the touch left our lives, so did the fun and affection and love. So ......   never again!




LaTigresse -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 2:50:18 PM)

My whole family has always been big on touch. I cannot have a relationship without it. It's one of the main reasons I cannot even fathom the idea of an internet relationship beyond friendship of sorts.




SirJ40 -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 3:50:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It's something of an obvious point one hopes.  Relationships are living dynamics.  Nothing can survive without attention and care.  And if you skip steps, life WILL force you to go through them together at some point anyway.

There's a comfortable astounding intimacy you get when you can be thrilled just to be boring together. 


Three cheers for a relationship that is so enjoyable, "doing nothing" is still "being together".. talking, relaxing, enjoying everything you do or don't due simply because you enjoy the company you're keeping.
That's why I'm getting married... she's the most fun I've ever had doing nothing, or very little.. as well as the perfect s to My D.




catize -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 4:04:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I've found that the more work is involved, the lower the odds of it lasting.
However........I may do things that I don't even think about that others consider work/nuts and bolts. Things like communicating, letting people know how much they mean to you. Those things are constant and not at all work.


I like this.  It’s attending to the relationship without the need to focus on it over much! 




kallisto -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 7:19:01 PM)

Maintenance in a good relationship should be just like breathing .. automatic.  When you're gasping for air, then it's become too much work.   Everyone has said things that are very important, routine maintenace in a relationship to me.  Touching, kissing, enjoying being with your partner doing nothing or doing something crazy for the first time.  If one is worrying constantly about whether something is right or if they've done something wrong, then something may very well be wrong.    Taking time out for just yall is a very important step in  tightening the nuts and bolts.   Whether it's a few hours or a few days away from family, friends, work and life in general.     




Vendaval -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 7:59:07 PM)

Communication, honesty and quality time together.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
I don’t believe any lasting relationship can be had without some form of maintenance and at times those nuts and bolts are the only think keeping a foundation together. What is your opinion on this matter and what are some of your nuts and bolts what are those things that aren’t necessary per say but you know you are usually more content when they are?

Steel




MasterLark -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/27/2009 8:17:46 PM)



Communication. Yes, we all know that, all say we do that, but good intimate, sometimes painful communication is very very hard to sustain. And sometimes the best communication is silence, taking in each other's presence -- something men tend to seem to value more than many women. Words matter, all the time. It takes alot of work to find the better word, to finally express what you're really trying to say, to use authentic words that are your own from the deepest places inside. And finally, laughter and humor are elements of communication.

Them's my nuts and bolts...screw that into your brain or get screwed by not doing so.




apple2 -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/28/2009 12:45:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah


It is easy to state that the foundation of a D/s relationship is the Trust and the Experience and the Genuine care that is put into it. I agree because those are the Bulk of what the relationship is based on, but what about the Nuts and Bolts that hold that relationship together. The Kinks that you share, the interests you have together, and the spark you feel for one another.
(clipped for brevity)

Steel



Hi Steel.  

Well our house and our relationship have maintenance that needs to be done. Not a whole lot of maintenance to be honest. But there are times. Essentially we have a long term friendship at the core of our relationship. So we knew a great deal about each other before we became involved. We've never really had any surprises surface about one another.

The "Nuts and Bolts" as you put it are probably along the lines of honesty (communication to the point of information overload), service to the relationship, sensitivity, and support. It also helps that we *like* each other a great deal. When nothing else is clicking, we've never stopped liking each other. And we tighten the bolts from there.

Initially in our relationship we were a Master/slave couple. And over time we've evolved into more of a Dominant/submissive-switch relationship- and that actually was "tightening the bolts" for us. The 24/7 D/s style of relationship didn't suit the types of intimacy we needed and actually created roadblocks for both of us. It essentially roadblocked our friendship because we were so caught up in protocol and traditions/rituals that Starbucks and a movie didn't occur to us. Since our relationship wasn't founded on the need to "Dominate or serve" exclusively- we had to add other components to meet the needs of the other areas of our relationship. The result was a relationship with very little micromanagement, a great deal more intimacy, and we still retained power exchange- without the cost of restrictive roles.

So our relationship these days is probably more "tribal"- we have a chief, and we have Indian(s). We remain flexible enough to know that our needs change over time, and from the standpoint of poly, so would our prospective partner's needs change.


One of the things we think we did right (for us), is that we entered this relationship actually to actually be with each other. There were not really any conditions other than a desire to be with each other. There was no form of "equity", no need for negotiation, and very few deal breakers (which BTW set a very high standard for what "deal breakers would be").

So I think that yes, the nuts and bolts have to be tightened from time to time. But how much you do that and how drastically you can do that with relationship survival are directly related to what the relationship was built on in the first place- and how well those conditions are accepted by the parties involved.

And on the flip side....

We are not perfect, we might be perfect for each other. We'll know if that is true if one of us buries the other in old age. But I think it's also important to recognize that our path is not the same path that everyone should take. In our discussions we have often cringed and moaned at what we've seen others do with the foundation and maintenance of their relationships- but that reaction isn't judgment.... just an assessment that their path wouldn't work for us.

The biggest tool we have which tightens the nuts and bolts, is the realization that "dogma", in any form, is the most destructive force introduced into the alt-lifestyle community. It destroys relationships. Howling rants at events, munches, or on message boards with messages that include "A real dom does this".... "he/she isn't a real slave"... "you need to find a REAL Master".... "male dominance is misogyny"... "female dominance is man hating".... "that's not poly".... all of these are destructive ideas.And it gets very destructive when this "dogma as a knife" begins being used as a weapon of self righteousness.


We think a better idea (which works on our own nuts and bolts) is to find out *how* to make the relationship work- and then shutup- and have the relationship. It's pragmatic rather than dogmatic. Judgments and platitudes are interesting and make for great reading. But we are supposed to be having relationships right? Given that fact the only standard that needs to be applied is whether that relationship is functional and not destructive to the parties involved.

So it's good to tighten the nuts and bolts, but it's also important which tool you use to do it. Flexibility, rather than Dogma, is our tool of choice.

Your mileage may very... offer not valid in all states (of being).

M&R




chezzy71 -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/28/2009 3:16:13 AM)

I can honestly say Mistress Cat's positivity is what keeps our ball rollingWe are in a LDR for the time being and we both work hard at it.The kink part of it will always be there until we can't do it anymore..so i don't worry about that and quite fraankly there is no reason to.




dreamysubmale -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/28/2009 5:09:06 AM)

 
We should never take love for granted. It is a constant hard work to maintain a long lasting healthy relationship, and it takes patience, good communication and lots of willpower.




KnightofMists -> RE: ~~Nuts & Bolts~~ (2/28/2009 8:12:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I've found that the more work is involved, the lower the odds of it lasting.

However........I may do things that I don't even think about that others consider work/nuts and bolts. Things like communicating, letting people know how much they mean to you. Those things are constant and not at all work.



I agree with this..  I find if one is focused on doing maintenence.... then I have to wonder what it is that caused one to have to focus on doing maitnenance.  I am definitiely focused on enhancing and growing our life in this family.  Daily life in of itself provides that maintenence without consideration or conscious effort.  Communicating and expressing my affection to my girls is not about focusing on maintenance... it's about continuing to be who I am and enjoy life.

I been with alandra a rather long time... It has never been an effort to be were we are at... the effort has always been to improve our relationship.  But that effort is enjoyed and well spent.   It is not any different with Kyra.   I would say.. if you have to work and maintaining the relationship.. it is less likely to last in the long-term.  Because the time you get to improving the relationship.. you will have less energy to put into the effort.




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