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Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/12/2009 7:14:17 AM   
Dastan


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Status: offline 		Hello. A lady friend of mine, whov isits my country often,a  nice human being and Domme, and also an extreme Sadist who loves to give the most pain but hates to inflict any damage that last a night, has asked me to teach her pressure point techniques. These techniques can be painful, and with 2 fingers squeezing the right part, or just one pressing on the right spot, you can make a grown man gry as if a small needle pinched his testicles and he did not like or tolerate cbt.

Has anyone here ever had someone who uses such techniques or who is able to use her own hands to create pain so deeply using some sensitive spots of the body, pressing nerves or such ?


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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/12/2009 7:21:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes on both counts.  It is not something new.  It is commonly used in various forms of martial arts.  I will say that I greatly enjoyed receiving this.  I think a big part of it was the fact that it was very hands on and intimate along with being sustained without disturbance and even the potential to deepen the pain with just a small change of pressure, angle, or position.  It left no marks at all, but a big impression on me and is something I want to learn more about and incorporate into my own sadistic adventures.  It is often overlooked, but it is a very special way of inducing pain in my mind that has a lot of merit.

If you would like to talk about it more, my inbox is open.

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/12/2009 10:16:29 AM   
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Hello. A lady friend of mine, whov isits my country often,a  nice human being and Domme, and also an extreme Sadist who loves to give the most pain but hates to inflict any damage that last a night, has asked me to teach her pressure point techniques. These techniques can be painful, and with 2 fingers squeezing the right part, or just one pressing on the right spot, you can make a grown man gry as if a small needle pinched his testicles and he did not like or tolerate cbt.

Has anyone here ever had someone who uses such techniques or who is able to use her own hands to create pain so deeply using some sensitive spots of the body, pressing nerves or such ?



My massage therapist uses deep tissue techniques. I have to tell her to ease up on pressure/trigger points each time I see her.  I tell her I am NOT a masochist.
 
I have been through a pain management day program where trigger therapy was taught to us to receive better use of our muscles and relieve pain.  Relieving pain is the purpose of this therapy, not inflicting pain as sadism is all about.

Personally I object to teaching a sadist to use this as part of their regime.  It can cause muscle damage and nerve damage. If they decide to learn this, then they will should get the training professionally so as to not damage muscle and nerve tissue.

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/12/2009 12:13:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trigger points and pressure points are two different things.  I have trigger points due to my health conditions as well.  The places my dominant used had no correspondence to them.  Trigger points are a sign of impending muscle and nerve damage as it is and should be handled with care with the goal of relieving the problem.  Pressure points are areas on the body that are vulnerable to the infliction of pain and it is taught as a fairly safe defensive measure because it really shouldn't harm, just incapcitate temporarily, the person receiving it and it is meant to hurt in a major way.  If a trigger point and pressure point were in the same area, that place should be avoided to prevent further complication, but others may be quite satisfying to the masochist and sadist alike.

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/19/2009 4:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		my damn tortoishell cat has a talent to keep pressing on incredible painful spots on my shoulder blades (not sure if they are trigger or pressure points) and on my rip cage when she wants to make herself comfortable lieing on me. I don't know if those points also hurt to people without fibromyalgia or not but to me they are incredible painful. When I move her away from those points she moves right back to it, so she f****** damn knows what she is doing

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/19/2009 9:22:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I am very familiar an trained in the pressure points techniques as well as trigger points concordant with Kyosho-Jutsu and Dim Mak applications and the Hindu's Varma Kalai. I am curious because my Sifu and my Sensei and Guru haven't been able to use all the points in me.

I only respond to high levels of force/pressure in very small angles or positions and in only like 20% of the spots where an "average" person, tough enough for the practice of the arts in a medium level and with moderate skills and endurance to damage would. It's perhaps a side-effect of training and conditioning, and when i do feel the effect, it's not pain per se, it's more like a cramp with a tickle like a very low-level electric buzz, and not pain per se.

The person I mention is often putting me down for she finds me "insensitive" and claims this means she has got to go to further lenghts, much closer to the line between hurt and harm, than with other people, so I am "dangerous" to play for she needs to bend me too much and a little error can make me break, and I feel like an asshole for that because I feel i am failing, not only to her, but in general, as a BDSM practicioner and in the future, as a Sub.

I have tried meditation and other forms of neural engram programation to feel more but it has been useless. This also extents to other forms of play such as whipping and fireplay, thermal, electrical, impact, pressure, torsion and tension play as wella s laceration and puncture play.

How can you let yourself go, make yourself feel more so you suffer enough for the Domme to enjoy it?

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/19/2009 9:25:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		having had most of my pain pressure points overused (childhood issues folks, don't ask), I know where you are coming from. The best I have come up with is not focusing on the physical pain, since my mind automatically 'handles' it, i/We focus on mental set-up and mind-fucks to get around my automatic responses and find new paths to pain/catharsis.


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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/19/2009 9:29:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

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ORIGINAL: Dastan

Hello. A lady friend of mine, whov isits my country often,a  nice human being and Domme, and also an extreme Sadist who loves to give the most pain but hates to inflict any damage that last a night, has asked me to teach her pressure point techniques. These techniques can be painful, and with 2 fingers squeezing the right part, or just one pressing on the right spot, you can make a grown man gry as if a small needle pinched his testicles and he did not like or tolerate cbt.

Has anyone here ever had someone who uses such techniques or who is able to use her own hands to create pain so deeply using some sensitive spots of the body, pressing nerves or such ?



My massage therapist uses deep tissue techniques. I have to tell her to ease up on pressure/trigger points each time I see her.  I tell her I am NOT a masochist.
 
I have been through a pain management day program where trigger therapy was taught to us to receive better use of our muscles and relieve pain.  Relieving pain is the purpose of this therapy, not inflicting pain as sadism is all about.

Personally I object to teaching a sadist to use this as part of their regime.  It can cause muscle damage and nerve damage. If they decide to learn this, then they will should get the training professionally so as to not damage muscle and nerve tissue.


She is a good person and she cringes when she sees a bad welt. She is great as a human being, comes here to do charity and works for many purposes and charities as a doctor by the way, she is just not sure about the techniques, martial arts-wise, but she knows the basic theory of the why's and what for's, but doesn't know the how's. That's where I come in. However, she has seen me play with someone trained like me who likes the use of such techniques, a martial arts sensei from UK and she is vicious, but knows the consequences and stops in time and the problem is that she knows already how hard it is to do it on me and I like her a lot so i want to please her, teach her, let her use it on me because I like her a lot, not just sexually or BDSM-wise, she's smart, she's a great person, she has a great smile, loves some literature I lvoe, enjoys walking in nature and the jungles, and loves animals....I mean, if I had to marry someone tomorrow, I'd ask her to....

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/19/2009 9:32:37 AM   
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having had most of my pain pressure points overused (childhood issues folks, don't ask), I know where you are coming from. The best I have come up with is not focusing on the physical pain, since my mind automatically 'handles' it, i/We focus on mental set-up and mind-fucks to get around my automatic responses and find new paths to pain/catharsis.



Thank you for the advice, I'll see how can I work with that although mental feedback and sensitivity enhancement through neural stimulation has proven unsuccessful.

And I know about those issues. I still have marks from thats ame period of my life. But what ddin't kill me, made me stronger. I know you are a very strong person as well.

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/20/2009 8:54:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to say similar.  I don't think it is necessarily the physical edge that is going to be most effective with you in this case.  I think it is the mental game and placing you in a vulnerable and even painful mindset that will make this more effective.  I think it is also going to be more about connection with the dominant than about pain play for you.  Those sensations you get can be interpreted by her to you and those can become quite engrained over time.  I understand where she is coming from, so perhaps a shift in focus if you plan to use these would be helpful.  I know I certainly would not want to break my toys either!

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RE: Pressure Points and Sadism - 3/20/2009 4:40:03 PM   
Dastan


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I was going to say similar.  I don't think it is necessarily the physical edge that is going to be most effective with you in this case.  I think it is the mental game and placing you in a vulnerable and even painful mindset that will make this more effective.  I think it is also going to be more about connection with the dominant than about pain play for you.  Those sensations you get can be interpreted by her to you and those can become quite engrained over time.  I understand where she is coming from, so perhaps a shift in focus if you plan to use these would be helpful.  I know I certainly would not want to break my toys either!

lovingpet


Thank you for your answer. I have researched in our labs and found some CNS stimulants to increase the SMNV II channels or pain nociceptors and stimulate the thalamic nerve area in order to heighten pain to very high intensities, so as to not let her down. I hope it works.

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