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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:21:38 PM   
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I'm shocked no one else was able to discern their vile plan,you starting to come over to our side Rich?



      Of course not, Mike.  Were you assuming I see something "vile" in manipulating the masses, or separating the gullible from their money?  I don't see any difference between this, and some lone Representative's bill on abortion that Planned Parenthood pretends is the end of the world.  I'd imagine they slip a few bucks to crazy fundy Repubs, under the table, too

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:25:44 PM   
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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:26:14 PM   
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So at the alter of that particular slippery slope theory,lets not do anything to address the oh so evident problem this country has with firearms....cool.


And what problem would that be? Criminals who already have no right owning a gun, using a gun to commit a crime? Or is it the legal owner losing his mind and going on a spree problem?

Or how about the Thief breaking into a person's home and stealing a gun (a crime) to use in other crimes, that problem?

Once again, you on the left just don't get it. If someone wants to kill, they'll kill regardless of having a gun handy or not. Why do you guys insist on trying to curtail a right (not a privilege) given to us in the bill of rights?

Doctors kill more people by accident every year, than guns do, go the fuck after Doctors and leave my guns alone.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well subrob the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:41:22 PM   
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We`ll do both.

And we`ll go after these guys,in spite of your objections.

Funny how cons are all about security and fighting terrorists but bend over backward to arm them and then want to keep it all secrete.

Boy,that`s smart....

Not....

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:42:19 PM   
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Oh come now Rich,Planned parenthood in bed with the fundies....now your just being silly......



         What?  Don't tell me you actually believe there is one damned bit of difference between the NRA and Planned Parenthood?  They even have the same goal;  Population control. 

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:45:53 PM   
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Funny how cons are all about security and fighting terrorists but bend over backward to arm them and then want to keep it all secrete.




            I dunno what blog you found this talking point on, O59, but I wouldn't go back.  That's one of the ugliest strawmen I've ever seen.  Jesus.  I hope you don't wake up with "her."

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 10:53:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The Justice Department has refused to let the F.B.I. check its records to determine whether any of the 1,200 people detained after the Sept. 11 attacks had bought guns, F.B.I. and Justice Department officials say.

The department made the decision in October after the F.B.I. asked to examine the records it maintains on background checks to see if any detainees had purchased guns in the United States.

Mindy Tucker, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, said the request was rejected after several senior officials decided that the law creating the background check system did not permit the use of the records to investigate individuals.
Ms. Tucker did not elaborate on the decision, but it is in keeping with Attorney General John Ashcroft's strong support of gun rights and his longstanding opposition to the government's use of background check records. In 1998, as a senator from Missouri, Mr. Ashcroft voted for an amendment to the Brady gun-control law to destroy such records immediately after checking the background of a prospective gun buyer. That amendment was defeated."

Nuff said.

Don`t you want to know if terrorists are armed?

I do.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 11:01:15 PM   
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      Ok. 

     

       Sorry.   We've already figured out that you don't read the things you link to.  I guess you don't read the bits you snip, either.  October, 2001.

       Are you aware you are endorsing the Patriot Act?



     God, I needed the laugh you just gave me.  Scared the cat. 

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/12/2009 11:05:32 PM   
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the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.


The easy avaliability of incendiary devices (ie. matches, cigarette lighters), flammable liquids, chemicals, etc insures that there will always be a supply of materials avaliable for arsonists, mad bombers, lunatics intent on creating chemical/biological weapons, and garden variety poisoners.  So are we going to keep records on who buys matches, gasoline, household chemicals, etc?

If you think I'm being absurd, you may want to look back into history.  Some of the largest cases of historical mass murder were committed by arsonists, bombers, and poisoners.  If you really want to kill a whole bunch of people, all you need is a box of matches and a gallon of gasoline.  If you want to really make a murderous statement, you do what 'ol Timothy McVeigh did.  You buy some fertilizer, diesel fuel, and rent you a moving truck. 

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 12:19:35 AM   
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Well subrob the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.


Has it worked for drugs? Or alcohol? All bans have done is made law makers feel good, waste a helluva lot of money, and made criminals of otherwise upstanding citizens... Aren't our prisons crowded enough? Why do you want gun owners to go to prison, because you and I both know, the government has zero chance of removing guns from society, and the current owners will be the next "victimless crime" criminals in jail.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 12:22:52 AM   
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"go the fuck after Doctors and leave my guns alone."


We`ll do both.

And we`ll go after these guys,in spite of your objections.

Funny how cons are all about security and fighting terrorists but bend over backward to arm them and then want to keep it all secrete.

Boy,that`s smart....

Not....

Who's we? I really doubt I'll see going after an armed citizen, maybe we'll see you hiding behind that Swat team, at the end of the block, high fiving other liberals.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 1:37:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		The notion that controlling certain types of weapons translates into complete banning of firearms is just plain goofy.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 4:55:57 AM   
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Well subrob the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.


The above is silly. According to that logic the easy availability of pencils insures that there will always be a supply of pencils available to those who cheat on their taxes...Let's ban or register pencils. I'm very interested in keeping pencils out of the hands of tax cheats as I'm sure any liberally minded person is.



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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 6:11:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you read the law in question? It is not supposed to be used for individual investigation. So are you suggesting they should do it anyway?

The only weapons those hijackers needed were box cutters and knowledge.


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"The Justice Department has refused to let the F.B.I. check its records to determine whether any of the 1,200 people detained after the Sept. 11 attacks had bought guns, F.B.I. and Justice Department officials say.

The department made the decision in October after the F.B.I. asked to examine the records it maintains on background checks to see if any detainees had purchased guns in the United States.

Mindy Tucker, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, said the request was rejected after several senior officials decided that the law creating the background check system did not permit the use of the records to investigate individuals.
Ms. Tucker did not elaborate on the decision, but it is in keeping with Attorney General John Ashcroft's strong support of gun rights and his longstanding opposition to the government's use of background check records. In 1998, as a senator from Missouri, Mr. Ashcroft voted for an amendment to the Brady gun-control law to destroy such records immediately after checking the background of a prospective gun buyer. That amendment was defeated."

Nuff said.

Don`t you want to know if terrorists are armed?

I do.


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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 8:33:05 AM   
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Well Kittin,before you thank him you might want to ask him what the chance's are that this bill,as is,ever winds up on a President's desk.Given the large and pernicious lobbying on behalf of gun advocates this happens when hell freezes over.In other words another bullshit issue.


Mike, I'm one of tens of millions of people who are willing to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt.
But, if he tries to push regressive gun laws or any type of amnesty for illegal aliens that benefit of the doubt will vanish and we'll have another one-term president in office.

Given acceptable definitions of "push" and "regressive" I would be very comfortable registering a sizeable wager in Vegas that he will do both. Guns? He's a Chicago Democrat!!! Nuff said. Illegal aliens? He appointed La Raza to his closest circle of advisors. Nuff said on steroids.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 8:34:45 AM   
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This bill HAS NO CO-SPONSORS. 

Not going anywhere.  End of story.






Let's all contact DC and keep it that way!!!

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 8:41:35 AM   
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The notion that controlling certain types of weapons translates into complete banning of firearms is just plain goofy.

You're right.
But it absolutely segues into it.
What's truly goofy is the idea that controlling guns results in less crime.
I reccomend More Guns, Less Crime by Dr. John Lott

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 8:56:01 AM   
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Well subrob the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.


The above is silly. According to that logic the easy availability of pencils insures that there will always be a supply of pencils available to those who cheat on their taxes...Let's ban or register pencils. I'm very interested in keeping pencils out of the hands of tax cheats as I'm sure any liberally minded person is.


Talk about silly.Tell you what the next time there is a school or work place tragedy involving a nutcase and an automatic #2 lead pencil....you can reprint this post.Till than please watch what and who you call silly....thanks for playing.

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RE: Federal Firearms Licensing Act - 3/13/2009 9:59:49 AM   
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Well subrob the counter argument to that from those on the left would be the easy availability of guns insures that there will allways be a supply of weapons available to the unsavory facets of our society.
And any effort designed to curtail that flow is worth any slight inconvenience to the law abiding facet of our society...in other words the segment that should be most interested in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.


The above is silly. According to that logic the easy availability of pencils insures that there will always be a supply of pencils available to those who cheat on their taxes...Let's ban or register pencils. I'm very interested in keeping pencils out of the hands of tax cheats as I'm sure any liberally minded person is.


Talk about silly.Tell you what the next time there is a school or work place tragedy involving a nutcase and an automatic #2 lead pencil....you can reprint this post.Till than please watch what and who you call silly....thanks for playing.


I commented on the idea, not you and the comment still stands.
My comment didn't imply that mass murder or mass murder is commited by use of pencils.
The point is that practically anything or item can used to commit a crime by unsavory facets of our society.   Should any said item be registered and/or banned simply because the potential exists for misuse or even because it has been misused by anyone intent on committing a crime? Seems to me that leaves a helluva lot of leeway for banning and/or restricting a lot of common things just because unsavory facets might use them.
No tragedy has ever been committed as far I know with a #2 pencil, but there have been countless murders committed with hammers, axes, screwdrivers, kitchen knives and yes..even automobiles (via drunk driving)..so lets get rid of all of those.
The one common element in all crimes (of any kind) seems to be people....maybe we just oughta ban people...problem solved.

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