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"Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:25:30 AM   
dominika


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Hello all. I have a few questions as a domme for submissive peoples, especially submissive men.

I finally met a submissive who really seems to be about service to me and willing to completely submit to me. No dumb sub games, selfishness or topping from the bottom. He just laid it all at my feet for the walking. This isn't a small thing, very powerful position to be in. I know it's going to take lots of time and trust building to get where I think I want to be in a D/s relationship, but this boy claims he wants "real" enslavement. No not total debasement and abuse, but wants to learn to be an extension of my will, a true servant, relocate and live and work for ME.

I want to know what is tpe "real" enslavement.

There seems to be no limits there or the limits should be built by the dominant, right? I know it depends on an individual situation, but in general, how do you know how fast to go? If I had my way (which I think is the way he wants it to be) he would be put in chastity right now, locked him in deep, but this could be going to fast because I haven't met him yet, but he claims he wants to be taken. I'm no crazy or criminal, but I want him to feel like he is going to fast, I want the fear. I don't want put around trying to earn his submission, something I think should be innate in a servant.

How do you feel?

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:36:32 AM   
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have you met face to face yet? I ask because of the "willing to relocate" bit.

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:45:55 AM   
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I said I haven't met him in the last paragraph

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:47:27 AM   
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quote:

How do you feel?


I feel great.

Some people want the fantasy; until it becomes reality.


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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:52:17 AM   
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Do you really want him to serve you from fear?  I serve my Master from love and devotion  if i served from fear i would not be the submissive that i am today.  Yes i would still be submissive because i was born that way, but i would be different  In my opinion (only mien i speak for no one else so no flames please) subs should serve because they want to not from fear. 

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:53:42 AM   
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first of all ,have confidence with yourself ....do not do anything to powerful without knowing  YOUR possibilities ....it seems to me that you still trying to find yourself .......so ,know yourself first , built your dominance and ,then ,go for it.....because ,if you fail , you will loose everything ....him ....and  you .....

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 8:56:08 AM   
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If you have to ask these questions on a message board you aren't ready for that level of ownership yet 

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 9:00:11 AM   
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then two very serious things. Meet first before you get any more emotionally involved and STOP and really really think about what you have heard and read about TPE. It is a nice fantasy for some, a freak out for others, and everyday life for some. BUT you have to really know where you are about it BEFORE you take a single step towards it else you risk breaking you or him or worse, both.

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 9:19:17 AM   
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What you are talking about - at its core - is a relationship with someone.  Approach it in the same way you would any vanilla relationship.  A BDSM dynamic is no excuse for stupidity.  Get to really know each other, and confirm that this is what you both really want before you take -any- steps toward cohabitation.  

IMO, the first six months of any relationship should not involve any luggage larger than an overnight bag... 


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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 12:03:42 PM   
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  I'm going to add to the "go slow" chorus. Until you've met real time, you can't know what it'll be like being around each other 24/7, let alone living a 24/7 TPE. When you find someone you like, it's quite normal to want to get to your desired relationship as quickly as possible, but committing to TPE is at least as large - and probably a larger - commitment than marriage.


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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 2:31:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dominika

Hello all. I have a few questions as a domme for submissive peoples, especially submissive men.

I finally met a submissive who really seems to be about service to me and willing to completely submit to me. No dumb sub games, selfishness or topping from the bottom. He just laid it all at my feet for the walking. This isn't a small thing, very powerful position to be in. I know it's going to take lots of time and trust building to get where I think I want to be in a D/s relationship, but this boy claims he wants "real" enslavement. No not total debasement and abuse, but wants to learn to be an extension of my will, a true servant, relocate and live and work for ME.

I want to know what is tpe "real" enslavement.

Sounds like what he may want is for you to take complete control over every facet of his life. Total control over what he eats, friends, serves you practically hand and foot every day. You make all the major and minor decisions that he's normally make for himself from from how he dresses to is he's allowed to orgasm at his whim or yours. In a sense you will be micromanaging his entire life from the time he wakes up in the morning til he's allowed to go to sleep at night. Now this is one extreme and each M/s relationship is built according to the parameters which the people involved have negotiated.

There seems to be no limits there or the limits should be built by the dominant, right?
Maybe. Everyone has limits of some sort. It's a matter of a person having an idea where theirs are and determining which are agreeable to change and which are not to change.

I know it depends on an individual situation, but in general, how do you know how fast to go?
I don't think there is a general guideline to follow when determining how fast or slow to go. That is solely dependent on the people in question according to what they want and need

If I had my way (which I think is the way he wants it to be) he would be put in chastity right now, locked him in deep, but this could be going to fast because I haven't met him yet, but he claims he wants to be taken. I'm no crazy or criminal, but I want him to feel like he is going to fast, I want the fear. I don't want put around trying to earn his submission, something I think should be innate in a servant.

How do you feel?
How I feel about the manner which you want to proceed is not important. You have to determine if you want this relationship to continue and how you want the relationship to be built.



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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 6:41:00 PM   
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I think for him to offer "total enslavement" right off the bat indicates that he doesn't know the reality of which he speaks. That kind of relationship takes time to grow. If he's willing to trust you with his entire life right from the start, he's either mentally ill or in fantasy land.

If this were a vanilla relationship, this is like the guy asking you to marry him during the first IM. You'd think that was silly, right?

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 6:50:40 PM   
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I am with MasterFireMaam on this.  Anyone that offers total enslavement to someone they have never met is in fantasy land.  I really wonder why you would take this seriously.  Perhaps take some time to get to know each other. He may be the real thing, and just over enthused, but he is taking a real risk offering that to someone he doesn't know.  Until you can be sure he is real and emotionally/mentally stable you probably should consider slowing down not speeding up.

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/13/2009 7:55:49 PM   
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Sounds like sub frenzy    -    and dom frenzy     -   to me.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing, but there is a tendency to rush into things to satisfy itches, and common sense gets a little lonely.

How about meeting him first?

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/14/2009 4:55:59 AM   
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Madam,

You actually describe "real" enslavement very well. You are completely in charge and Your sub submits completely to Your Will.

The only limits are (a) Your imagination and (b) what that particular sub can handle (and is prepared to handle). You will only find out (b) by talking and testing, and as regards the latter You may extend his limits over time.

i would be wary of subs promising the earth before You have met, however. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as They say... 

paul

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/14/2009 8:34:03 AM   
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There is fantasy and reality in TPE.  Also, having dealt with some male slaves, they think with their dicks, and they don't get that this is about YOU and what YOU want..not about them and their cocks!!!! 

In a TPE the most important thing is that you follow the lead of your Dominant, this isn't about sex but about service.  Also, I would steer away from the sex talk, because that will burn out a relationship, you have to have something with more depth to it. 

The other thing I would look at is can a TPE done LDR? because in my opinion, a TPE needs to be done in real time because it is about servicing the Dominant not about sex.  A sub or slave can't clean your house, your car, and you can't control them over the internet.  Also, anyone can pretend to be whatever over the net, in meeting in real time and getting to know them you can see where they live, who they are, and i would sugguest back ground checks, because even though they want something doesn't mean that they aren't lying to get their nuts off

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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/15/2009 7:04:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

If you have to ask these questions on a message board you aren't ready for that level of ownership yet 


I agree.  Why would you want to own someone you haven't even met?



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RE: "Real" enslavement? - 3/15/2009 7:13:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dominika

Hello all. I have a few questions as a domme for submissive peoples, especially submissive men.

I finally met a submissive who really seems to be about service to me and willing to completely submit to me. No dumb sub games, selfishness or topping from the bottom. He just laid it all at my feet for the walking. This isn't a small thing, very powerful position to be in. I know it's going to take lots of time and trust building to get where I think I want to be in a D/s relationship, but this boy claims he wants "real" enslavement. No not total debasement and abuse, but wants to learn to be an extension of my will, a true servant, relocate and live and work for ME.

I want to know what is tpe "real" enslavement.

There seems to be no limits there or the limits should be built by the dominant, right? I know it depends on an individual situation, but in general, how do you know how fast to go? If I had my way (which I think is the way he wants it to be) he would be put in chastity right now, locked him in deep, but this could be going to fast because I haven't met him yet, but he claims he wants to be taken. I'm no crazy or criminal, but I want him to feel like he is going to fast, I want the fear. I don't want put around trying to earn his submission, something I think should be innate in a servant.

How do you feel?


I do not agree with the principles of Total Power Exchange. Hence, I think this is a horrible idea that I feel will not end well.

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