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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/26/2009 4:23:48 PM

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Jelly toys are horrible things and should never be recommended, the plasticizers it's made out of leaches out of the toy in a process called off gassing and it's toxic and many people have severe and painful and horrible burning reactions from jelly toys. It also stinks and is very sticky and hard to keep lint and other debris from being attracted to it.

Silicon toys, and glass toys are one of the few of the best as far as quality of materials go, they do not off gas and do not cause horrible burning of the genitals and mouth, because of the horrible off gassing.

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What are some of the health hazards consumers should be aware of when buying sex products/toys? Stay clear of jellys, nonoxynol-9, and "lotions and potions". Using Jelly products for oral, vaginal, or anal stimulation is going to introduce Phthalate and other toxic solvent absorption into the mucous membranes of the body. These chemicals provoke eye, respiratory, skin, and mucous membrane irritation. Headaches, cramps, and nausea are some of the side effects that result from exposure at the levels found in the study.
Even if you don't give a crap about consequences, the Jelly's are just plain gross. Regardless of whether you sheath the thing in condoms every time you take it out of its box, it's still going to degrade and fragment, off-gas so that it leaves an oily stain behind, fuse to its packaging and stink like an old car tire. Is any part of that sexy? Nonoxynol-9 is a harsh detergent. You wouldn't use Borax for lube so don¹t use a lube with N-9 either.http://www.womynsware.com/Side%20Menu/BuyerbeWomynsWare/Sex%20Toy%20Safety
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Fingers and small toys made of jelly

Totally agree with you about jelly toys. They are a bloody nightmare and they perish so quickly (hopefully not into someones bloodstream) that they are not worth the money.

Like you, I use glass, silicone and surgical steel but I wouldn't use any of those materials on a beginner for the simple reason that they have no give.
Rubber is a good starting point, though I would only keep the toy for him because rubber is porous and so can't ever be thoroughly cleaned.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/26/2009 4:34:17 PM

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Like I said in my post below to shak Jelly is the crappiest quality toy you can buy. Sure, they're soft but they leach their chemical plasticizers and can cause horrible burning to the skin and in severe cases of allergic reactions can cause blistering.
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Look for a plug that is labeled gel or jelly. They are very soft and flexiable.

Well, everyone is welcome to an opinion on toys. I have many jelly toys that I have had for years with no problems. They are what I use on myself including my favorite vibe - never had an allergic reaction. I have used others on subs with no problems and no complaints. I stand by liking my jelly toys.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/26/2009 4:58:24 PM

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Although I'm not clear, chemically, how this works, silicone does come in different densities. It lets them make fun things like this. The Feeldoe I own is definitely on the stiffer side, but something like this little guy has a bit more give to it. Unfortunately, I don't have the faintest idea where you'd find information about the density of the silicone that you're buying, short of actually poking the products.

I definitely recommend silicone or some other non-porus substance, OP, unless you're going to use condoms over your toys every time. I don't like the idea of bacteria growing in my toys.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/26/2009 11:29:03 PM

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I guess there isn't a safe gentle way to break your submissive in--you just have to break him, period.

*she hides a sadistic smile* Pity, that.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/27/2009 7:17:00 AM

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Well this thread got interesting. Glad to see that someone brought up the problem with some of the jelly toys. It is a definite safety issue. One of my favorites is a jelly and it's never used without a condom on it.

You may be able to find butt plugs that are soft. i have 2, one normal medium and another that is barely bigger than a finger. my personal recommendation is the rectal dilator kit from Stockroom.com. They are hard plastic, but the kit has 5 graded diameters, from 1" to 2". i'm still working on the 2" one.......

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/27/2009 11:40:02 AM

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Full points to jonathan for having a quote from Londo Mollari in his signature.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/27/2009 1:14:49 PM

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ShaktiSama:
Full points to jonathan for having a quote from Londo Mollari in his signature.

For the uninitiated...

Mollari is a character from Babylon 5. More details here:

Londo Mollari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londo_Mollari

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/27/2009 3:19:16 PM

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Here's the toy I mentioned that I think may top the feeldoe. I don't own it (yet) but wow, does the design look fabulous!
http://www.goodvibes.com/display_product.jhtml?id=13BA45&lid=listing
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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/27/2009 3:43:21 PM

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I used to always say that anal with some one new is no different than geology: time, pressure, and slow movement. Eventually, you will get a beautiful and deep valley

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/28/2009 12:06:17 PM

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Love the ass play especially with the virgins. The thrill of penetration with fingers is... oh sorry, going off track. Here's some conditioning suggestions:

I recommend latrile (not latex due to some people being allergic) disposable gloves. The trick is to put a bit of cotton into each glove finger. This way you can trim nails but don't have to cut nails off and you won't risk scratching. Won't work for long acrylic nails but is fine on shorter length.

Try on gloves ahead of time to make sure they fit just right. Don't touch anything while you're testing them and keep them in plastic before use. Dispose afterwards. Use plenty of lube and add more as you go. You cannot overdo lube. Get the right kind too, not runny but thick and long-lasting. Fisters swear by Crisco. So if you are going that direction you might want to start out with it. The benefits of using fingers was already well-explained above.

Have the sub insert his own butt plug and wear it for 15-20 minutes first day.. skip two days, add ten minutes. Skip two and add ten. Etc. In a couple weeks he should be able to wear the plug for an hour. Helping him learn to control his own body, to open up and accept by himself conditions him over time.. much easier/faster than only doing this during a scene. Mix the plug conditioning with his orgasm control so that he associates butt plug successes with permission to come after removal.

The idea is to avoid pain in the early days, to associate the butt with pleasure. Male who had violent experiences with sudden appearances of strap-ons are harder to ease into the pleasure idea. A virgin ass is a beautiful thing. Congratulations.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/28/2009 11:01:04 PM

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The universe has blessed me with a hot, new sub, but his experience with anal play is limited. As much as I would like to bend him over and take him with my strapon, that sweet ass of his needs to be trained first.

My Mistress and I are in the same situation. She would love to use her strap ons on me but my ass is so tight even a finger is uncomfortable. Working up to it in small steps. One thing that helps with the initial insertion is to use some oral analgesic gel (the stuff you put on your gums if you have a tooth ache). It has the same active ingredient that is in the desensitizing lubes. Rub a dab around the opening and give it a couple minutes to start working. Then lube up your toy and put a bit more on the head of the toy so the gel will go wherever the lube goes. It won't numb it completely, it just takes the edge off. Your sub will still feel plenty and be aware of everything going on.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/29/2009 9:53:12 PM

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my first time was tuff mistress new right a way.When she showed me a strap on I got a woody .The wood never lies

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/30/2009 8:22:39 AM

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i think it would be funny to know if the sub in question is reading everyone's comments concerning his cherry :)

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 3/31/2009 8:54:18 PM

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LOL! Yes, he is.

Thanks for all the great advice!

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/1/2009 5:39:07 PM

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I remember the good ol days of my virgin ass nice and slow is what i recomend, and lots of lube. I am sitting here typing this reply with my big black friend inside me now with my pretty pink panties on while i wait for the laundry to soak before i finish the hand washing.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/1/2009 5:52:30 PM

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May I just say: wow. What an education this thread is.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/1/2009 6:00:46 PM

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I remember the good ol days of my virgin ass nice and slow is what i recomend, and lots of lube. I am sitting here typing this reply with my big black friend inside me now with my pretty pink panties on while i wait for the laundry to soak before i finish the hand washing.

Ahem. Pardon me?

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/5/2009 7:33:54 PM

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My partner has always had an affinity for ass play and is an enema fetishist. I personally do not like strap-on play from my side as i don't get the stimulation i feel like i should. Over the past year we have worked from just inserting various dildo's and playing with him in other ways, to working on stretching and training his ass through regular hand play and some stretching with a stainless steel dildo that is more girth than length.

The first time my hand went all the way in it was amazing for both of us. This wasn't an activity i really was interested in exploring other than for the experience of something new. It took (mostly) weekly training and ALOT of patience to get to where we are now, when my left fist feels similar to a few fingers for him, lol. And it's not until the right one goes in that he realizes where we are. We are almost to the point of full double fisting, which sounds crazy still to me, but it's working.

The interesting part of this journey has been the experimentation in so many areas. My partner tends to be gadget happy and always go for the "bigger is better" idea. Well, i think he is finally cured of that. Now that he has been fisted so well, with the ever changing shape of the hand, hands, fingers, knuckles, etc, he hates anything static. Another area we experimented with was lube. There are great recipes and instructions on many of the fisting websites. Trial is the best way to figure out what worked best for you.

I would encourage anyone really interested in serious ass play to consider safe enema use (not the otc things that are pretty useless). I have found it not only makes me less likely to say Ewww or recoil in horror, but it makes the bottom much more likely to be able to relax knowing that nothing untoward is being expelled.

As always play safe. Learn from people who know. And if you're not sure if you're ready for the next level, it can wait until the next playtime. Better to have a toy you can play with than a broken one.

Anyone interested in information about useful websites, items, recipes, etc please msg me on the other side.

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/6/2009 4:41:08 AM

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i love being fisted by my mistress too

sometimes she opens me up with her strapons and once she thinks im ready out goes the strapon and in goes her fist

amazing feeling it is to be fisted by her once she slides in

she has trained me well i must say ...first she started with fingers ..then butt plugs ...then dildos ...then strapons ...love the 10 in strapon the best but her using the 14 in bam strapon that feeling is awesome once its allin and shes fucking me with it

great way to submit to a woman i must say when she starts training your ass but boy it sure is addicting

we love fisting better too because its a part of her thats inside of me and it makes for a great visual ecspecially now that she can go in deeper ...i can take up, to her elbow now ..love that feeling indeed and once shes inside of me my prostate is totally at her mercy until she milks me until i leak out and drip out all the cum i have in me ..she loves watching that ...the power her fingers are doing to me and knowing i have no control over her to stop it turns her on big time

have fun ...enjoy ..mal

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RE: Training that Virgin Ass - 4/6/2009 4:50:00 AM

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Tardy arrival, Mal. Well, better late than never!