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wulfgarw -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 3:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly so.... we went to Walmart [sm=friends.gif] i cussed [sm=tantrum.gif] and...nuthin!! [sm=dunno.gif] i hate being ignored. [sm=angry.gif] I could always come and take you into 'custody' and fit you up in full transport restraints...

Lorr47 -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 5:43:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub There have been occasions when I have been out in a public place with my daughters when some one or some group decides its ok to fuck this and fuck that. I think it would be a good idea to haul them down to the station and make them pay a fine or have their parents pay a fine when they pick them up. Better yet have them clean some public bathrooms... nothing like hands in a dirty toilet to clean the mouth. Butch The last time I looked you could say "fuck" wherever you wanted to in Michigan except if a child was nearby and then you could be arrested. I always thought that was a fair trade off.

kdsub -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 5:48:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorr47 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub There have been occasions when I have been out in a public place with my daughters when some one or some group decides its ok to fuck this and fuck that. I think it would be a good idea to haul them down to the station and make them pay a fine or have their parents pay a fine when they pick them up. Better yet have them clean some public bathrooms... nothing like hands in a dirty toilet to clean the mouth. Butch The last time I looked you could say "fuck" wherever you wanted to in Michigan except if a child was nearby and then you could be arrested. I always thought that was a fair trade off. Me too

angelikaJ -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 8:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I am afraid I agree with the law on this one. Oh come on now PA!!! I am all for good manners, I dispair the loss of them and have been known to chastize people for bad manners, even complete strangers. BUT.....bad manners is not a legal issue. If so, who is going to determine what is good and bad manners? Are you going to have a vote? Are you going to elect a "City Manners Manager"? Are you willing to pay their salary? The additional costs in enforcing these new laws? So, when you come out of the grocery store, someone bumps into you causing you to drop your groceries, breaking your eggs and sending your oranges rolling, you utter a "fucking hell" under your breath and the woman with the 3 yo behind you calls 911 and you are arrested......it's still a good idea?!?!? In a public/semi public space. I do not have a right to be disorderly. Nor do you. Should it be heavy handedly enforced. No. Should it be a policy to encourage yes. The TV argument is lacking. TV needs to be cleaned up as well. The point is- we SHARE these spaces with others. At the rate we are going tho- a machine will control everything. Even if the machine is wrong. I dont know if there was an issue between the fireguy and the lady. Its possible. No one is perfect. One should attempt to get along with others. It isnt all too different from crapping on the floor and expecting others to not mind it. Two points from the bolded bits: 1) I did not read where she actually broke any laws. I may have missed it but it did not state what the law was that he cited her on aside from the ambiguous "disorderly conduct". So in essence, he may have taken it upon himself to cite her because he was personally offended. 2. Do you really see that as disorderly? She apparently wasn't causing a commotion. The problem with this is that interpretations of disorderly conduct is very subjective. Uttering the F-word under those circumstances does not seem disorderly to me.

Lynnxz -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 8:44:32 PM)
Saying 'Fuck' isn't disorderly. Perhaps ramming the person in front of you with your cart, and upsetting a rack of Doritos on their head while screaming FUUUUUUUUCK... that might be disorderly. But just saying it? Give me a break.

outlier -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/28/2009 11:22:42 PM)
Thank you all for your posts. Many of the issues you have raised have caused me to go look for more about this story. This is what I found to address some of your thoughtful comments. This Columnist who specializes in Fire and EMT issues is the source for many of these other links. Here is an earlier column from The Galveston County Daily News which fills in a lot of the answers to the questions raised about the nature of the what happened Here is an article from The Huston Chronicle which includes a quote from an ACLU attorney which I found to be interesting. "Lisa Graybill, legal director of the ACLU Foundation of Texas, raised the practical issue before the legal. "There's a possible hurricane coming," she said. "Is there nothing else he should be doing?" Then she cited clear case law on the statute, which prohibits profane and vulgar language if it is likely to cause an "immediate breach of the peace." emphasis added Question: Did she cause a disturbance of the peace or did he by his (over?) reaction? Also another comment from a law professor from The University of Texas "This smells to me like a case in which the real offense was disrespecting an officer," he said. "Disrespecting an officer may be unwise, impolite, and inappropriate, but the Legislature has not made it an offense." In the meantime even though they just dropped the charges The News was publishing information about the marshal and his past exploits as far back as Aug 08. They also published an editorial against him at about the same time. They label his behavior as "un-American" And here is another issue raised by a person commenting about this story in the Fire & EMT column mentioned at the beginning of this post. "Worst of all in this fight...is that fact that this wankers actions may get some hard working firefigher or EMT KILLED. The FD has long tried to establish a non-police appearance since they need to go into bad situations to render aid... and the last thing you want so wacko to think is that you are actually a cop... and take out his/her frustration on you...and then here goes firemen fred and his ticket book telling the public that he IS a cop in disguise....and next time his EMTs are called to a gang shooting..they may be the targets too. FIRE FIGHTERS/EMTsARE NOT COPS. If little fire marshal billy wants to write tickets, let him go to work for the parking enforement authority and drive one of those cute litte scooters around...and he can write all the tickets he wants....or he could have been doing his real job...I would bet that the FIRE LANE out front of the store was clogged with parked cars... and he could write tickets there to get his jollies....and actually be doing his job. I sense a huge fortune eating civil rights case in his future." Once again I wish to thank those of you who have posted to this thread and I hope that this answers some of the interesting questions you have raised. Outlier

VanessaChaland -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 2:03:37 AM)
Texas, Georgia, most of the south has its own little set of "rules", not backed by common sense or law. Sure one could argue states rights and all that were they try to enforce some very odd laws, but I know I make an effort to avoid those "types" of places at all costs. I mean Holy Fuck, lol. :)

chezzy71 -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 3:09:25 AM)
hey i swear like a sailor most times..but in public i watch myself...i just don't like it in public...oh and now i say what the flip???instead of the other choice.i'm no angel by any means..just a choice and a request actually by Mistress.

MissJanice2 -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 6:53:47 AM)
*I got to thinking about this a little more yesterday evening. Wonder if Walmart tries to sue the fire marshall? They probably can especially if they get hit with a lawsuit.* The local Target store got hit with a 3 million dollar suit and lost because they were over dramatizing a counterfit bill. Imagine the destruction this will lead to for Walmart? Technically it was not Walmart who did anything wrong. *Best Wishes,* MJ

pahunkboy -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 7:32:35 AM)
Angel, No I personally dont think it was disorderly. Nor would have I cited her. One has to cut someone some slack as the person could simply be having a bad day. Being tho that this happened not in a venue where I live- I dont know the details..and cant guess. If tho that happened locally- my bet would be- that the lady had been disruptive -known the be a trouble maker- and the town just had enough of it. It seems to me that the fire guy had no bussiness doing what he did... and especially handcuffing her. After all - that sound more like a citizen arrest then a law enforcement arrest. In most areas the law enforcement have other things to do and would likely disregard the so-called disorderly charge call. If was betting- I would bet the store shelf did not only not have the item, but the price clearly marked on the shelf was lacking. A store in a hurricane prone area one would expect to have ample basic supplies.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 8:50:57 AM)
quote: I have been having some fun with this thread...Of course it was ridiculous to arrest that woman. BUT maybe I am from an older generation than most here and I grew up being taught manners. I would never swear in public or around family and I do look down on those that do. I am certainly not a prude in any way but I expect common decency around my family and that includes profanity. To me profanity is for the uneducated that can't express a thought in a proper manner. Butch You're not a prude. I can't stand being in a public place in the middle of the day and have to listen to someone spew profanity. When you are at a Wal-Mart, a diner, etc during the day; you shouldn't have to hear that kind of language. I was taught that the only people that acted like that were trailer trash. It embarrases me if somone I'm with uses bad language in public. Now I make exceptions for certain venues. I expect to hear loose language at a bar or a poolhall. I don't give it a second thought when I hear someone cursing at the horse track. But it's just trashy for someone to act like that at a store where children and old ladies can hear. Now, I am not supporting what the fire marshal did. But you can be fined for that; it's disorderly conduct. I've seen police arrest people for doing it; they usually warn them, and it's usually a drunk. But they will haul someone to jail for acting like a jerk. The fire marshal should have issued a quiet warning to the young lady.

kdsub -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 9:10:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: I have been having some fun with this thread...Of course it was ridiculous to arrest that woman. BUT maybe I am from an older generation than most here and I grew up being taught manners. I would never swear in public or around family and I do look down on those that do. I am certainly not a prude in any way but I expect common decency around my family and that includes profanity. To me profanity is for the uneducated that can't express a thought in a proper manner. Butch You're not a prude. I can't stand being in a public place in the middle of the day and have to listen to someone spew profanity. When you are at a Wal-Mart, a diner, etc during the day; you shouldn't have to hear that kind of language. I was taught that the only people that acted like that were trailer trash. It embarrases me if somone I'm with uses bad language in public. Now I make exceptions for certain venues. I expect to hear loose language at a bar or a poolhall. I don't give it a second thought when I hear someone cursing at the horse track. But it's just trashy for someone to act like that at a store where children and old ladies can hear. Now, I am not supporting what the fire marshal did. But you can be fined for that; it's disorderly conduct. I've seen police arrest people for doing it; they usually warn them, and it's usually a drunk. But they will haul someone to jail for acting like a jerk. The fire marshal should have issued a quiet warning to the young lady. We sure seem to be in the minority in this thread...but I'm glad to see we agree on something..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m9.gif[/image] Butch

SavageFaerie -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 3:20:09 PM)
As someone that grew up in Texas and left because of what goes on, I have do have to say In Texas it is still common to use the N word and it is one that police officials tend to use on a frequent basis. So does bad language excuse them too. As well as residents, I have found it is one of the most racists states I have lived in. Fuck is mild compared to some of the other things that people utter out of their mouth. Having lived in other states as well, I found that alot of Texans could care less what another says. While the woman should have used control, I can also understand her frustration. PA contrary to what you say if a hurriciane is around the corner, emergency items go FAST, even it it takes a turn and goes elsewhere. I dont care how much is coming in to replace the purchased items, it akin to a new popular movie or video game coming out and people are desperate for key items. A natural disaster especially a hurricaine which one can track brings out a frenzy and people tend to not think before saying something PC is the last thing they are worried about. They are trying to get prepared in case its not a monster storm which they are going to ride out, then wait it out to see if they have to get up and go. As was mentioned earlier, Texas is a entity all unto itself. Plus if it was against Walmart rules to use bad language wouldnt they be responsible for posting it in a place one can see when entering? A bad choice of words yes, but to make a scene with many onlookers that are already fretting I would imagine just stressed them more. A word to the woman would have been more than sufficient. She more than likely didnt even realize she uttered it. I can cuss like a sailor and I do try and limit that when out in public and around non cussing people, but if I get stressed and anxious those rules tend to fly out the window of the house that needed the batteries. Having run from Rita, trust me everyone around me and those we ran across were definetly not thinking about the utterings coming out of them.

pahunkboy -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 3:35:26 PM)
lol... when there is a snow storm people buy groceries like they wont eat again for months. :-)

SavageFaerie -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/29/2009 4:13:17 PM)
and probably cussing up a storm when there what they need isnt there.

subboi3382 -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/30/2009 2:19:09 AM)
fuck that [;)]

DesFIP -> RE: Woman handcuffed and cited for using F word in Texas Walmart (3/30/2009 5:03:58 AM)
Major lawsuit coming is my prediction. Writing up a citation, making her pay a fine, maybe. But handcuffing and dragging her away in front of her two year old child? How stupid can you be? No doubt, he will soon be the ex asst fire marshal for this.

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