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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:29:09 AM

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The disgrace is that there are people who actually think that health care is a right.

No, the true disgrace is people who believe it shouldn't be, that economics outweigh human life.

Human life (actually all life) and economics are inseperable. Nature works the way it works because of competition, and when antithetical rules attempt to force the productive/competitive to support the non-productive/non-competitive everyone suffers more. You can't fool mother nature.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:35:59 AM

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health care is a right, not a privilege.

To say that health care is a right is to say that other people have to spend their time and money servicing you. By what right do you demand that other people be compelled to serve you?

As for Sarah Palin, I’m not too worried that she’ll get anywhere near the White House though I confess that part of me would love to see her win the Presidency – just so I can have the fun of watching the heads of kittinsols’ and the Owner59s’ of the world explode.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:36:59 AM

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The disgrace is that there are people who actually think that health care is a right.

No, the true disgrace is people who believe it shouldn't be, that economics outweigh human life.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:37:05 AM

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No chance of that happening: Palin is thick as two short planks.

Yeah, I get it, and so do many Americans.

She's not a cheese lovin', wine sippin', Euro-phile. Obviously unqualified to live in this world. Hell, she probably even watches NASCAR, the bitch!

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She sank it for the Reps this election: she would do it again, if she were nominated.

She put more excitement and drew more activity to the Republican party base than anything else that happened during the election.

McCain was his own disaster.

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Even the Republicans aren't that stupid that they'd nominate her again - especially not for an even higher office. She's toast. She'll end up on a chat show, or writing books, or both. So, no, it's not the last we've seen of her .

Could be. I guess we'll see.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:44:45 AM

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Exactly. What Firm sees as being condescending isn't really. It is out and out disgust on this prevelant attitude that all things science are bad and anti-american, and being "Joe the Plumber" is better. Better than what? I don't want one of the "regular folk" running this country, do you? This dumbing down of America has got to stop.

Ahh, but see Aynne ... the Democratic Party ... once upon a time was about "the little guy", the "Joe the Plumbers" and "the working mom" (like Palin).

Now, it's about the uber-educated snob, and the government worker, and the union boss ...

Not an altogether good change, I don't think.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:49:18 AM

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Exactly. What Firm sees as being condescending isn't really. It is out and out disgust on this prevelant attitude that all things science are bad and anti-american, and being "Joe the Plumber" is better. Better than what? I don't want one of the "regular folk" running this country, do you? This dumbing down of America has got to stop.

Ahh, but see Aynne ... the Democratic Party ... once upon a time was about "the little guy", the "Joe the Plumbers" and "the working mom" (like Palin).

Now, it's about the uber-educated snob, and the government worker, and the union boss ...

Not an altogether good change, I don't think.

Firm

and the little guys that vote

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:52:03 AM

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Romney will be the candidate in 12, as he should have been in 08. Even as the Veep candidate we wouldnt be facing 10 trillion in debt to destroy capitalism and the health care system.

Come again...What color is the sky where you live?

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:54:47 AM

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Exactly. What Firm sees as being condescending isn't really. It is out and out disgust on this prevelant attitude that all things science are bad and anti-american, and being "Joe the Plumber" is better. Better than what? I don't want one of the "regular folk" running this country, do you? This dumbing down of America has got to stop.

Ahh, but see Aynne ... the Democratic Party ... once upon a time was about "the little guy", the "Joe the Plumbers" and "the working mom" (like Palin).

Now, it's about the uber-educated snob, and the government worker, and the union boss ...

Not an altogether good change, I don't think.

Firm

You are completely wron in your analysis of the makeup of the Dem party. It is vast and that is why it is no longer effective. It does represent the poor, the gays, ethnic minorities, the ACLU, environmentalists, aids activists.

The REP's?...Primarily white, middle, upper middle and wealthy class. All pretty much white bread.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 11:54:57 AM

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health care is a right, not a privilege.

To say that health care is a right is to say that other people have to spend their time and money servicing you. By what right do you demand that other people be compelled to serve you?

As for Sarah Palin, I’m not too worried that she’ll get anywhere near the White House though I confess that part of me would love to see her win the Presidency – just so I can have the fun of watching the heads of kittinsols’ and the Owner59s’ of the world explode.

You're soooo angry, it's actually cute. Health care ought to be a right: it should be funded by the taxes that are paid by people. Children should not die because they have no health insurance. People who work should not have shorter life expectancies because their miserable salaries can't afford them private coverage. Over fifty million people with no health coverage: tell me, how much does that cost you?

There are countries out there, uber educated snobbish countries where they guzzle wine and speak foreign, where national healthcare integrates private medical services. It works, and nobody complains about it, except those who never benefited from such a system, that are so hellbent on ideology they let it get in the way of facts. Like you :-) .

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:04:19 PM

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As a member in good standing of the Anti-Palin's I would whole heartedly hope for her to RUN baby RUN!....
Could there be anything more humorous than her trying to run against first Mit Romney (wouldn't vote for him but, he is quite bright and will have a well financed campaign)and then against what will more than likely be an incumbent Democrat who(like it or not he really can) can run an organized, well financed campaign and is perhaps the most eloquent President since JFK.
Sarah would be an absolute train wreck!...She would have an appeal to those that see the Republican party as the vessel for anti-abortion, right wing, bible thumping,God fearing Christians but, in a strictly political analysis of ability to be elected....Romney will hand her, her rather nice rear end. If she could get past Romney, and she won't, she couldn't stand on her own as a candidate for the Presidency no matter how much she prepared. Too easy of a target for those who will be unforgiving in their criticism and have the ability to cast way too much doubt on her intelligence and abilities. It would be fun to watch!...

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:04:30 PM

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All pretty much white bread.

Manufactured, stodgey and fattening, you mean

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:06:17 PM

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It would be fun to watch!...

So naughtily frivolous...

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:10:24 PM

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I would love for the republicans to nominate Sarah Palin. Another fun election cycle, excitment on SNL, a really good reason to hate hair in buns (as if I needed another) and the latest in eye wear trends, a picture to frame in cross hairs (kinda like her and wolves yanno). AND, a ressurection of the "Palin in the Whitehouse" website!!

And most of all, really prove once and for all, how antiquated and out of touch the party really is.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:25:31 PM

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Nothing like picking a running mate that you don't even know to put a new perspective on "marriage of convenience".

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:26:22 PM

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Exactly. What Firm sees as being condescending isn't really. It is out and out disgust on this prevelant attitude that all things science are bad and anti-american, and being "Joe the Plumber" is better. Better than what? I don't want one of the "regular folk" running this country, do you? This dumbing down of America has got to stop.

Ahh, but see Aynne ... the Democratic Party ... once upon a time was about "the little guy", the "Joe the Plumbers" and "the working mom" (like Palin).

Now, it's about the uber-educated snob, and the government worker, and the union boss ...

Not an altogether good change, I don't think.

Firm

Then why is it so appealing to an owner of a construction company, non-union, with a working owner that has guns, is all about capitalism and not particularly pro-union? Don't you hate it when we don't fit the sweeping generalizations that you want to force us into? That is bullshit. Democrats are the party of diversity and the working people, not the elites and worse, the uneducated hillbillies that actually think that people like Bush and Cheney give a rats ass about them and only pander to them to get the votes, and because the followers buy into the "regular guy" nonsense and hate anything not white, straight and christian, the submit, and let Hannity and Rush tell 'em how to think. Bush and Co. are so insider elite it is sickening.

What is uber educated by the way? Able to obtain a degree without attending 5 sub par schools like Palin did? Being able to name the publications that I turn to for viable news? Not wanting to ban books? Speaking in coherent sentences? Then yes, all for it. Oh, and bring on the Moet, the Bordeaux, the foie gras and the stinky cheese, I can't go against all of your stereotypes.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:28:54 PM

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All pretty much white bread.

Manufactured, stodgey and fattening, you mean ?

Well, did you see the banker's leaving the White House last week? Talk about bloated and bovine. They all shared the same fat lazy overfed overpaid greedy gene pool that is for certain. It was like a play doh parade, flesh colored play-doh stuffed into ill fitting over priced suits. *shudders*. Not a manly man amongst them.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:32:55 PM

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You're soooo angry, it's actually cute. Health care ought to be a right: it should be funded by the taxes that are paid by people. Children should not die because they have no health insurance. People who work should not have shorter life expectancies because their miserable salaries can't afford them private coverage. Over fifty million people with no health coverage: tell me, how much does that cost you?

There are countries out there, uber educated snobbish countries where they guzzle wine and speak foreign, where national healthcare integrates private medical services. It works, and nobody complains about it, except those who never benefited from such a system, that are so hellbent on ideology they let it get in the way of facts. Like you :-) .

I’m not angry in the slightest. In fact I’m in a rather lighthearted mood at the moment. What? Was it the crack about your head exploding? A sense of self depreciating humor would help with that. C’mon! Admit it! If Palin were to win the Presidency in 2012 you’d have an aneurism! Hmmm… maybe that’s why you think health care should be a right… you’re hedging your bets for 2012!

At least you’re now saying that healthcare ought to be a right. It is easy to say that “children should not die,” etc., but, as others have pointed out, you run into trouble with a little thing called reality. In my opinion, most people who go about proclaiming that health care (or “decent” housing, or a job, etc.) is a right do so not because they actually care about everybody but only because they want to stroke their own ego and feel morally superior to those of us who recognize reality for what it is.

Recognizing reality does not make a person evil. It does not mean that such a person wants to see people die needlessly from lack of health care (or from freezing to death on the street because they don’t have a home) and to presume such about others based only upon their opinion is nothing more than bigotry. Nor does it mean that such people don’t believe that things could be better or that new ideas should not be tried. What it means is that we reject pat, meaningless slogans in favor of critical reasoned analysis and debate. And with that in mind…

You can proclaim that national health care systems work but that doesn’t change the fact (the reality) that I often see Canadian license plates in the doctor’s office parking lots around here (here being only a twenty minute drive to the border).

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:44:12 PM

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you apparently believe that health care is a "right", and not a service that you work for and pay for. I don't.

It is funny that when I look around, this country is the only one who believes healthcare is a service that you work and pay for. If we are so correct in our current approach, how come we stand alone?

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And when you're exercising your right to wait 6 months for surgery or sit 4 hours for a check-up you can think about how to fix a system that really has problems.

These foreign countries accept the reality of a 6 month wait for hip replacement surgery, a far cry from waiting times here, only because their system places a greater priority on covering more of the younger population who is able to work and produce a return on the public investment for their economy. They accept the reality that hip replacement surgery for a 75 year old isnt available on 3 days notice, as spending money in that scenario isn't the best investment for their dollars.

Those other countries cover basic services for everyone, getting a greater return on their dollars, while we deny the young and only invest in the old, ultimately planting our public dollars into the ground along with the elderly body.

I am at a loss as to how anybody can think our approach is better. Pointing to the 'merits' of 3-day access to costly, extreme procedures for the elderly doesn't buy us out of that doghouse.

As for the Canadian plates in the parking lot, those are merely the hypoctites. They are people who enjoy universal access to basic services, but come here for the extreme procedures only because they can, and becuase the uninsured in this country "fund" this 3-day access for them. A few hypocrites who cross the border for selfish reasons is not an indicatior of systemic failure. Its an indicator of people who enjoyed their benefits, but who skipped out when their turn to wait came.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:47:54 PM

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Human life (actually all life) and economics are inseperable.

I can only offer my sorrow that you truly seem to believe that.

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RE: McCain supports Palin for president ... sort of - 3/30/2009 12:50:12 PM

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their system places a greater priority on covering more of the younger population who is able to work and produce a return on the public investment for their economy.

Horrifying.

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