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"Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Coleman l... - 3/31/2009 5:15:42 PM

Cagey18

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Court ruling favors Franken
By MANU RAJU | 3/31/09 5:06 PM EDT Updated: 3/31/09 8:06 PM EDT

After seven weeks of reviewing a hand recount, millions spent on legal fees and a tough legal ruling Tuesday afternoon, Norm Coleman still looks like the loser in the Minnesota Senate race.

But even as Democrat Al Franken’s campaign celebrated a three-judge panel’s decision to put at most 400 ballots back in play, the Coleman camp is still promising to take its case to the Minnesota Supreme Court. And it’s not ruling out an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court or filing a new lawsuit in federal district court.

In its ruling Tuesday, the three-judge panel ordered absentee ballots to be turned over to the Minnesota secretary of state’s office by April 6. The ballots would then be counted in open court by April 7.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20725.html

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The big question now is, will the US Senate seat Franken after the final vote count on April 7? Or will the citizens of Minnesota still be denied full representation while Coleman wastes more taxpayer dollars on useless appeals?

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 5:47:12 PM

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It's so sad... does Coleman really want to go down in history as 'the man who wouldn't loose'? I guess he does...

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:03:56 PM

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:08:43 PM

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It's so sad... does Coleman really want to go down in history as 'the man who wouldn't loose'? I guess he does...

Or "the man who screwed his own gubernatorial bid in his fruitless desperate quest to get his Senate seat back"...

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:31:15 PM

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Ha! They'll be going from the frying pan into the fire in Minnisotta.
One nut for another.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:45:09 PM

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I don't know what's so bad about having a comedian in the senate. We've been electing clowns for years.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:45:45 PM

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Ha! They'll be going from the frying pan into the fire in Minnisotta.
One nut for another.

Mebbe so, but ya gotta admit, Franken will be a helluva lot more entertaining on C-SPAN than Coleman.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 6:56:03 PM

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Ha! They'll be going from the frying pan into the fire in Minnisotta.
One nut for another.

Mebbe so, but ya gotta admit, Franken will be a helluva lot more entertaining on C-SPAN than Coleman.

LOL, Cagey, ah,...when was Al Franken *ever* "entertaining?"
I'd rather chew on tin foil.
After watching him for five minutes that would surely seem like two hours, I'd have to change channel to something exciting like Golf!

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 7:08:16 PM

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LOL, Cagey, ah,...when was Al Franken *ever* "entertaining?"

Pretty much every time I've ever seen him, whether on SNL, Comedy Central, or even when talking about predatory lending...on C-SPAN no less.

You should read his books. Enlightening and entertaining at the same time.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 7:18:23 PM

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Gawd I love Minnesota ! First Jessie "The Body" Ventura, now Al "Fucking" Franken . Plus, they love to party up there. Too bad it gets and stays so fucking cold for so long or I would move there.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 7:28:56 PM

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Coleman's actions are no different from the actions of the Al Gore camp in the 2000 presidential election but I'm guessing the libs would see that one differently.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 8:37:20 PM

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i haven't been keeping up with the fight. Was Franken allowed to turn this election into a MLB All Star vote where certain people could have there votes counted more then once?
Did those votes stand or were they taken away in the final count?

did mystery FRANKEN votes that weren't held in the proper location turn up in peoples car trunk ;)

Were there any similar Mystery Coleman votes?

If they were allowed to stand then remember the slipper slope of future elections when payback occurs. Republicans will view this as a stolen election not as some sore losing that democrats had after 2000.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html

Mr. Franken started the recount 215 votes behind Senator Coleman, but he now claims a 225-vote lead and suddenly the man who was insisting on "counting every vote" wants to shut the process down. He's getting help from Mr. Ritchie and his four fellow Canvassing Board members, who have delivered inconsistent rulings and are ignoring glaring problems with the tallies. Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as "duplicate" and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 8:49:41 PM

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You should read his books. Enlightening and entertaining at the same time.

I agree, but you might be asking too much. M

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 9:07:26 PM

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i haven't been keeping up with the fight. Was Franken allowed to turn this election into a MLB All Star vote where certain people could have there votes counted more then once?
Did those votes stand or were they taken away in the final count?

did mystery FRANKEN votes that weren't held in the proper location turn up in peoples car trunk ;)

Were there any similar Mystery Coleman votes?

If they were allowed to stand then remember the slipper slope of future elections when payback occurs. Republicans will view this as a stolen election not as some sore losing that democrats had after 2000.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111967642552909.html

Mr. Franken started the recount 215 votes behind Senator Coleman, but he now claims a 225-vote lead and suddenly the man who was insisting on "counting every vote" wants to shut the process down. He's getting help from Mr. Ritchie and his four fellow Canvassing Board members, who have delivered inconsistent rulings and are ignoring glaring problems with the tallies. Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as "duplicate" and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.

I think that's probably why they have these three judges keeping an eye on the whole thing. I'm thinking that a large part of their role will be to look into some of those questions, and tell us which side they think is right. I kind of like the way that process works.... don't you?

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 3/31/2009 11:24:50 PM

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well Gore gave up on it months before this but I never understood the argument against recounts, isn't a presidency or senate seat kinda important?

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Coleman's actions are no different from the actions of the Al Gore camp in the 2000 presidential election but I'm guessing the libs would see that one differently.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 4/1/2009 12:04:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: subboi3382

well Gore gave up on it months before this but I never understood the argument against recounts, isn't a presidency or senate seat kinda important?

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Coleman's actions are no different from the actions of the Al Gore camp in the 2000 presidential election but I'm guessing the libs would see that one differently.

Yeah, I agree. As much as i hate Coleman - and believe me, I do hate Coleman - I don't have a problem with the way he's handled this so far. He's doing what he needs to do. The vote was close enough, and there were enough legitimate questions about the totals and the way the votes were counted, that he had credible grounds for a recount and a court challenge of the results.

It's not just about him - it's about the half million people who did cast a vote for him to represent them in Washington for the next 6 years. I strongly disagree with those people, and have very little respect for their priorities and their politics, but every one of them has the right to expect their vote will be counted. There's a legal mechanism in place to handle these situations, and Coleman not only has every right to utilize those mechanisms, in my opinion he has an obligation to do so - an obligation to every person who cast a vote for him.

Now. Where he goes from here, well... that may be a different story. He's at a point where if he pushes it much further, he'll be crossing the boundary of reasonable remedy and entering the realm of self-serving obstructionism. I won't be disappointed when he takes it to the State Supreme Court, but when he loses there, it's time to quit. If he drags the bloody carcass of this mess to the front door of a Federal courthouse, my opinion is going to change. At that point, I'll be joining my fellow liberals in calling for his overinflated head.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 4/2/2009 4:08:14 PM

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Panda, I have to agree with you on this one. Franken and Colman both excersized their rights to have such a close election carefully examined. It's time to just stop the vitrol and seat one of 'em already! Senator Franken, please take your seat, you won it fair and square!

Yes, it's true that we've been electing a lot of clowns to the Senate, Spinner. But what does it say about the situation when the professional clown is actually a better voice of the people than most career politicians? I've read several of Franken's books, and I have no doubt that the people on MN are getting the better man.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 4/2/2009 5:25:51 PM

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Love the Franken. incredibly smart, swift and compassionate. Minnesota could do so much worse. I have read his books as well as many books written by "the right."

He will work at the best of his abilities to serve his state.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 4/2/2009 7:26:32 PM

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It's so sad... does Coleman really want to go down in history as 'the man who wouldn't loose'? I guess he does...

He, like all Washingtonian politicos, suffer from a severe case of Potomac Fever. He's gonna do everything he can to stay in power, like a third world dictator.

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RE: "Senator Al Franken" imminent: Norm Colem... - 4/2/2009 8:52:51 PM

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Panda, I have to agree with you on this one. Franken and Colman both excersized their rights to have such a close election carefully examined. It's time to just stop the vitrol and seat one of 'em already! Senator Franken, please take your seat, you won it fair and square!

Yes, it's true that we've been electing a lot of clowns to the Senate, Spinner. But what does it say about the situation when the professional clown is actually a better voice of the people than most career politicians? I've read several of Franken's books, and I have no doubt that the people on MN are getting the better man.

I guess one of your measures of a "better man" is the ability to publish books full of lies. He without a doubt is the most dishonest person in comedy or in politics.

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