Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 10:50:59 AM   
marie2


Posts: 1690
Joined: 11/4/2008
From: Jersey
Status: offline 		So, we shouldn't be eating pomagranates?

(in reply to samboct)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 11:05:44 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: marie2

So, we shouldn't be eating pomagranates?

Eat a variety of fruits and vegetables. Just don't worry about supplements beyond taking a reputable multi vitamin if you think your diet isn't as balanced as it should be.

(in reply to marie2)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 11:28:34 AM   
Louve00


Posts: 1674
Joined: 2/1/2009
Status: offline 		Well, you certainly proved me wrong about being a scientist.  (good thing I wasn't claiming that)
I'm just saying oxidation results with oxygen and a toxin (or substance we don't need).  I'm also saying I believe antioxidants can help in the process of oxidation.  I don't claim to be the reason for my husband's success.  If you were to ask him, he'd stop you cold (or stop me cold) and say it was the work of the Lord. (but thats a whole other debate on a whole other thread, which I wouldn't partake in)

< Message edited by Louve00 -- 4/12/2009 11:30:57 AM >

_____________________________

For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearance, as though they were realities and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are. - Niccolo Machiavelli

(in reply to samboct)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 11:42:19 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

Well, you certainly proved me wrong about being a scientist.  (good thing I wasn't claiming that)
I'm just saying oxidation results with oxygen and a toxin (or substance we don't need).  I'm also saying I believe antioxidants can help in the process of oxidation.  I don't claim to be the reason for my husband's success.  If you were to ask him, he'd stop you cold (or stop me cold) and say it was the work of the Lord. (but thats a whole other debate on a whole other thread, which I wouldn't partake in)

Oxidation occurs with things that aren't toxins. It is an absolutely essential part of your metabolism. Yes, too much oxidation can damage things in your body and antioxidants serve to regulate that process but supplementing with large doses is useless. Eat a balanced diet and you will get all the antioxidants your body will absorb.

(in reply to Louve00)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 11:47:24 AM   
ThatDaveGuy69


Posts: 978
Joined: 6/22/2007
Status: offline 		My new favorite site for bogus "medical" stuff:

www.quackwatch.com

Great reading - enjoy :)

~Dave


_____________________________

He said I'd blown a seal. I said fix the damn thing and leave my private life out of this!
What happens in the event horizon STAYS in the Event Horizon!
I have zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 12:22:26 PM   
Louve00


Posts: 1674
Joined: 2/1/2009
Status: offline 		Your point is taken, DomKen.  Like I said from the beginning and through-out, alternative or natural medicine is not the end-all to everything.  I believe that eating a balanced diet, staying away from all the things we know we should stay away from, is part of keeping healthy.  I do also, believe in the benefits of supplementation.  Not so much with herbs (I will leave the drugs to the pharmaceutical companies), but with vitamins, minerals, enzymes?  Yes, I believe.  (besides, its my money and it soothes my conscience)

_____________________________

For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearance, as though they were realities and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are. - Niccolo Machiavelli

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 12:32:49 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

Your point is taken, DomKen.  Like I said from the beginning and through-out, alternative or natural medicine is not the end-all to everything.  I believe that eating a balanced diet, staying away from all the things we know we should stay away from, is part of keeping healthy.  I do also, believe in the benefits of supplementation.  Not so much with herbs (I will leave the drugs to the pharmaceutical companies), but with vitamins, minerals, enzymes?  Yes, I believe.  (besides, its my money and it soothes my conscience)

And what I'm telling you is, if you eat a balanced diet and get outside in the sun for a bit each day, our bodies photosynthesize vitamins D and K, you don't need any supplements. Even if you do take a supplement be realistic it isn't going to prevent cancer recurrence or treat AIDS. If you're not actually getting all the nutrients you need you may absorb some from the supplement, note that most supplements provide the vitamins and minerals in not terribly absorbable form, but mostly you'll be producing vitamin rich urine.

(in reply to Louve00)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 2:18:21 PM   
philosophy


Posts: 5284
Joined: 2/15/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

I'm just saying oxidation results with oxygen and a toxin (or substance we don't need). 


...or, say, iron. A substance we most certainly do need....and i've only got an Arts degree.

(in reply to Louve00)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 2:35:22 PM   
Markdon


Posts: 4
Joined: 11/13/2008
Status: offline 		Hello and hope you Doing good...I Went Through Your
Profile And See That You look Real And A one Of
Honest, Truthful, And Loving.... I Decided To Contact You
To Disclose transaction With You, Well, I Am An AUSTRALIA leaves In Nigeria for Business and I Wish To make friend
You Don't Mind More About It
, So You Reply Me To My Private Mail:( [email protected]), with your phone
Number And contact info and i Will Tell You More Of
Myself, I will Disclose Business With You That Will Benefit both of Us and proof that I am genuine man for those genuine and interested in
Details...Sorry I Contacted you on Here. But If you are really sure of your integrity Reply
I soon much love you profile.
Thanks
 Mark
If you are really sure of your integrity,

(in reply to marie2)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 2:36:51 PM   
Markdon


Posts: 4
Joined: 11/13/2008
Status: offline 		Hello and hope you Doing good...I Went Through Your
Profile And See That You look Real And A one Of
Honest, Truthful, And Loving.... I Decided To Contact You
To Disclose transaction With You, Well, I Am An AUSTRALIA leaves In Nigeria for Business and I Wish To make friend
You Don't Mind More About It
, So You Reply Me To My Private Mail:( [email protected]), with your phone
Number And contact info and i Will Tell You More Of
Myself, I will Disclose Business With You That Will Benefit both of Us and proof that I am genuine man for those genuine and interested in
Details...Sorry I Contacted you on Here. But If you are really sure of your integrity Reply
I soon much love you profile.
Thanks
 Mark
If you are really sure of your integrity,

(in reply to Louve00)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 2:54:00 PM   
philosophy


Posts: 5284
Joined: 2/15/2004
Status: offline 		FR

good grief, since when does a thread on a forum have a profile? Enquiring minds want to know.

(in reply to Markdon)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 9:32:32 PM   
awmslave


Posts: 599
Joined: 3/31/2006
Status: offline
quote:

Notice this is an attempted comparison between the malignant behaviour of an alternative medicine charlatan and human error by health care workers. So on one side we have a man pitching a known useless product that will surely result in death and suffering and on the other we have people making mistakes. This doesn't exactly strike me as an apt comparison.

Useless products do not cause death (unless they sell poison that is not the case). Placebo effect is well known to cure diseases. There is plenty of useless in conventional medicine as well: useless tests are very common, unnecessary medicine (mildly toxic) common. These are of course for separating your from your money. Bad thing with conventional medicine is that people traditionally trust it.
My point is: use both with great caution.


(in reply to samboct)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 9:45:12 PM   
heartcream


Posts: 3044
Joined: 5/9/2007
From: Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop
Status: offline 		Some people cannot absorb nutrients from food either. It is an individual thing. One person telling everyone what to ingest or not is ridiculous. What is good for one is not good for another.

I mean I feel strongly about not eating or cooking out of aluminum, it is highly unstable metal and not a happy place in the human body. I know loads of people eat out of aluminum and seemingly nothing happens to them. I think supplements are really cool. That is how I feel about it.

I try to eat right but then again mostly I try to listen to what I want, what I really, really want. The thing is past pollution needs consideration. I read that somewhere and it made a lot of sense. I was brought up eating the weirdest stuff and the hot stuff out of all aluminum pots. Sometimes I just gotta have... whatever it is. For me I know it is good to go eat that thing I am craving. Past pollution is needing it so I heed that.

When I follow along like this, going by my feelings, what feels right to me then the crap stuff falls more easily away. I dont want those things anymore. The process works well this way, for me. I take supplements, I eat good food and I listen to what feels right to me.

A strong immune system is part of what we need to ward off all the gnarly diseases. I have my ways of building my immune system and I wish all you good folks a good and strong immune system too.

_____________________________

"Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague." Vincent Van Gogh

I'd Rather Be With You

Every single line means something.
Jean-Michel Basquiat



(in reply to awmslave)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 9:59:33 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: awmslave
Useless products do not cause death (unless they sell poison that is not the case).

Which proves you didn't read the article in the first post which was all about how a useless product was killing millions of South Africans.

(in reply to awmslave)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 10:27:21 PM   
heartcream


Posts: 3044
Joined: 5/9/2007
From: Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop
Status: offline 		People taking advantage of less fortunate people sucks bum. I really despise that. People hurting others sucks too. Bad business sucks.

_____________________________

"Exaggerate the essential, leave the obvious vague." Vincent Van Gogh

I'd Rather Be With You

Every single line means something.
Jean-Michel Basquiat



(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 10:38:22 PM   
awmslave


Posts: 599
Joined: 3/31/2006
Status: offline
quote:

Which proves you didn't read the article in the first post which was all about how a useless product was killing millions of South Africans.

I doubt the numbers. In any case, it should be viewed as an isolated incident and not be used as an argument to tear down alternative medicine. The conventional medicine has narrow focus to reduce symptoms rather than cure the diseases (for many reasons related to time and money mostly). Alternative medicine has great potential especially in the area of chronic illnesses.

(in reply to heartcream)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine - 4/12/2009 11:10:09 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: awmslave

quote:

Which proves you didn't read the article in the first post which was all about how a useless product was killing millions of South Africans.

I doubt the numbers. In any case, it should be viewed as an isolated incident and not be used as an argument to tear down alternative medicine. The conventional medicine has narrow focus to reduce symptoms rather than cure the diseases (for many reasons related to time and money mostly). Alternative medicine has great potential especially in the area of chronic illnesses.

Isolated incident? How many examples would it take to establish that it isn't? How many homeopaths pushing distilled water as a treatment for anything will it take? What about all the other vitamin salesmen making false claims? How about the colonics movement? What about the anti vaxers and the people chelating autistic children?

As to doubting the numbers, what numbers do you doubt? The number of AIDS deaths per year in in South Afric?

(in reply to awmslave)
Profile   Post #: 37
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: How to kill millions with alternative medicine Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.203