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The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pucky.... - 4/13/2009 7:40:16 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88Fcfv0yK8&feature=related

Going on the premise that good arguments beat bad ones and facts should be...well factual,Ms. Maddow exposes the "party that cried wolf`s" b/s spreading strategy.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 5:04:22 AM

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Don't you mean parties? She only mentioned the republicans, but don't tell me you actually think the democrats are being truthful with you. Our two party system encourages everyone to use lies and propaganda over the truth, here's what George Washington had to say on the subject: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Washington%27s_Farewell_Address#20

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 4:36:01 PM

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Yup. The democrats lie and steal too... The difference is, when they're stealing from us, we get better roads, schools and relative peace in the world...

When the GOP lies and steals, we end up in two wars, an economy in flames, a drowned American city, civil liberties at the same free level as Stalin's Russia, and a supreme court set to fuck over every man woman and child in the US for decades to come.... Why don't they just fuck us in our cold, dead eyesockets, while they are at it?

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 7:06:01 PM

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yes, let's not forget that the drowned american city was the doing of the bush administration. damn those that can control the weather.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 9:07:11 PM

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If a lifeguard let a victim drown because he was asleep or because he was inept/negligent(like bush) ,would you blame the water?

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 9:13:43 PM

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owner, you seem to have a real thorn in your ass concerning conservatives. i'd apologize but i'm not that kind a person i guess and my tweezers aren't nearly big enough. i'm sure you're a nice guy and you're cute enough but i'm not sure where the vitriol you have comes from. i'm mid ground concerning the parties. i just want honesty and a government that's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes while they vacation in the hamptons or texas. i'm fed up and i'm tired with the blame game....somehwere the buck has to stop.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 9:25:20 PM

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Yup. The democrats lie and steal too... The difference is, when they're stealing from us, we get better roads, schools and relative peace in the world...

When the GOP lies and steals, we end up in two wars, an economy in flames, a drowned American city, civil liberties at the same free level as Stalin's Russia, and a supreme court set to fuck over every man woman and child in the US for decades to come.... Why don't they just fuck us in our cold, dead eyesockets, while they are at it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/politics/10Illinois.html?hp

LOOK AT ALL OF THE ROADS AND GREAT SCHOOLS THE DEMOCRATS BUILT FOR US

How many Obama cabinited members have so far been charged with not paying their taxes?

Lets examine all of the perfect lefties
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

The words I would LOVE to say to you would get my account band. Instead, I will be PC and say you are an arrogant person and what you said was extremely ignorant.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 9:40:07 PM

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owner, you seem to have a real thorn in your ass concerning conservatives. i'd apologize but i'm not that kind a person i guess and my tweezers aren't nearly big enough. i'm sure you're a nice guy and you're cute enough but i'm not sure where the vitriol you have comes from. i'm mid ground concerning the parties. i just want honesty and a government that's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes while they vacation in the hamptons or texas. i'm fed up and i'm tired with the blame game....somehwere the buck has to stop.

Not really,it`s bush and un-repentant neo-conservatives I have issues with.

You seem to be willing to give bush a pass,no matter how many Americans got killed,were sent to kill and die(for nothing in Iraq) or limbs lost.

Then there`s the knife in our agents back and ruining or economy yada yada yada...

I`m all about making the party of personal responsibility,personally responsible for their ,....shall I say,....sins....

God you don`t make me sick.

You may also ignore my posts.There`s plenty of others.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/16/2009 9:50:07 PM

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i've never said i've given bush a pass... you are assuming that. god i make you sick? did you copy that from me? huh, too bad you can't be more creative dude. nothing personal, i just dont' see where the vitriol comes from...you are so against party lines. i think the majority of americans no matter what the affiliation, want to see our country thrive...i'd like to think that the country could unite enough to blur the lines of animosity. really, i'd like to see some kind of unification but some seem so focused on things that dont matter that unification seems almost impossible. tell me, is it possible to unite? tell me really, i know there are crazies on both sides of the board...you seem to be on one side and i'm on the other, where is the middle ground? please answer without bashing, there has to be some middle ground where minds can open on both sides and come to an agreement.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/17/2009 4:14:14 AM

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where is the middle ground?

i'm starting to think there isn't one sweetie. (glad to see you back!) Honestly, if one thinks more towards the middle, they seem to be accused of being extreme anyway. Namecalling and faultfinding has become de rigeur on these boards. It's kind of scary. There's an "Us against Them" mindset....the only problem is, we're all in this together. A barrel of red and blue crabs....that's what our society is becoming.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/17/2009 7:26:37 AM

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You know, I've been noticing that very thing myself...

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i'm starting to think there isn't one sweetie. (glad to see you back!) Honestly, if one thinks more towards the middle, they seem to be accused of being extreme anyway. Namecalling and faultfinding has become de rigeur on these boards. It's kind of scary. There's an "Us against Them" mindset....the only problem is, we're all in this together. A barrel of red and blue crabs....that's what our society is becoming.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/17/2009 8:16:34 AM

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Haven`t heard you do much name calling Sanity.I would prefer that you didn`t lie on a regular basis though, over being civil.

My tread was to point out the latest line of b/s of the Grand Old Party and how BSing is the only tool in their box.A persuasive argument certainly isn`t in there.

If someone wants to make a thread about how dems BS,go ahead,it`s still a free country.If someone wants to start a thread about name calling,I`d love to point out how often an elected republican has called the President names.

This is the politics section and his tread is about GOP BSing.

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Back on topic.

"It`s just wrong.It`s wrong in so many ways,it`s hard to begin." --John Reilly.

Reilly is the MIT economist who`s study the Grand Old Party is mis-quoting,errr....that`s not accurate,that the GOP is using to lie about Cap & Trade policy.

This isn`t about just pointing out republican tactics.It`s to warn my friends and others.

If someone cares to respond with the ultra-bland "dems lie too" or "both parties are crooks" etc,I`d ask for some examples.I`ll provide mine.

"wrong in so many ways,it`s hard to begin" This would be a good new slogan for the Grand Old Party.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/17/2009 12:46:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88Fcfv0yK8&feature=related

Going on the premise that good arguments beat bad ones and facts should be...well factual,Ms. Maddow exposes the "party that cried wolf`s" b/s spreading strategy.

Exposed by a commentator...not reporter...described in this manner: An editorial in The Nation describes Maddow as "a liberal in the purest, almost mineral sense of the word."[25] Associated Press columnist David Bauder calls her "[Keith] Olbermann's political soul mate" and refers to the Olbermann/Maddow shows as a "liberal two-hour block".[

Yeah...she wouldn't put a spin on anything, would she? Like most political commentators...from Rush to Olberman to O'Reilly, their partisanship shows through in what they do. I wouldn't take anything Rush says as gospel, whether it be about the "evils" of all democrats anymore than I would take anything an avowed leftist has to say about how all republicans are "liars".

You say that you want proof of democratic lies? Look it up, owner...they're out there. Why should anyone do someone else's work? (though I know that's the way of many, though not all, on the "progressive" side...someone works, preferably a conservative, and someone else who has never worked a day gets the money) Or you might try the approach of not believing EVERYTHING that political commentators or reporters from one side of the aisle only
have to say. Bush fucked up...so did Clinton...so did Nixon...so did Carter...and on and on and on.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 7:28:47 AM

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Another one.A biggie too.

Obama is cutting the defense budget....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBWdPe_3Ke8

From 515 billion... all the way down to 533 bil....

Wait a min.... that`s not down.That`s not a cut.That`s up!

That`s an increase.

Hiding behind/exploiting our GIs,Inhofe flat out lies about the new defence budget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK6s0XtiQfs

So why are repubs flat out bold faced lying again?

lol Cuz that`s what they do....

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 7:55:57 AM

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you are so judgemental it is clouding your judgement, nevermind the 2X4 thorn that is in your ass. stop judging all conservatives by the few that wiggle that pole that is up your ass.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 8:13:40 AM

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You do have a facility with words Christine

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 8:39:03 AM

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owner, you seem to have a real thorn in your ass concerning conservatives. i'd apologize but i'm not that kind a person i guess and my tweezers aren't nearly big enough. i'm sure you're a nice guy and you're cute enough but i'm not sure where the vitriol you have comes from. i'm mid ground concerning the parties. i just want honesty and a government that's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes while they vacation in the hamptons or texas. i'm fed up and i'm tired with the blame game....somehwere the buck has to stop.

You're dreaming girl. Nobody is telling you the truth and that means nobody in politics (except maybe a very few congresspeople...far to few) finances, US obligations and the refusal for most to believe the real long term goals in this world.

This includes so-called liberals and conservatives, all people as the vast majority are ok now (most getting poorer everyday) as we can support ourselves AND pay their debt...IN OUR NAME. The REAL concern is the next several generations and it is likely that before the end of this century, this country as we know it...will not exist.

We will have a financial appartied...an elite class and a slave class and by then as do so many here...the slaves will enjoy their slavery and serve proudly and with distinction. The future is not about money...they have ALL they can possibly spend. This is about power.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 11:18:56 AM

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Yup. The democrats lie and steal too... The difference is, when they're stealing from us, we get better roads, schools and relative peace in the world...

When the GOP lies and steals, we end up in two wars, an economy in flames, a drowned American city, civil liberties at the same free level as Stalin's Russia, and a supreme court set to fuck over every man woman and child in the US for decades to come.... Why don't they just fuck us in our cold, dead eyesockets, while they are at it?

To say that the dems and repubs serve different current political/social constituentcies would be correct but they both in all things that matter politically and more importantly...financially, serve the same master, the bankers. Dems and republicans are two sides of the same political and yes...financial coin.

I am convinced now that with the black face on this puppet we are being led down a path to destruction. Did you not see that he has the very people...masters of finance are actually in his govt. plus the lobbyists also, despite promises to clean them out of Wash. ?

He has willingly bailed out financial institutions while only cutting bonuses to NEW welfare state capitalists but has laid down the gauntlet to one auto co. while telling tall they'll have to lower labor's pay and bennies (while soon getting back to millions for management) to get what will be federal govt. debtor-in possesion financing for bankruptcy.

My new career path: Run up all of the debt I can in my co., take bonuses and a very nice salary and pocket all I can.

Then have the co. declare bankruptcy without going to bankruptcy court but run to the federal govt. (taxpayer) for debtor-in posession financing, fuck all of my employees, come out debt free and a whole lot richer than if I actually had to work for it. Afterall, if I am big enough to borrow, than I am big enough to get rich at others expense...true modern capitalism.

I maybe got off topic but as for this OP, lies are the currency of power. There is an endless supply and our partisanship is by design. This and other boards are actually a help but a distraction along with almost all of the garbage we get passed on as entertainment.

The problem is...we are buying it and it's working.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 11:29:05 AM

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owner, you seem to have a real thorn in your ass concerning conservatives. i'd apologize but i'm not that kind a person i guess and my tweezers aren't nearly big enough. i'm sure you're a nice guy and you're cute enough but i'm not sure where the vitriol you have comes from. i'm mid ground concerning the parties. i just want honesty and a government that's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes while they vacation in the hamptons or texas. i'm fed up and i'm tired with the blame game....somehwere the buck has to stop.

You're dreaming girl. Nobody is telling you the truth and that means nobody in politics (except maybe a very few congresspeople...far to few) finances, US obligations and the refusal for most to believe the real long term goals in this world.

This includes so-called liberals and conservatives, all people as the vast majority are ok now (most getting poorer everyday) as we can support ourselves AND pay their debt...IN OUR NAME. The REAL concern is the next several generations and it is likely that before the end of this century, this country as we know it...will not exist.

We will have a financial appartied...an elite class and a slave class and by then as do so many here...the slaves will enjoy their slavery and serve proudly and with distinction. The future is not about money...they have ALL they can possibly spend. This is about power.

ok dude, when you or someone can translate that into something understandable i'll be here. my bells are on and ready to go.

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RE: The Un-spin Zone....A recount of recent GOP bull pu... - 4/18/2009 12:36:18 PM

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owner, you seem to have a real thorn in your ass concerning conservatives. i'd apologize but i'm not that kind a person i guess and my tweezers aren't nearly big enough. i'm sure you're a nice guy and you're cute enough but i'm not sure where the vitriol you have comes from. i'm mid ground concerning the parties. i just want honesty and a government that's not trying to pull the wool over my eyes while they vacation in the hamptons or texas. i'm fed up and i'm tired with the blame game....somehwere the buck has to stop.

You're dreaming girl. Nobody is telling you the truth and that means nobody in politics (except maybe a very few congresspeople...far to few) finances, US obligations and the refusal for most to believe the real long term goals in this world.

This includes so-called liberals and conservatives, all people as the vast majority are ok now (most getting poorer everyday) as we can support ourselves AND pay their debt...IN OUR NAME. The REAL concern is the next several generations and it is likely that before the end of this century, this country as we know it...will not exist.

We will have a financial appartied...an elite class and a slave class and by then as do so many here...the slaves will enjoy their slavery and serve proudly and with distinction. The future is not about money...they have ALL they can possibly spend. This is about power.

ok dude, when you or someone can translate that into something understandable i'll be here. my bells are on and ready to go.

All right young lady as I get a little carried away sometimes and don't cover all of my bases...as it were. I still may not, there is way too much needed for detailed specifics but I think now I know why this is about power and more.

The dream if you will, means there is absolute bipartisanship in Wash., on the important issues of the bankers (with the exception of far too few) to serve the bankers as seen from a look at the big picture.

Due to all of the monetary/financial forces we are subject to, about 100 million American...at least are in fact getting poorer everyday. (income down since 2000) Our concern is future generations and the debt they'll have to pay requiring very possibly, 2 or 3 low paying jobs. A depression is very possible as I think it could be by design. This will be a form of slavery to debt. There will be more and less to pay it with.

This is about consolidating power in the financial world as they already control/marginalize or kill people they choose. There you have it very short Christine. It's not about right or left, liberal conservative or even capitalism/socialism. Those are now terms popularized to polarize and create partisanship among us...the people...the rest is wondow dressing.

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