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servantforuse -> More 'change' (4/13/2009 10:28:06 AM)
It seems that the Obama administration now supports the Government right to invoke"State secrets priviledge". In other words the so called illegal wiretapping by the Bush administration will continue. It is a necessary and legal tool to track terrorists intending to do harm to our citizens. This will drive the liberals crazy..

kittinSol -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 10:34:32 AM)
You have a very grown-up way of putting it.

MasterShake69 -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 10:56:15 AM)
they also still torture people they just send the prisoners to another country and have it outsourced. quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse It seems that the Obama administration now supports the Government right to invoke"State secrets priviledge". In other words the so called illegal wiretapping by the Bush administration will continue. It is a necessary and legal tool to track terrorists intending to do harm to our citizens. This will drive the liberals crazy..

slvemike4u -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 11:11:11 AM)
You do realise,liberals have never dinied that responsible gov't needs at times to keep State secrets....What "liberals",myself included,objected too was the Bush ,Cheney habit of doing so while violating the Constitution and/or The Bill of Rights. Based solely on your post...I would say the Obama Administration is doing what those elected to office are supposed to do...actually run a Gov't. If you would like to have an actual conversation here you will need to bring something more to the table than a vague assertion of a principal just about everyone can agree on.

servantforuse -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 11:23:12 AM)
If this policy remains unchanged and Bush/Cheney violated the constitution, Isn't President Oboma also violating the constitution.?

DomKen -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 11:38:29 AM)
The state secret privilege is not about wiretapping. The OP is making things up.

servantforuse -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 11:41:59 AM)
State secret priviledge does indeed include wire tapping..

slvemike4u -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 12:31:46 PM)
It also includes a plethora of otherintelligence gathering methods.Are you advocating President Obama reveal these methods? If not,than show where President Obama is violating The Bill of Rights in some specific example...and you got yourself a discussion....without that your just throwing muck and hoping something sticks.

servantforuse -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 12:47:46 PM)
I think that President Obama is doing exactly the right thing. What someone says in a campaign is one thing. Actually being President is another.Apparently secret wiretapping is needed, and Mr. Obama now knows this. His supporters will see it a bit differently though.

DomKen -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 1:02:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse State secret priviledge does indeed include wire tapping.. Actually it is about discovery in legal proceedings. Not about what methods the nation may use to gather intelligence. In short it allows the executive branch to refuse to divulge information despite a subpoena if they decide it involves state secrets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Secrets_Privilege So as I said above you're making stuff up.

Owner59 -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 1:12:54 PM)
One would think that cons would be happy about this....but are they?..... [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] Nope.

slvemike4u -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 1:32:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse State secret priviledge does indeed include wire tapping.. Actually it is about discovery in legal proceedings. Not about what methods the nation may use to gather intelligence. In short it allows the executive branch to refuse to divulge information despite a subpoena if they decide it involves state secrets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Secrets_Privilege So as I said above you're making stuff up. Thanks Ken,when I reread my reply it wasn't too clear was it........

servantforuse -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 5:39:18 PM)
There are a few on here that think that I made up my original post. I guess we shall see. It is still very interesting to me. I guess President Obama will have to explain why the wiretapping was so bad when Bush was President, but it is ok now. He will use the 'state secrets priviledge' to justify it, and I am one republican that is glad that he saw the light..The security of this great Country depends on it..

TheHeretic -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 6:10:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 One would think that cons would be happy about this....but are they?..... [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] Nope. Says who, O59? You? I expect President Obama to do what is necessary in the interests of national security. I'm finding comfort in seeing him set aside the rhetoric to do what needs doing. And I smile with a bit of schadenfreude every times he chucks another group of his early whacko base under the bus. [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 7:40:32 PM)
There are buses?Nobody said anything about no stinking busses.

DomKen -> RE: More 'change' (4/13/2009 9:02:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse There are a few on here that think that I made up my original post. I guess we shall see. It is still very interesting to me. I guess President Obama will have to explain why the wiretapping was so bad when Bush was President, but it is ok now. He will use the 'state secrets priviledge' to justify it, and I am one republican that is glad that he saw the light..The security of this great Country depends on it.. You don't seem to be getting it. Once more, the state secrets privilege allows the government to not reveal information that is determined to be a state secret. A law being considered by Congress would change the details of the privilege and Obama has apparently shown no great affection for the bill. This has nothing what so ever to do with continuing illegal wiretaps. Bush claimed that program ended and various parts of his administration testified to that under oath.

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