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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/16/2009 6:30:41 PM

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Are those the only options?

Do feel free to expand upon the possibilities, Full.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/16/2009 6:52:52 PM

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I don’t have a problem with giving a hungry man a fish. I do have a problem with the government telling me I have to given him a fish. I have a problem with anybody who calls me greedy because I didn’t give him two fish. I don’t have a problem with teaching a man to fish, in fact, I’m going to start to demand that he learn if he keeps coming back every day for one of my fish (there comes a point where charity is nothing more than being taken advantage of).

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/16/2009 7:22:22 PM

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I'm not giving anyone any bloody fish because it will screw up my political manifesto.

Have a sausage instead.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/17/2009 7:49:01 AM

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As I prepare my boat and tackle for a day's fishing, I would bring that hungry person with me. They would watch how I operated my gear and salivate at the bounty I've gathered. I would then give them some of my gear for them to have a go at it themselves. Once I've reached the amount of fish I'm comfortable with, I'll jump overboard and swim back to shore with my catch (having left behind a few choice fish -- just in case the hungry person isn't as proficient with the gear as I).

Once upon shore with my catch, I'd explain to the curious onlookers that it was through the efforts of the man in the boat that I have enough fish to keep me happy. Believing my words, the onlookers would wade into the water and swim out to the boat to try and obtain their own plentiful catches from the man.

Moving my catch further inland I would put up signs pointing to the water which also advertise the man's efforts at providing fish for all.

Once I've cleared the throng, I would head out to other vacant waters and begin to fish for myself again... in peace.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/17/2009 2:10:49 PM

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Are those the only options?

Do feel free to expand upon the possibilities, Full.

We all know how Governments should work and to be fair as far as UK politics goes there isn't that big a difference between them there main parties. I've voted Labour since the first time I could vote back in 1997 when they swept to power by reinventing themselves and dropping the following clause of their constitution.

'To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service'

They were seen as the third way at the time which is now seen as the only way by all parties hence it isn't any longer about right or left, it's about ability to Govern and track record. Parties try desperately to set themselves apart but all the voters really care about is that they are competent and not corrupt.

I think the longer a government stays in power the more corrupt they become and the more they lose sight of who put them there in the first place. Mark my words Labour will not win the next election and as a lifelong Labour supporter I'm not that fussed because we are about due for a change and perhaps the new government will not make me feel like such a criminal or think that they themselves are above reproach. Quite frankly political philosophy has never been as important to me as political competence. I want a government that will admit it's mistakes rather than try to cover them up or sling mud at the opposition to turn attention away from their shameful personal allowances. I want a government that is innovative and forward thinking in how they solve problems facing us and the world.

That is all I care about.

It’s a shame because Gordon Brown seems a fine upstanding member of the Labour party, a worthy PM that I would vote for but he has surrounded himself with pond scum and that can’t be easily forgiven.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/17/2009 2:36:57 PM

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      Forget about party affiliations and non-affiliations, where would you say you fall among the following options?

(Yes, I started a thread like this once before, but even if go find it in the archives and bump it, it wouldn't be here in PnR)

     A liberal will gave a man a fish, a conservative will teach a man to fish, a socialist thinks the gov't needs to control the processing and distribution as well as the catching, and a libertarian might put up a sign that says "this way to the ocean."

    Which theory best fits your opinion of how government should work?

This liberal will invest a fish in return for future contribution toward the fishing industry.

Rich, you should do more reading on the subject of Liberalism.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/17/2009 6:15:44 PM

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Rich, you should do more reading on the subject of Liberalism.

North, that is like telling a former Christian he needs to read the Bible.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/17/2009 10:21:34 PM

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We all know how Governments should work

         Huh? Then what exactly are we all disagreeing about on regular basis?

    A few more possibilities, I guess.

     Communism; The government not only owns and operates the fishing, processing and distrubution, they also tell you how much to eat, and what to watch on TV while you chew. Maoism;   Those who know how to fish are replaced with accountants. Fascism; The gov't lets Ven keep her fish-farm, and gives her a good price on conscripted labor. Collectivism;   Those who cannot catch fish had better do a very good job sucking off the ones who can. Stalinism; Those who can catch fish are the oppressors and must be purged. Capitalism; There will always be unlimited fish in the sea.

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RE: Political Philosophy - 4/18/2009 3:36:52 AM

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Rich, you should do more reading on the subject of Liberalism.

North, that is like telling a former Christian he needs to read the Bible.

Believing that 'liberals' want to give something for nothing and 'conservatives' are a teaching organisation, is a fair, old narrow view of the two ideas.

I don't know anyone who gives something without expecting a return. In addition, Liberalism is a broad spectrum of political thought, though in the event reducing political philosophies to base prejudice serves your ends, then crack on mate.

As said earlier, my view is that cutting off a section of society is counter-productive, though the expectation is that investment maximises the number of people contributing; which is pretty much in line with the business proposition that you earn a return through investment.

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