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servantforuse -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:11:48 AM)

AT&T has nearly 300,000 employees. That's a lot of good paying jobs supporting a lot of families in the country. There might be some here on collarme that might actually wish they were working there.



kittinSol -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:39:42 AM)

AT&T aren't providing some kind of charity by employing people. Do you agree?



servantforuse -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:45:28 AM)

The only reason that AT&T or any other company, big or small hire and pay employees is because they need them. They are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. They still must answer to the share holders who own the company. AT&T gives millions to charities and scholorships though. 



kittinSol -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:47:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
AT&T gives millions to charities and scholorships though. 


Tax deductible millions :-) .



servantforuse -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 10:07:02 AM)

Yes, kitten, those donations are indeed tax deductions for at&t..



stella41b -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 10:19:32 AM)

[insert one syllable word] _________________ OFF



popeye1250 -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 11:21:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I'm not buying anymore of your stuff until you move your factories back to the U.S.
Get stuffed!


Ah it will never happen popeye. BB will never bring back manufacturing to the US, it has gone on far too long and they've invested too much in other countries. There has to be a new focus (no, I don't know what that should be but my mind leans toward the medical field. Especially if we can start using stem cell research) for industry here, but it won't be bringing back factories or even call centers. It simply is not cost efficient.

My message is:
Yeah I get it that just about everything is being produced offshore, but doesn't that mean that your costs are lower?
Yup I thought so.
Therefore since your costs are lower dammit you need to start making OUR costs as customers lower!



Camille, all those "free trade deals" were never intended as trade deals.
They were intended as "outsourcing" deals right from the gitgo!
When they passed that "Cafta" crap a few years ago Hanes underware moved out of S. Carolina the very next month and moved to Honduras.
They use the name "Kirkland" on their packaging at Costco but it says "Made in Honduras" on them so I don't buy.
The achilles heel that we need to go after is all those "free trade deals". I never saw the American People demonstrating in the streets demanding more free trade, did you?
Or writing their congressmen and senators! Again, it was the lobbyists and big business digging themselves into our govt.
Lots of the libs "love" Bill Clinton but he singlehandedly killed millions of jobs with that "NAFTA" crap!
If you look back on the things he did I think the libs were in love with a Republican!
The American People never wanted "NAFTA", there was a tremendous amount of opposition to it.
Free-trade hasn't made my life any better.The quality of my life is supposed to be "improved" because I can buy cheap sneakers from foreign countries?
They keep telling us that  but the only ones who gain by all of this are businesses.
It's like the govt. and big business are getting together and telling us what's "good" for us.
Our govt hasn't been listening to The People for a long time now!
And what is one of the first things Pres. Obama does? Bailout the wealthy!



SilverMark -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 11:36:06 AM)

Popeye, far be it for me to correct your dislike of NAFTA, although I do believe to some degree your hatred is misdirected, but
in blaming Clinton for the most part you are incorrect. The real negotion of NAFTA belongs to the Bush Family:In December 1992 NAFTA was signed by the leaders of the three countries—Brian Mulroney of Canada, Carlos Salinas de Gortari of Mexico, and George H. W. Bush of the United States. Despite approval from national leaders, the agreement would not be made effective until the legislatures in all three countries had also voted to accept it.<Encarta> Now it did have to be passed by Congress and indeed Pres. Clinton signed it....
Of all of the costs of NAFTA the biggest financial losers are thought to be Mexico as opposed to the USA...but, if you look hard enough perhaps you are correct on where your underwear comes from...or you could go Commando....depending on preference...



kittinSol -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 11:47:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
but, if you look hard enough perhaps you are correct on where your underwear comes from...or you could go Commando....depending on preference...


Alternatively, he could always knit his own. The crochetted look is in this summer :-) .



popeye1250 -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 12:00:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Popeye, far be it for me to correct your dislike of NAFTA, although I do believe to some degree your hatred is misdirected, but
in blaming Clinton for the most part you are incorrect. The real negotion of NAFTA belongs to the Bush Family:In December 1992 NAFTA was signed by the leaders of the three countries—Brian Mulroney of Canada, Carlos Salinas de Gortari of Mexico, and George H. W. Bush of the United States. Despite approval from national leaders, the agreement would not be made effective until the legislatures in all three countries had also voted to accept it.<Encarta> Now it did have to be passed by Congress and indeed Pres. Clinton signed it....
Of all of the costs of NAFTA the biggest financial losers are thought to be Mexico as opposed to the USA...but, if you look hard enough perhaps you are correct on where your underwear comes from...or you could go Commando....depending on preference...



Mark, you are correct.
However Bill Clinton (was) instrumental in pushing Nafta through a lame duck congress in,...'93-94?
Had he just ignored it it would have gone away.
But, he promised the American People "millions of high-paying manufacturing jobs" if it were passed!
The govt even counted the plants and equipment being dissasembled and shipped down to Mexico as "exports"!
Even former senator Phil Graham of Texas appologised for ever getting us involved in Nafta.
The problem is that *everyone knows* that Nafta was a bad deal right from the start and it's been what, 14 years now and we're *still* in it? WHEN are we getting out?
Talk about unresponsive government!
That's the problem with our govt. getting us involved in these things, once they start it never end like foreign aid.
There's a LOT of things in govt. that we simply need to get rid of or end.
They simply can't keep adding things ad infinitum.

It's not my intent to lay blame for NAFTA, I just want O-U-T of it.



CruelNUnsual -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 4:38:26 PM)

Dear BB:

If you can't survive without TARP or other bailouts then please just die a quiet death. If you can survive without it then tighten your belt and do it. Don't let the socialists in the Congress and the White House destroy what made the US the best country in the world. Have faith that enough people will wake up to vote them out, Though there is very little hope for the anti-capitalists on this board as their letters prove, this group is far from typical.



Crush -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 6:29:14 PM)

I'm sorry...there aren't enough bytes in the universe to say what I want to say to the bean counters that only counted beans and MBAs that  just mastered "short term profit" without considering "longevity."

....



ShaharThorne -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 7:43:00 PM)

Dear BB:

If the mooning during the nightly news is not enough, here is this ..i.. and a lovely bugger off for misappropraiting(?) funds to give the folks who did wrong lollipops for screwing you over.

AIG, I have dealt with you professionally and personally for years and I can believe you still have that IV of green on your arm. One of these days, its going to get yanked out! Hope the underpaid nurses know to get some then!



MzMia -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 8:58:01 PM)

I don't have a message to big business, I have a message to "Joe Citizen".
Nafta, Shafta, and similar trade "deal's", have screwed many up the Assta.
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I don't know of any citizens that were promoting or happy about what was going on.
I really don't think the average American had or has any idea how much these "free trade"
deals have screwed the "worker bees".
 
As the unemployment numbers continue to rise, many are going to eventually realize we have been screwed up the assta.
 
I am not against all free trade, I think there should be free trade, but it should be monitored and
regulated with the citizens who are losing record numbers of jobs in mind.
These deals were done for big business, with basically no regard on how it would effect the worker bees.
Nafta, Shafta, has screwed many up the Assta, for generations to come.
What many of the "clueless" don't understand, is that all those jobs that "went" oversea's were
basically replaced by fewer lower paying service related jobs.
Now I sit back and wait to see where the hell all these unemployed people are going to be working.

We are basically a service based economy here in America.
Like one of the mayor's said, "What are we going to do now? Serve each other tea?"



servantforuse -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:07:42 PM)

I just do not understand the hatred of so called ' big business ' on this thread. Only about 20% of those working are employed by big corporations in this country. Every one else are employed by small and medium sized companies, or work for them selves. Are the big corporations laying off people, yes, but so are all of the small companies and privately owned companies. 



popeye1250 -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 9:23:59 PM)

Dear BB, how can you pay workers less and less and eliminate/export jobs and then complain when workers buy less and less of your products?


We shouldn't be giving money to banks, insurance cos. and brokerages.
We should be giving that money to everyone who's registered to vote say $25,000 each.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/17/2009 10:04:51 PM)

Dear "communications companies": Why is it that when I call customer service, the person I'm speaking to can barely speak my language?
YOU are a COMMUNICATIONS company. What that means is, communication is your business. When I have to spend half an hour trying to get through to a live person, and then when I FINALLY do, I can't understand that person, nor they I,well...I tend to become frustrated.

Oh, and for all bb; for heaven's sake, the complaints do not go away if you make it harder to contact you. We only become more frustrated. Put your contact numbers out there for the world to see, hell, we can find them on Google in a hot minute anyway. When we do call you, don't keep looping us back to the machine. If the machine could fix it we woulda done that in the first place. Stress to your customer service people that your customers are the only thing you have; for without us, none of you would have jobs.



servantforuse -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/18/2009 7:12:39 AM)

at&t is a company that out sourced some call answer centers over seas. I believe those jobs went to India. The noise heard from upset customers was deafening. When I was leaving there about 18 months ago, plans were in the works to bring those jobs back on shore. Our shore where they should be.  



popeye1250 -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/18/2009 10:38:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Dear "communications companies": Why is it that when I call customer service, the person I'm speaking to can barely speak my language?
YOU are a COMMUNICATIONS company. What that means is, communication is your business. When I have to spend half an hour trying to get through to a live person, and then when I FINALLY do, I can't understand that person, nor they I,well...I tend to become frustrated.

Oh, and for all bb; for heaven's sake, the complaints do not go away if you make it harder to contact you. We only become more frustrated. Put your contact numbers out there for the world to see, hell, we can find them on Google in a hot minute anyway. When we do call you, don't keep looping us back to the machine. If the machine could fix it we woulda done that in the first place. Stress to your customer service people that your customers are the only thing you have; for without us, none of you would have jobs.


Blushes, that's a good one!
Who hasn't had to call for service or questions and the next thing you know you're talking to "Charlie" in Bangalore India?
"Your name is Charlie?"
"Oh, yes, yes, all my life eet has been!"
Then you explain your problem and it's all down hill from there! In exasperation I'd say at the end of the "not-conversation", "Ok, Charlie, fuck you very much!"
"Vut dees mean, "fuck you very much?"
"It means like "good luck to you, Charlie!"
"Oh, ok, fuck you veddy much too!"
"Thankyou Charlie!" (lol)



Vendaval -> RE: Your message to big business! (4/18/2009 12:49:25 PM)

"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remember that your first objective was to drain the swamp."



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