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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Here are my thoughts:

* These are professionals and/or scammers that know that they will get a reaction if they appeal to the submissive side of men -- the harder, faster, more abrasive and demanding, the better. Easier to catch the weaker ones hook, line and sinker.

* These are men demanding fantasy material by pretending to be femdoms.

* These are honestly misguided women that think this is the way you meet, greet and approach submissive men.

Does anyone else have any ideas?

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Honestly...have you ever gotten an email from a femdom (stranger) and it was worded aggressively, slightly demanding

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and did it arouse something in you and engage your interest?

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yeh no kidding i know a homme made close to 30g+ in 1 month. she had a coupe hot clients, of course being an alchoholic binged and p*ssed all away almost as fast lol

sounds fantastic but a tru story!

Gee, I wonder why she drank so much? Could it be that living that kind of lifestyle and catering to male sub fantasies night after night after night would drive someone into drugs, alcohol or depression?

That's the point. VERY FEW pro femdoms work long enough hours/days to make a huge living. The burn out rate is so high among pro femdoms that most only do it for a few years or do it sporadically/short hours. Your earlier post with the calculations was totally ignorant. Why not do some research and find out about the real lifestyle for a pro femdom, such as:

* Cost of overhead
* Per cent of flakes/no shows
* Threat of prosecution
* Lack of career longevity or longterm outlook
* Requirement of attending parties, functions, networking in evenings
* Burn out
* Risk of health due to stalkers, wackos and other safety issues

Subs love to calculate the per/hour fee and fantasize about what it must be like to be a woman able to see clients all day long and engage in fantasy play for good money.

Pros earn every dollar they get. They should charge more money for what they do.

Akasha

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To me, the totally down to earth approach *is* seductive. Man cannot live by kink alone.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yeh no kidding i know a homme made close to 30g+ in 1 month. she had a coupe hot clients, of course being an alchoholic binged and p*ssed all away almost as fast lol

sounds fantastic but a tru story!

Gee, I wonder why she drank so much? Could it be that living that kind of lifestyle and catering to male sub fantasies night after night after night would drive someone into drugs, alcohol or depression?

That's the point. VERY FEW pro femdoms work long enough hours/days to make a huge living. The burn out rate is so high among pro femdoms that most only do it for a few years or do it sporadically/short hours. Your earlier post with the calculations was totally ignorant. Why not do some research and find out about the real lifestyle for a pro femdom, such as:

* Cost of overhead
* Per cent of flakes/no shows
* Threat of prosecution
* Lack of career longevity or longterm outlook
* Requirement of attending parties, functions, networking in evenings
* Burn out
* Risk of health due to stalkers, wackos and other safety issues

Subs love to calculate the per/hour fee and fantasize about what it must be like to be a woman able to see clients all day long and engage in fantasy play for good money.

Pros earn every dollar they get. They should charge more money for what they do.

Akasha

You know i think i am just going to sit by the wayside and let aakaska tell my story for me. Hell she knows more about my life and the people in it better than i do!!!

NO she was an alkee when she was a sub PROIR to getting into the industry. Her drinking was so bad her Dom dumped her.

Well the pro's i know personally are still doing it including her and this happened about 20 years ago roughly. Take it back one retired so far.

Yep i guess the jig is up, you really got me pegged alright!!! you are really something!! What i have no idea.

i was very close friends with 2 pro dommes,(well dated 1), oh make that 3 i forgot one. and i set up their business and accounting systems and maintained their computers, helped enter in accounting data. (thats the money they made), built furniture, helped with many scenes with clients, did photo setups and shoots, wrote articles for her magazine, on top of playing domestic slut, serving at parties and functions, and i did this for a combined total of 12 years. Oh no actually there was no meter running either way we are friends and i pretty much just hung out and putzed around there.

as far as all that itemized crap you listed i wish thats all i had to worry about. sheesh rough life for a stricken paranoia huh? i have to live with the possible threat of spilling my coffee every day.

If thats to much to handle, burger king would be a smart career move. they have a full benefit package you know, but you still have much of the same overhead like:

* Cost of buying a uniform
* Per cent of flakes/no tips
* Threat of prosecution if you rip off the till or hook
* Lack of career longevity or longterm outlook
* Burn out
* Risk of health due to stalkers, wackos and other safety issues like slipping while mopping the floor.

Overhead? what overhead? slaves buy it all, tax free. The only overhead is a part of the basement used for the dungeon and your fantastic imagination.

Cash payments never get reported to the irs, so they are ripping all of us off because no taxes are paid on the majority of the money they take in.

Did it ever occur to you that your time just might be better spent pulling your head out of yer azz rather than trying to bust mine?

Anything else you would like to spout off about me or my life or my friends?

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i dont understand it when guys say they are not contacted by them i find that surprizing. maybe things are a changin.

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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81
BAH... talk about gettin heads outta a$$es..

"overhead" is money used to set up a business ;)

and no..the storefront space/dungeon space isnt the ONLY overhead they would have to worry about..
your not taking into consideration ....
insurance, for both the building itself.. and to protect the owners /operators from any unfortunate events that MAY happen
communications (telephone, internet/web site, etc etc),
staffing ( i doubt you were the ONLY one working there)
not to mention assorted taxes...
the monthly lease

and last but not least.. building maintenece.. cus lemme tell ya.. i would NOT wanna be strapped to a chair/table when one of your wonderful wiring jobs catches fire.. and everyones hauling a** to save theyre own skins :D

I'm sure the accounting software you used to "enter her accounting data" was free too ... just as im sure the computers she was probably using were free ;)

btw.. im sure she just waltzed into home depot in her leather outfit.... walked down the lumber aisle, bent over a few times.. and the clerks let her walk out with hundreds/thousands of dollars in building material

and yeah.. the threat of prosecution is VERY real.. for ANY number of reasons...so that means.. she MAY have had to hire a legal team.. more than likely to help write out service contracts/agreements.. cus i SERIOUSLY doubt any contract she herself wrote would stand up in court to an expirienced lawyer.. IF something should happen to one of her clients...cus im sure it wouldnt be hard to find a lawyer that would SHRED through a contract that was self written ;)

furthermore.. im reasonably (read 90%) sure that she would have to register her buisness with the govt.. regardless if most of the income was made off the books..so now you get to add on govt taxes as well :)


Not to mention proving to the irs where this "30g" a month came from... it HAD to come from somewhere...and if she didnt/doesnt show where it came from.. i got 2 words for you..

tax
evasion

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


If thats to much to handle, burger king would be a smart career move. they have a full benefit package you know, but you still have much of the same overhead like:

* Cost of buying a uniform
* Per cent of flakes/no tips
* Threat of prosecution if you rip off the till or hook
* Lack of career longevity or longterm outlook
* Burn out
* Risk of health due to stalkers, wackos and other safety issues like slipping while mopping the floor.

Overhead? what overhead? slaves buy it all, tax free. The only overhead is a part of the basement used for the dungeon and your fantastic imagination.

Cash payments never get reported to the irs, so they are ripping all of us off because no taxes are paid on the majority of the money they take in.

Did it ever occur to you that your time just might be better spent pulling your head out of yer azz rather than trying to bust mine?

Anything else you would like to spout off about me or my life or my friends?

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Does anyone else have any ideas?
What do sub men think of this approach? Honestly...have you ever gotten an email from a femdom (stranger) and it was worded aggressively, slightly demanding -- and did it arouse something in you and engage your interest?

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
So if that was you....

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Wow, huge ignorance here about running a business vs. working for Burger King. You really have no idea about taxes, overhead, threat of prosecution, or anything related to the pro domme world; hell, you don't even know about how working at "Burger King" is different. Apparently you have little job experience or are not aware of any of the forms you sign when you work for an employer.

It's really funny -- the point about cash not being reported to the IRS. I sure hope you don't become an agent for a pro femdom.

Akasha

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9) service contracts and agreements??????? what freakin attorney is going to write out a service contract that isnt worth the paper its written on in a courtroom? do you actually think these slave contracts hold up in court? Even if they are written in a manner that does not include the words slave they are easily broken in court.

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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81

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9) service contracts and agreements??????? what freakin attorney is going to write out a service contract that isnt worth the paper its written on in a courtroom? do you actually think these slave contracts hold up in court? Even if they are written in a manner that does not include the words slave they are easily broken in court.

Wow.. so then all i gotta do is find these dommes that are your friends.. sign up for a session.. fake a heart attack, and easy living eh? seein as theres nothing stopping me from suing them.. and anything i sign "isnt worth the paper its written on" so lets see.. now that ive conned your friend outta 250k, + pain and suffering.. guess its easy living for me eh?

your the one getting your panties in a bunch.. not me..

best wishes :)

*bp*

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


When I hear stories about submissive men being approached online by femdoms with a huge "you are a slave, I am a femdom" demeanor, I wonder what exactly is going on. Are there women that are believing this to be true? That because she is emailing a submissive (who doesn't know her from Adam), he must immediately submit?

We (femdoms who are sincere in our desires, level headed) try and try and try to discourage sub men from addressing "all femdoms" as "Mistress," we encourage them to send level headed, non-worshipful emails as an introduction, and we suggest that the best way to approach a femdom is as a woman first and foremost -- and not to assume any role.

Meanwhile, what is going on then on the other end? Who are these women that are barking orders in the first email, or demanding submission out of the gate? Who are these women that send a total stranger an email that says, "You must respond to me within 24 hours and address me as Mistress or you will be blocked."

Here are my thoughts:

* These are professionals and/or scammers that know that they will get a reaction if they appeal to the submissive side of men -- the harder, faster, more abrasive and demanding, the better. Easier to catch the weaker ones hook, line and sinker.

* These are men demanding fantasy material by pretending to be femdoms.

* These are honestly misguided women that think this is the way you meet, greet and approach submissive men.

Does anyone else have any ideas?
What do sub men think of this approach? Honestly...have you ever gotten an email from a femdom (stranger) and it was worded aggressively, slightly demanding -- and did it arouse something in you and engage your interest?

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I think we really need to take a good look at how our new lady friend fits in with our family and life-long friends.

Now... I know there are plenty of guys out there that are practically foaming at the mouth ready to tell these ladies that they don't care about anything else and they are ready to drop everything in order to be with her....

Really? I highly doubt it. Maybe a few of you would... but based on my discussions with six or seven of the quality women here.... most that would say that, lie through their teeth and live in a fantasy world.

I know that I want my friends and family to like her and be involved in our lives. And the same goes for her friends and family -- Again... it's both unhealthy and pure fantasy to believe that you, her and kink are the only occupants.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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i dont understand it when guys say they are not contacted by them i find that surprizing. maybe things are a changin.

I'm not saying that you are the same guy.... but about six months ago a poster with a very similar moniker to yours was posting on the board with the same ''bitch.''

If I remember correctly.... his profile was actually creative and well written until I scrolled down to the part where he was advertising to many thousands of women {and perspective cons} exactly how much money he { It was a decent chunk of change} made and his net worth in dollars and cents.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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i dont understand it when guys say they are not contacted by them i find that surprizing. maybe things are a changin.

I'm not saying that you are the same guy.... but about six months ago a poster with a very similar moniker to yours was posting on the board with the same ''bitch.''

If I remember correctly.... his profile was actually creative and well written until I scrolled down to the part where he was advertising to many thousands of women {and perspective cons} exactly how much money he { It was a decent chunk of change} made and his net worth in dollars and cents.

*W* I have been having this exact thought. We seem to be on the same page here! Alas, he denies the fact of it. So there must be many boys with these same attitudes. How discouraging! *S*

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Actually, I didn't mean to say any such thing. Since you had denied it, I was simply lamenting the fact that so many boys have the same poor attitude.
*Does not care to engage RealOne any further, in this, or any other thread*

Have a nice evening.