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CelticPrince -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/27/2009 6:43:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

I cannot automatically assign failure to a relationship that ended just because it ended. Some were great and still ultimately ran their natural course. I actually feel a little sorry for folks who grade their past encounters on a "pass/fail" basis like this where the only measure of a relationship's success is its longevity.


DomImus,

An interesting position! it ended just because! Is that to say that an ended relationship just withered without reason?

CP


When I examine my past relationships I see that the reason they ended, not failed but ended, is because we were no longer travelling in the same direction.  Sometimes that realisation came quickly, sometimes abruptly, sometimes a lingering nagging feeling before realisation.  But down to the core, it was not having common goals for the relationship.  Often, people just want a relationship so badly that they misstate their goals, not a deliberate lie but a desire so deep that they think by saying will make it so.  It's not failure, it's a lesson.  I think that once we accept that no relationship is forever, we can relax, be ourselves, be honest and simply enjoy the companionship of others for as long as it lasts.


eysopened,

As usual a pretty cogent observation on the thread point. I rank this one right up there with that observation about ketting kicked to the curb. thanks for your input.

CP




ShiftedJewel -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/27/2009 7:01:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Oh gosh... so many people have already answered for me... Misplaced trust is a biggie right now, huge baggage there. And I take people at face value most of the time, or at least, I used to. And we do have a tendency to move to fast... I'd love to say it's a lack of communication, I really would... but that wasn't the case. It was more the case of fantasy based communication and never having known anyone so deeply involved with such a fantasy we took it at face value. Lesson learned.
 
And yeah, I tend to attract psychos...
 
Jewel


Jewel,

Within your note lies a big catalyst, moving to fast!! thanks for your input.

CP


I'm not real sure what you mean when you say "big catalyst" here... My husband and I moved a lot faster then that... After two dates and one long weekend together we moved in together, the day after his divorce was final we got married and we've never been happier. So moving fast isn't always a bad thing, hell, I've talked to people for months, a few for over a year, getting to know them only to have it fall apart fairly quick after taking that next step. Time really has nothing to do with it. Move fast, take you time and move at a snails pace... doesn't really matter. What matters is the ability to communicate honestly and openly and the desire to make it work, to work through any issue calmly and persistantly and to actually BE tenacious, not just make that claim. Ok, yeah, some baggage there... lol
 
Jewel




Padriag -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/27/2009 8:20:09 PM)

For my last relationship, which did end badly, I'd have to say it was because of bad timing.  I was at a point in my life where I had so much going on, so many other demands on my time, and worst of all far too much stress.  Trying to begin a new relationship with a slave (who had problems of her own) in the middle of that was simply a recipe for disaster... and not surprisingly, it ended up that way.  I knew better and I should have made her wait another 6 - 12 months... had I done so things might have turned out differently in multiple areas of my life (not just the relationship, I made some poor choices elsewhere as well).  If she couldn't have waited... oh well, I should have let her go.  As it turned out, she ran off and found herself another "owner" anyway, so had I let her go I'd not really have lost anything, but we might still be friends (which we aren't). 

The lesson I learned was that I needed to make some choices for myself and prioritize.  As one friend put it, I was trying to ride too many horses at once.   Since then I've been slowing down some and taking things one or two "horses" at a time.




Vendaval -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/27/2009 8:35:21 PM)

Some of the common problems have been interference from family members on either side and lack of self-awareness on either part.




Wolffeman -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 9:23:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

There are few of those that come to CM and the other sites that have not had at least one relationship that was promising in the beginning  fall into the abyss of ruined relationships. This question is for all, be yee male, fem, sub/slave or Sir,Master/Ma'am. What was the principle cause in your case.
I believe there would be a fairly standard percentage that fall within a catagory or two and of course there will be some folks that will skip over this opportunity to contribute because they never had a failed relationship.

There is no blame to be assigned, just a possible thread to read for those less experienced.

CP


In my case it was my sub's desire to engage in breath control, specifically via choking and plastic bags.  Ultimately this is one of the things that drove a wedge between us.  I refused to indulge her in this activity.  Why did I refuse her?  Because it almost caused her death at the hands of another without my knowledge while I was busy elsewhere. It happened even though I had made sure my feelings on it were clear and understood.  It happened at the hands of another who was supposedly very experienced with the activity, but of course was not.  The craving she felt for this was obviously stronger than my will, my wishes, my reasons.  There were other items of note, but this was the proverbial straw. 

Hindsight is indeed 20-20.




tiinkerbell -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 9:59:22 AM)

For my ex and I, there is really no where that blame can be placed; we both contributed to the disintegration. I could list a laundry of reasons, but it really comes down to the fact that we were both too young for the responsibilities that we tried to force on ourselves at the time




Padriag -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 10:02:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tiinkerbell

I could list a laundry of reasons, but it really comes down to the fact that we were both too young for the responsibilities that we tried to force on ourselves at the time

Yeah, but you live and you learn and you grow.  We all walk that road.  Sounds like you're learning from your mistakes and that will eventually lead to a better future.

BTW, welcome to the forums.




CelticPrince -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 10:14:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Oh gosh... so many people have already answered for me... Misplaced trust is a biggie right now, huge baggage there. And I take people at face value most of the time, or at least, I used to. And we do have a tendency to move to fast... I'd love to say it's a lack of communication, I really would... but that wasn't the case. It was more the case of fantasy based communication and never having known anyone so deeply involved with such a fantasy we took it at face value. Lesson learned.
 
And yeah, I tend to attract psychos...
 
Jewel


Jewel,

Within your note lies a big catalyst, moving to fast!! thanks for your input.

CP


I'm not real sure what you mean when you say "big catalyst" here... My husband and I moved a lot faster then that... After two dates and one long weekend together we moved in together, the day after his divorce was final we got married and we've never been happier. So moving fast isn't always a bad thing, hell, I've talked to people for months, a few for over a year, getting to know them only to have it fall apart fairly quick after taking that next step. Time really has nothing to do with it. Move fast, take you time and move at a snails pace... doesn't really matter. What matters is the ability to communicate honestly and openly and the desire to make it work, to work through any issue calmly and persistantly and to actually BE tenacious, not just make that claim. Ok, yeah, some baggage there... lol
 
Jewel


Jewel,

Of course there are success stories that moved with the speed of light; however if one put it under a bell curve, methinks there would be a large group within the 2nd standard diviation for failures.

CP




tiinkerbell -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 10:27:17 AM)

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Yeah, but you live and you learn and you grow.  We all walk that road.  Sounds like you're learning from your mistakes and that will eventually lead to a better future.

BTW, welcome to the forums.

That is very true. The learning curve may be wide and long, but it is one that must be walked.
 
And thank you kindly for the welcome [:)]




CelticPrince -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 1:34:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

For my last relationship, which did end badly, I'd have to say it was because of bad timing.  I was at a point in my life where I had so much going on, so many other demands on my time, and worst of all far too much stress.  Trying to begin a new relationship with a slave (who had problems of her own) in the middle of that was simply a recipe for disaster... and not surprisingly, it ended up that way.  I knew better and I should have made her wait another 6 - 12 months... had I done so things might have turned out differently in multiple areas of my life (not just the relationship, I made some poor choices elsewhere as well).  If she couldn't have waited... oh well, I should have let her go.  As it turned out, she ran off and found herself another "owner" anyway, so had I let her go I'd not really have lost anything, but we might still be friends (which we aren't). 

The lesson I learned was that I needed to make some choices for myself and prioritize.  As one friend put it, I was trying to ride too many horses at once.   Since then I've been slowing down some and taking things one or two "horses" at a time.


Padriag,

Where you been lad? I've not seen much of you on the boards / but then your reply suggests why. Indeed we do at times make poor choices with our available time.

CP




Padriag -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 5:49:47 PM)

Well, as I hinted... I've been extremely busy.  Here's the short condensed version...

First I moved to VA
Bought a house which I gutted and completely remodelled.
Then I started a construction company here and hired on a crew.
Then I got tangled up in a bad real estate deal due to a misfiled deed, which cost my time and money.
Then I opened a coffee shop.
Then the bottom fell out of the economy and the construction company folded.
Dealt with aftermath of that.
Opened a Civic center in town and began having weekly concerts (mostly heavy metal, you should see the collection of t-shirts I'm getting... not to mention the bands I get to hang out with)
Then McDs put in an espresso machine... and shortly there after the coffee shop folded.  Did NOT see that one coming.
Dealt with the aftermath of that.
Started major rennovations on the civic center.
Got an offer from an investor to buy said civic center which I'm seriously considering (3x what I invested in one year... I think I'd be stupid not to take it).

Amid this I had a slave I met here on CM come for a visit... which never quite ended and she moved in.  But with all the other shit going on, the stress, the distractions, dealing with a former employee who was robbing me (he's now in prison), and a lot of other stuff... the relationship just didn't survive it.  I didn't have the time to really create and maintain a well structured D/s dynamic, she ended up stressed and frustrated too... and there were some personality conflicts.  All in all, it was just too much.

That's the short version.... I'm skipping a lot.  So yeah... I been absent for awhile. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif[/image]  I work waaaaaaay too much.  But I've been working to build the financial stability to be able to slow down and have the kind of lifestyle I want, including the D/s dynamic I want... and that may not be too far away now.  A lot hinges on this next deal.

But right now, I'm on vacation... so here I am. [:)]  




bamabbwsub -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 5:59:02 PM)

I don't tend to have a lot of relationships, as I try to choose as wisely as I can, but my relationships tend to last a pretty good while.

My last D/s relationship ended because he had no ambition -- wouldn't get a job, wouldn't go back to school, and he wasn't very good at being a househusband.  I enjoy my job and make a good living, so I don't really care how much money a man makes.  But, he has to do something with his life!




Andalusite -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 6:12:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
When I examine my past relationships I see that the reason they ended, not failed but ended, is because we were no longer travelling in the same direction.  Sometimes that realisation came quickly, sometimes abruptly, sometimes a lingering nagging feeling before realisation.  But down to the core, it was not having common goals for the relationship.


I've had a couple of relationships end because the logistics just weren't working - they moved away for school or work, and we couldn't maintain the long distance, or they worked swing or graveyard while I worked days, etc. Or the chemistry just evaporated, or we had an imbalance of commitment/connection, or some such. Nobody's fault, and I parted on friendly terms with all but two of my ex-boyfriends. One of those two I'm still civil and polite to when we run into each other (we have mutual friends), the other has since passed away, but the rest are all caring, honorable men, and I'm glad I know them.




CelticPrince -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 7:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Some of the common problems have been interference from family members on either side and lack of self-awareness on either part.


Vendaval,

Now that is a new one; and I have seen it haoppen to a few couples.

CP




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 8:06:58 PM)

On relationship destruction...
Why do I feel like someone is forcing me to confession after all these years? [8D]

My relationships have fallen apart for 2 reasons:  The first isntances, have entailed real possibilities with gentlemen I met, before I knowing who I was at the core, and what I needed; so I killed those to the ground with neglect and poor behavior.   The latter instances, in more recent years, they've fallen apart because of my choosing poorly...   That, and being something of a restless soul, who needs more than the basics to consider someone compatible for long term.    M




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/28/2009 8:39:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

There are few of those that come to CM and the other sites that have not had at least one relationship that was promising in the beginning  fall into the abyss of ruined relationships. This question is for all, be yee male, fem, sub/slave or Sir,Master/Ma'am. What was the principle cause in your case.



I will not speak to any specific case, but I will outline what life has revealed to me as the key cancers that gobble up relationships:

• Conflicting morals or goals
• Lack of or ineffectual communication
• Manipulation and deception
• Substance abuse
• Off-the-wall reasoning or behavior
• Inability to empathize
• Lack of accountability
• No structure
• Poor leadership




CelticPrince -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/29/2009 8:43:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wolffeman

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

There are few of those that come to CM and the other sites that have not had at least one relationship that was promising in the beginning  fall into the abyss of ruined relationships. This question is for all, be yee male, fem, sub/slave or Sir,Master/Ma'am. What was the principle cause in your case.
I believe there would be a fairly standard percentage that fall within a catagory or two and of course there will be some folks that will skip over this opportunity to contribute because they never had a failed relationship.

There is no blame to be assigned, just a possible thread to read for those less experienced.

CP


In my case it was my sub's desire to engage in breath control, specifically via choking and plastic bags.  Ultimately this is one of the things that drove a wedge between us.  I refused to indulge her in this activity.  Why did I refuse her?  Because it almost caused her death at the hands of another without my knowledge while I was busy elsewhere. It happened even though I had made sure my feelings on it were clear and understood.  It happened at the hands of another who was supposedly very experienced with the activity, but of course was not.  The craving she felt for this was obviously stronger than my will, my wishes, my reasons.  There were other items of note, but this was the proverbial straw. 

Hindsight is indeed 20-20.



Wolf

Really interesting for me as the exact thing occured for me, except I walked away from it never to enter into it again. she is still engaging in it.

CP




MissJanice2 -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/29/2009 11:00:41 AM)

I think the ultimate deal breaker is simply misunderstood expectations on both parties.
I noticed when my two serious relationships and marriage came to an end, it was due to the individual's way of coping with  stress. 
When you live together or marry someone, things change.
That precious person you married or someone you are living with just turned into an ugly toad. 
My solution-separate housing and separate bank accounts. 
 
Best Wishes,
 
MJ




janiebelle -> RE: Relationship Destruction??? (4/29/2009 7:25:52 PM)

I can't say my D/s relationship failed.  It was destroyed, however, by the passing of my Dom last year.  So after a long marriage, I am looking for another Dom, not to take his place, but to fulfill me as a sub.  And I am not even sure how to go about finding a new D/s relationship.  My marriage was everything I needed, and I have no idea if another relationship will be attainable.




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