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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 2:30:50 PM   
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Many,were never interviewed ,as per standard operating procedure in any law enforcement scenario.

They had private jets fly around the country to collect them and then they left.


Private jets are not private jets, when the are under the command and jurisdiction of government agents.

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I don`t see how this can be explained in any context.


"Help our whacked out cousin has caused a shit storm and a mob may lynch us!!!" So political strings were pulled, they were rounded up by the FBI at a central location and then moved to another safe location until they could leave.

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I also can`t understand why anyone wouldn`t be suspicious.


Uh, because there was a huge multi-million dollar investigation and fact finding done.

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The last sentence of the snoops link bothers me.

"Most passengers were not interviewed"


Why does it bother you? Maybe a seperate topic and we can discuss it in detail. Maybe make it a broad one where we discuss political clout and how it is used by many in positions of power.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 3:33:07 PM   
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Hillary dropped the ball on 9/11 ?!?

I thought Condi was national security adviser at that time........

My bad.....


Yes, your bad. Shrillary was in the White House when the ball was dropped on Bin Laden, leading to 9.11.

Ridiculous comment to make....and derailing...
Simply disliking what Owner has to say doesn't make your comment correct nor truthful.
If Bill Clinton had his way as he has stated on numerous occasions Osama would have been killed, Hillary's status as First Lady is in no way related to 9/11....nor as you put it dropping the ball on 9/11....to follow your logic I guess Elanor Roosevelt had some effect on Pearl Harbor....


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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 3:51:07 PM   
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This sounds like Change I Can Believe In.  Its interesting how, the first statement to come out of the new White House after inauguration, said that no one from the Bush administration would be held liable for any war crimes, or subject to any censure or lawsuits.  The second thing to come out of the White House was that Guantanamo would remain open "for at least another year".  Then, he did change something, he took the label off of the war on terror, and now its just called "The War".  Hillary is the right man for the job when it comes to the globalist agenda, and since B.O. kept about a third of W's administration, we should expect exactly what we're experiencing.  They'll do anything to keep the system in place. 

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 4:46:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Hillary dropped the ball on 9/11 ?!?

I thought Condi was national security adviser at that time........

My bad.....


Yes, your bad. Shrillary was in the White House when the ball was dropped on Bin Laden, leading to 9.11.

Ridiculous comment to make....and derailing...
Simply disliking what Owner has to say doesn't make your comment correct nor truthful.
If Bill Clinton had his way as he has stated on numerous occasions Osama would have been killed, Hillary's status as First Lady is in no way related to 9/11....nor as you put it dropping the ball on 9/11....to follow your logic I guess Elanor Roosevelt had some effect on Pearl Harbor....



Bill consulted the shrill one on virtually every decision. She was certainly involved in the ones to let OBL go. It is correct, truthful and responsive to the Condi post.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 4:49:59 PM   
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This sounds like Change I Can Believe In.  Its interesting how, the first statement to come out of the new White House after inauguration, said that no one from the Bush administration would be held liable for any war crimes, or subject to any censure or lawsuits.  The second thing to come out of the White House was that Guantanamo would remain open "for at least another year".  Then, he did change something, he took the label off of the war on terror, and now its just called "The War".  Hillary is the right man for the job when it comes to the globalist agenda, and since B.O. kept about a third of W's administration, we should expect exactly what we're experiencing.  They'll do anything to keep the system in place. 

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Its not "The War" it is officially an "Overseas Contingency Operation"

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:14:42 PM   
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She was certainly involved in the ones to let OBL go.

You're making the gross assumption there was such a decision, or even that option.  Damn, you guys are still trotting out the old "Clinton was offered Bin Laden's head on a platter" nonsense? 

Fortunately for the reality-based community, Bush's own 9-11 Commission disagrees with the RW version of events:

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The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks on the United States (the 9-11 Commission) concluded

“In late 1995, when Bin Ladin was still in Sudan, the State Department and the CIA learned that Sudanese officials were discussing with the Saudi government the possibility of expelling Bin Ladin. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney encouraged the Sudanese to pursue this course. The Saudis, however, did not want Bin Ladin, giving as their reason their revocation of his citizenship.

Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. Ambassador Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel Bin Ladin [to the Saudis]. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment out-standing."

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm


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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:17:20 PM   
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She was certainly involved in the ones to let OBL go.

You're making the gross assumption there was such a decision, or even that option.  Damn, you guys are still trotting out the old "Clinton was offered Bin Laden's head on a platter" nonsense? 

Fortunately for the reality-based community, Bush's own 9-11 Commission disagrees with the RW version of events:

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The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks on the United States (the 9-11 Commission) concluded

“In late 1995, when Bin Ladin was still in Sudan, the State Department and the CIA learned that Sudanese officials were discussing with the Saudi government the possibility of expelling Bin Ladin. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney encouraged the Sudanese to pursue this course. The Saudis, however, did not want Bin Ladin, giving as their reason their revocation of his citizenship.

Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. Ambassador Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel Bin Ladin [to the Saudis]. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment out-standing."

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm




I heard the tape where he admitted it. Edit: and yes I heard the spin about the supposed explanation of the remark, which, like so much of Clinton's double speak, made no sense.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:20:56 PM   
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I heard the tape where he admitted it.

Who?

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:23:00 PM   
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I heard the tape where he admitted it.

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WJC

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:25:35 PM   
Cagey18


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I heard the tape where he admitted it.

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WJC

And you of course have a link for this alleged admission, or do you expect us to just take your word for it? 

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:28:26 PM   
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And you of course have a link for this alleged admission, or do you expect us to just take your word for it? 



Faith moves mountains. Meanwhile, my hand is just itching to give CNU a bloody good spanking .

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:35:09 PM   
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I don't think he deserves a spanking.....I, on the other hand am way overdue....

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:36:43 PM   
CruelNUnsual


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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

I heard the tape where he admitted it.

Who?



WJC

And you of course have a link for this alleged admission, or do you expect us to just take your word for it? 



"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton explained to a Feb. 15 Long Island Association luncheon.
"He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again.
"They released him," the ex-president confirmed.
"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.
"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have," Clinton explained. "But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."
 
The bolded is just one of several times he stated that there was no legal basis to hold OBL, which is a lie. OBL was already under indictment.  "I did not bring him here" can only mean he had the option to bring him here.

There was also an incident where OBL was being tracked by a spy plane and could have been taken out and WJC refused to give the order.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:42:32 PM   
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"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton explained to a Feb. 15 Long Island Association luncheon.
"He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again.
"They released him," the ex-president confirmed.
"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.
"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have," Clinton explained. "But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."
 
The bolded is just one of several times he stated that there was no legal basis to hold OBL, which is a lie. OBL was already under indictment.  "I did not bring him here" can only mean he had the option to bring him here.


So you would have him bring Bin Laden here, and then immediately let him go, since there was no legal basis to hold him?  What would be the point of that?  To show Bin Laden how pretty our airplanes look on the inside?


Edit to add:  AGAIN, I refer you to Bush's own National Commission on Terrorist Attacks on the United States (the 9-11 Commission)

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In late 1995, when Bin Ladin was still in Sudan, the State Department and the CIA learned that Sudanese officials were discussing with the Saudi government the possibility of expelling Bin Ladin. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney encouraged the Sudanese to pursue this course. The Saudis, however, did not want Bin Ladin, giving as their reason their revocation of his citizenship.

Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. Ambassador Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel Bin Ladin [to the Saudis]. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment outstanding."

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm



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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:45:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

I heard the tape where he admitted it.

Who?



WJC

And you of course have a link for this alleged admission, or do you expect us to just take your word for it? 



"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton explained to a Feb. 15 Long Island Association luncheon.
"He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again.
"They released him," the ex-president confirmed.
"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.
"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have," Clinton explained. "But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."
 
The bolded is just one of several times he stated that there was no legal basis to hold OBL, which is a lie. OBL was already under indictment.  "I did not bring him here" can only mean he had the option to bring him here.


So you would have him bring Bin Laden here, and then immediately let him go, since there was no legal basis to hold him?  What would be the point of that?  To show Bin Laden how pretty our airplanes look on the inside?





Repeat, with emphasis: HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INDICTMENT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:46:00 PM   
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Given subsequent events,perhaps a bad choice of words Cagey?

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:50:45 PM   
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Repeat, with emphasis: HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INDICTMENT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM

Repeat, with emphasis: The 9/11 Commission (once again) disagrees with you.  Did you neglect to read all the way to the end?  I made it big and bold above so you can't miss it.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:53:29 PM   
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Given subsequent events,perhaps a bad choice of words Cagey?

Not at all.  Holding Bin Laden for a few hours in 1996 without charges, and then returning him to the Sudan, would serve what purpose, exactly?

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 5:57:11 PM   
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Repeat, with emphasis: HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INDICTMENT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM

Repeat, with emphasis: The 9/11 Commission (once again) disagrees with you.  Did you neglect to read all the way to the end?  I made it big and bold above so you can't miss it.



I read it and the language was compromised from the original text in the spirit of a "bi-partisan" commission. Give me an alternative, plausible explanation for WJCs words.

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RE: Secretary Clinton warns of Mortal Threat - 5/7/2009 6:05:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

Repeat, with emphasis: HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INDICTMENT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY LEGAL BASIS TO HOLD HIM

Repeat, with emphasis: The 9/11 Commission (once again) disagrees with you.  Did you neglect to read all the way to the end?  I made it big and bold above so you can't miss it.



I read it and the language was compromised from the original text in the spirit of a "bi-partisan" commission. Give me an alternative, plausible explanation for WJCs words.

Nope, not playing that game.  Already gave you the 9/11 Commission own report to explain Clinton's words.  If you have trouble comprehending how "there was no indictment outstanding" synchs up with "we had no basis on which to hold him", then you're beyond help.

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