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Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 3:31:11 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

Just because perspective can be tricky for a lot of people when talking such big numbers.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 5:35:27 PM

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How's this for a little perspective?

Bush's final budget was $3.1 trillion compared to Obama's $3.5 trillion.

So somehow, I fail to get all the conservative hand-wringing and feigned fear that Obama will bankrupt the country and/or cause our children to be paying for his budget for years to come.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 5:43:11 PM

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Why is the response always "Bush's budget was high too!"

I was extremely critical of Bush's budget too, so it's distressing that the new budget is even higher.

I was in agreement with Harry Reid for instance that Bush's budget was fiscally irresponsible...so I was rather shocked when he turned around and spoke in support of Obama's even higher budget/deficit.

None of which really has anything to do with the point in the OP/video.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 5:51:29 PM

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I think it has everything to do with the point in the video.

The video was really trying to point out how large the budget was by using the cuts as a masquerade to do so.

And the fact the new budget is higher has a lot to do with how Bush funded the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan through separate appropriations bills without ever including them in the actual budget.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 5:53:52 PM

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No, the video was trying to point out how silly it is to make a big deal of a 100 million cut, which politicians can get away with due to people not understanding perspective.

If Bush had proposed a 100 million cut, the video would be equally applicable.

It's like a fat kid eating 12 big macs, half a dozen large fries, a 16 inch meatlover's pizza (double meat), but then opting for a diet coke.

It's laughable irregardless who the fat kid is.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 6:29:03 PM

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The new budget is higher because it's honest. Precisely because of this point, the Bush budget was bigger than they dared to acknowledge.

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And the fact the new budget is higher has a lot to do with how Bush funded the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan through separate appropriations bills without ever including them in the actual budget.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 6:32:40 PM

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And as said before - yes I agree the Bush's budget was too big. Why do you keep trying to turn it into a Bush vs Obama thing when my stance is that they're BOTH in the wrong?

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 6:56:57 PM

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Because Bush inherited a budget surplus and a budget plan that was on its way to reducing the national debt, and he decided tax cuts were the proper option, which turned the surplus into a deficit in one year.

A deficit he had every year in office.

Obama inherited the spending obligations Bush committed to and still managed to come in with a budget very close to Bush's, despite instituting proper accounting methods instead of Bush's budgetary games.

So no, they are not both wrong.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 7:06:05 PM

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In which case (assuming you're marginally correct), imagine what the budget might look like if Obama wasn't adding many hundreds of billions of spending obligations.

Yes, they are both wrong.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 7:11:51 PM

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FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

WASHINGTON – "That wasn't me," President Barack Obama said on his 100th day in office, disclaiming responsibility for the huge budget deficit waiting for him on Day One.

It actually was partly him — and the other Democrats controlling Congress the previous two years — who shaped the latest in a string of precipitously out-of-balance budgets.

And as a presidential candidate and president-elect, he backed the twilight Bush-era stimulus plan that made the deficit deeper, all before he took over and promoted spending plans that have made it much deeper still.

Obama met citizens at an Arnold, Mo., high school Wednesday in advance of his prime-time news conference. Both forums were a platform to review his progress at the 100-day mark and look ahead.

At various times, he brought an air of certainty to ambitions that are far from cast in stone.

His assertion that his proposed budget "will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term" is an eyeball-roller among many economists, given the uncharted terrain of trillion-dollar deficits and economic calamity that the government is negotiating...

(Full article here).

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 7:19:06 PM

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And as said before - yes I agree the Bush's budget was too big. Why do you keep trying to turn it into a Bush vs Obama thing when my stance is that they're BOTH in the wrong?

Because even Obama better Known as berry Feels and refures to it that way an old saying feed em shit and keep them in the dark oh yes and keep kicking the old dog whilest its down

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 7:23:36 PM

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Because Bush inherited a budget surplus and a budget plan that was on its way to reducing the national debt, and he decided tax cuts were the proper option, which turned the surplus into a deficit in one year.

A deficit he had every year in office.

Obama inherited the spending obligations Bush committed to and still managed to come in with a budget very close to Bush's, despite instituting proper accounting methods instead of Bush's budgetary games.

So no, they are not both wrong.

When 911 happened not a peep give the pres what he needs further down the road things get uglier as time goes on and on and gezz noone ever mentions MEANA or white water

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 8:25:31 PM

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When 911 happened not a peep give the pres what he needs further down the road things get uglier as time goes on and on and gezz noone ever mentions MEANA or white water

HUH?

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/29/2009 8:29:03 PM

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See, and you thought the AP was part of the liberal media conspiracy against conservatives.

If I have ever seen an article with a decidedly conservative bias, that was it.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 3:52:25 AM

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You're correct as far as generally, the AP does lean very left. It's interesting though how in the same post you try to condemn me for noticing bias while claiming you see it yourself...

And if you're going to claim bias why don't you prove it. Not every article that is critical of Obama is bias, as you seem to think. Obama's lies regarding his budget numbers, etc (the emperors naked ass) is going to garner more and more attention now that we're at the end of the president's traditional one hundred day honeymoon period.

The way this White House continuously drops the ball and then tries to spin the results, it could very well be that you are going to want to try to claim that practically everyone is "biased" by the end of this junior Senator's first term in the big leagues.

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See, and you thought the AP was part of the liberal media conspiracy against conservatives.

If I have ever seen an article with a decidedly conservative bias, that was it.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 4:19:03 AM

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How come they keep calling him Barry? there are GOP's in office who do not use their real first name. At least "Barry" has run for office under his real name, unlike certain GOP Governors

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 1:15:23 PM

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How come they keep calling him Barry? there are GOP's in office who do not use their real first name. At least "Barry" has run for office under his real name, unlike certain GOP Governors

Which name is that, Barry Soetoro? Oh my pardon, he only went to school under that name.

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 2:40:35 PM

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there are GOP's in office who do not use their real first name.

And there are Democrats in office who do not use their real first name too. A quick search came up with 3 democrat governors so far who use (or used) different names; and I'm sure more would come up if I cared enough to keep searching.

Which is silly anyways...who cares if they prefer a different name than what they were given at birth?

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 2:45:15 PM

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Yeah, cuz you know we all use our given names here too.........

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RE: Perspective on Obama's 100 million budget cut. - 4/30/2009 5:19:32 PM

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You're correct as far as generally, the AP does lean very left. It's interesting though how in the same post you try to condemn me for noticing bias while claiming you see it yourself...

And if you're going to claim bias why don't you prove it. Not every article that is critical of Obama is bias, as you seem to think.

OK, let me give it a shot.

No, not every article critical of Obama is biased.

There are things he has done I'm critical of.

Normally, in these "fact-check" reports, that have become so popular with the media, you will find a good percentage of those facts being checked to be favorable to the person being "fact-checked".

Did you see one fact anywhere in the article that agreed with Obama?

So, either Obama is the most dishonest person to ever walk the face of the Earth or the authors are deliberately trying to portray him as such.

I think this quote from your link sums up the bias:

Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, held the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited. A Republican president, George W. Bush, had a role too: He signed the legislation.

Now the last I heard, the President submits a budget to Congress for approval, not the other way around.

Yet this very sentence implies it was the Democratic Congress who authored the budget and Bush merely played a minor role by agreeing to sign it.

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