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Maybe I don't understand but if the government is only going to provide newspapers a tax break what is the problem. They would have no individual control over a particular newspaper would they? I mean they could not remove or apply a separate tax rate on an individual paper who they did not agree with?... Or do I have it wrong?

Butch

If you think that is as far as they will go, good luck.  Obama is running GM, wants to run Chrysler. The government wont take back TARP money from banks that object to the controls that the government is now trying to force on them.  Whether its through the tax code or legislation, this administration wants the power to run anything they see fit to run.

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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

The BBC is like any other network, run by people with corporate or government linked agendas, that is no more there with an interest for "truth" than the Cartoon Network.
"Agenda Free Reporting", "Truth", and other such fairy tales just don't exist in the stanglehold of government  controlled airwaves.
The internet is the closest thing we have to uncontrolled media.
It's changed the way people can, and do, choose to view the world.
Instantaeous transmission, zero censorship before the fact, widely available for the sending and receiving of boatloads of data...the world, she is a changin', and the TV networks should thank their lucky stars that they have the advantage of pervasiveness to save them from the fate of the print news.
j

Just remember that the "uncontrolled" internet has no journalistic standards or ethics to guide it. While believing everything you read / watch  was never a good idea, believing ANYTHING you read/watch on the internet from an unverified source isnt a good idea.

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Maybe I don't understand but if the government is only going to provide newspapers a tax break what is the problem. They would have no individual control over a particular newspaper would they? I mean they could not remove or apply a separate tax rate on an individual paper who they did not agree with?... Or do I have it wrong?

Butch

If you think that is as far as they will go, good luck.  Obama is running GM, wants to run Chrysler. The government wont take back TARP money from banks that object to the controls that the government is now trying to force on them.  Whether its through the tax code or legislation, this administration wants the power to run anything they see fit to run.

I want you to be technical with me and tell me how Obama would control an individual paper… what could he use for leverage ?

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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

The BBC is like any other network, run by people with corporate or government linked agendas, that is no more there with an interest for "truth" than the Cartoon Network.
"Agenda Free Reporting", "Truth", and other such fairy tales just don't exist in the stanglehold of government  controlled airwaves.
The internet is the closest thing we have to uncontrolled media.
It's changed the way people can, and do, choose to view the world.
Instantaeous transmission, zero censorship before the fact, widely available for the sending and receiving of boatloads of data...the world, she is a changin', and the TV networks should thank their lucky stars that they have the advantage of pervasiveness to save them from the fate of the print news.
j

Just remember that the "uncontrolled" internet has no journalistic standards or ethics to guide it. While believing everything you read / watch  was never a good idea, believing ANYTHING you read/watch on the internet from an unverified source isnt a good idea.

Valid point.  Having to reseearch, gather data, and come up with an informed opinion for your own self is a considerably bigger PITA than believing a talking head.  However, the breadth and depth of info that the opinion is then based upon allows these critical thinkers to come up with an opinion that was at least considered under some form of rationale instead of coming right from the corporate Satans via their minions in the msm.  Not that I'm a skeptic.
j

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

They are not giving them money I thought...just a tax break... they will have no leverage to fire...because once they have the tax break there is no exception for a particular paper to get a break or not.

With a bank or GM they are giving money and do have leverage… that will not be the case with a tax-exempt clause.


Butch

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

If you think that is as far as they will go, good luck.  Obama is running GM, wants to run Chrysler. The government wont take back TARP money from banks that object to the controls that the government is now trying to force on them.  Whether its through the tax code or legislation, this administration wants the power to run anything they see fit to run.

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In an address from the White House, Mr Obama said his administration had "no intention" of running GM, and said that "these companies - and this industry - must ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state".

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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

The BBC is like any other network, run by people with corporate or government linked agendas, that is no more there with an interest for "truth" than the Cartoon Network.
"Agenda Free Reporting", "Truth", and other such fairy tales just don't exist in the stanglehold of government  controlled airwaves.
The internet is the closest thing we have to uncontrolled media.
It's changed the way people can, and do, choose to view the world.
Instantaeous transmission, zero censorship before the fact, widely available for the sending and receiving of boatloads of data...the world, she is a changin', and the TV networks should thank their lucky stars that they have the advantage of pervasiveness to save them from the fate of the print news.
j

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

If you think that is as far as they will go, good luck.  Obama is running GM, wants to run Chrysler. The government wont take back TARP money from banks that object to the controls that the government is now trying to force on them.  Whether its through the tax code or legislation, this administration wants the power to run anything they see fit to run.

Two points, one you are wrong, Obama doesnt want to run Chrysler, he has given them 30 days to do a deal, or he will stop the funding. The following was a staement he made, no doubt you will say he is a liar.

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In an address from the White House, Mr Obama said his administration had "no intention" of running GM, and said that "these companies - and this industry - must ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state".

Secondly, what would you have done differently to avoid the collapse of the motor industry ?

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A tax break will not put pressure on a paper anymore than it does a church...you do realize how many papers there are in this country. Do you expect the government to go around to each of the 10,000 or more periodicals in this nation and set up rules... that will not fly I hope you understand that. It is not practical politically or materially.

Loans and tax exemptions are two completely different things. If they were not then all churches would now toe the line on abortion and birth control with the Democratic agenda. I don’t know about you but I don’t see that happening tax exemptions or not..

Butch

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A tax break will not put pressure on a paper anymore than it does a church...you do realize how many papers there are in this country. Do you expect the government to go around to each of the 10,000 or more periodicals in this nation and set up rules... that will not fly I hope you understand that. It is not practical politically or materially.

Loans and tax exemptions are two completely different things. If they were not then all churches would now toe the line on abortion and birth control with the Democratic agenda. I don’t know about you but I don’t see that happening tax exemptions or not..

Butch

Rules for 10,000 periodicals isnt needed. Pressure on a handful of the largest is quite sufficient to change the behavior of all of them.
Loans and tax exemptions are not that different. They both lower a companies cost of doing business, either through lower operating costs or lower cost of capital. They hit the bottom line nearly indentically. Church's are a totally different animal, at least until the SCOTUS manages to modify the interpretation of separation of Church and State. Until then Churchs cant be taxed under the constitution. Nice strawman attempt.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

A tax break will not put pressure on a paper anymore than it does a church...you do realize how many papers there are in this country. Do you expect the government to go around to each of the 10,000 or more periodicals in this nation and set up rules... that will not fly I hope you understand that. It is not practical politically or materially.

Loans and tax exemptions are two completely different things. If they were not then all churches would now toe the line on abortion and birth control with the Democratic agenda. I don’t know about you but I don’t see that happening tax exemptions or not..

Butch

Rules for 10,000 periodicals isnt needed. Pressure on a handful of the largest is quite sufficient to change the behavior of all of them.
Loans and tax exemptions are not that different. They both lower a companies cost of doing business, either through lower operating costs or lower cost of capital. They hit the bottom line nearly indentically. Church's are a totally different animal, at least until the SCOTUS manages to modify the interpretation of separation of Church and State. Until then Churchs cant be taxed under the constitution. Nice strawman attempt.

I don't think the Boone County press will give up a tax break because Obama is trying to put pressure on the New York times... money talks they could care less.

Butch

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Politically independent is a neat trick not often accomplished in a situation of economic dependency.
j