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cpK69 -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 4:03:01 AM)
Hi Sam and Vendaval, Thank you both for the links. My original response to Kittin, in this thread, was towards this… quote: Nobody's saying the Pope was a fully fledged Nazi, but he belongs to this generation of Germans who exonerated themselves from Germany's collective guilt because they feel independently and personally guilt-free from the actions of their country. In short: a self-delusional hypocrite. I should have highlighted it. In another thread, she made the insinuation, in effect, that patriotism is the root of all evil. I am confused as to why it should be expected of someone to feel shame toward their country, if it is ‘evil’ to feel pride in one’s country? In response to the OP. I had originally debated asking, what part was the good news, but have come to the conclusion, if it helps in sending the wake up call, not to rely on those with perceived authority, so that people might learn to rely on themselves; then yes, could be good. Kim

kittinSol -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 4:50:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 I am confused as to why it should be expected of someone to feel shame toward their country, if it is ‘evil’ to feel pride in one’s country? Either you're being deliberately obtuse, or your reading comprehension is appalling - when one refers to an ex Nazi Youth Pope, Germany's collective guilt (I agree with Sam that that is a difficult subject in itself), and his calling for a Palestian homeland, your patriotic preoccupations have no relevance whatsoever. Sam and Ven both posted some rather comprehensive posts on the matter, but instead you choose to concentrate on an Oscar Wilde quote I posted a week or so ago ("Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.") If you are so curious about my feelings on the subject, ask me about it via cmail: this isn't the place to make oblique comments about it, especially since you are way, but way, off the mark.

cpK69 -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 5:47:42 AM)
No need... You've covered any questions I might have had. quote: If you are so curious about my feelings on the subject, ask me about it via cmail Edited to add quote Kim

Raechard -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 4:32:45 PM)
Pope or politician? Everyone seems to make political speeches nowadays rather than carrying out their traditional roles such as being proven wrong about the sun rotating around the earth. Also was that fire I noticed emerging from the Popes backside at one point, that can’t be normal.[8\|]

subrob1967 -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 5:04:37 PM)
Can I ask when the secular left started caring about what the Pope says?

DomKen -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 5:13:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Can I ask when the secular left started caring about what the Pope says? When the pope became a prominent figure in world affairs. So sometime around 500 CE.

Raechard -> RE: Pope calls for Palestinian homeland (5/12/2009 5:19:41 PM)
Started caring: Wednesday 13th May 2009 12:00am Stopped caring: Wednesday 13th May 2009 12:01am Might start caring again later haven't decided yet. It was just a general observation that most people not just the pope seem to be branching out into politics whereas before they'd avoid it like the plague, and restrict themselves to the more general message of world peace etc. If the Pope wants to be stuck between a rock and a hard place then he should continue the tightrope he is currently walking.

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