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mental health - 2/5/2006 12:15:53 PM   
saltie


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Is it ok to ask a question about mental health in the health boards? It does have to do with bdsm. Do not know if it is only for physicial health or not. I am trying to see if there is another place or not but not found any other boards yet.
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RE: mental health - 2/5/2006 1:11:24 PM   
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It's probably approprite to post here. There are some members who are familiar with mental health issues.

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RE: mental health - 2/5/2006 5:49:11 PM   
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Thanks Katylied. I wanted to be sure. Here it is. Having session helps me with my depression and just love it anyway. I only do this for seesion, not a lifestyle.My therapist said he thinks it helps in the short term but not in the long term. That maybe I am doing it because of something that happened long ago. That it could be bad for me. Was just wondering if others was told the same thing. I dont want to give it up. Does so much for me.

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RE: mental health - 2/6/2006 12:44:30 AM   
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You don't say what sort of session you indulge in. I guess that would inpact on what affect it has on the depression. For example, my daughter loves to cut herself when she's depressed - she feels as though it helps (at the time), but even she realises this isn't a healthy way to deal with things.

I'd discuss it more with the therapist.

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RE: mental health - 2/6/2006 7:06:22 AM   
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You might be interested in reading this topic.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_86869/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm

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RE: mental health - 2/10/2006 6:14:22 PM   
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As it is only for session for me I do not know much about this so dont know the different kind of sessions there is. It is always in private. There is a lot of pain for me and me doing worships and me pampering him, some humiliation.And thanks for answering

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RE: mental health - 2/10/2006 6:20:34 PM   
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Thanks peppermint. I will read it. To Wetsub I no longer see the therapist but if ever do again will talk about it more.

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RE: mental health - 2/10/2006 6:20:59 PM   
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Becarefull of just taking your therapist word. They mean well but are not always right or accurate. My last therapist tried very hard to convince me bdsm was for me unhealthy since I was sexually molested all my child hood, and in her eyes was a way for me to be sexually abused again.

Which it's not. Not even close. And she wouldn't hear that bdsm is all about safe sane andc onsentual to good honest players, or that I'd have to consent to everything that would happen before it did. She also told me that ageplay was dangerous and people couldn't effectivly "raise" a partner less they were trained professional therapists trained in these matters.


And that's just not true either. you don't have to be a trained professional to sucessfully reparent an inner child of the adult you're with

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RE: mental health - 2/10/2006 10:49:27 PM   
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I don't think anyone should take the 'word' of a therapist, but then neither should they take the word of one of us posters on the board. I just thought that if the OP had already discussed this with the therapist they could delve further into why he thought it wasn't good long term. You listen to others, reflect, use what is useful and discard what isn't and make up your own mind. At least that is what I do.

Therapists are like the rest of us - human. Good/bad and indifferent.

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RE: mental health - 2/10/2006 11:02:33 PM   
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as someone who has dealt with depression/anxiety all of my life, i can only tell you this...what works for one person may not work for another. if talking to someone about your past situations helps you, then, by all means, find someone to talk to...face your past the best way you can. if pills are the only thing that helps, be very careful about this as alot of meds can be adictive and may only add to your problems.

(this is not a boast) i probably know as much...if not more...than most shrinks out there as this has been a part of me for so long and i have tried every form of treatment imagineable (except electroshock therapy...which i adamantly refuse to undertake) and, thus far...nothing has helped me at all...but that's just me

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RE: mental health - 2/13/2006 3:15:47 AM   
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I dont take his word (therapist). It is for the same reasons as you FelinePersuasion is why he said I could be doing this. I also told him it is agreeded on what is done to me/what I do. It helps me and gives me something to look forward to. I heard of ageplay but never did or know about it. Thanks for answering. I was hoping to meet somebody to talk to that is in this lifestyle but not able to or go to any munch so have nobody so I use these message boards. Though just a session for me want to learn things besides needing info. sometimes. You are right wetsub000 about me wanting to know what others think/been told but I know I am a awful typer so not always clear on what I mean. Thanks again. MichaelGA yes I know some meds can make things worse. Several meds had to stop taking as did that. Do not think you are boasting.

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RE: mental health - 2/13/2006 3:47:43 AM   
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I have a therapist who agrees its helpful now and in the long run.

How can something that helps now...not be useful in the future...even if you stop BDSM activities you take away that knowledge.That knowledge helps later down the road.

I saw you no longer see that therapist...maybe finding one with more of open mind would be better for you.

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RE: mental health - 2/13/2006 3:21:36 PM   
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I stopped for other reasons MistressSassy66. He did not put me down or anything like that but just said maybe not good in the long run. I love this and if not bad not going to stop. I dont see how it could be. Some women been abused by a man or men and think it is normal but that did not happen so why am not doing this. Thanks for answering.

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RE: mental health - 2/16/2006 2:28:11 PM   
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark (no innuendos please!) and say that it sounds like the therapist in the equation wasn't so much saying such things are harmful, but maybe that they are too effective ...hear me out...and that if you get so much help from them then you may not have an incentive to investigate the root cause of whatever it is that causes your inner suffering. Well, if I was a therapist that's what I'd think. I'd also be concerned that you might vanish into the world of BDSM forever and stop paying me for my help!!!

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RE: mental health - 2/19/2006 6:26:47 PM   
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Really interesting way to look at it, Penelope.

Also, in case some of you don't know, there is a small but somewhat useful site called Kink Aware Professionals. It lists therapists, medical doctors, and others who are accepting of WIITWD.

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RE: mental health - 3/11/2006 10:48:17 PM   
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Seeking out bdsm sessions as a solution to depression is unwise.
You nee to find what is really missing from your life and do what it takes to make yourself happy.

If you seek out sessions that you have already aknowledged to be temporary relief, it's no different than someone drinking alcohol to "feel better".
The real problem has not been dealt with and now you risk picking up an addiction along the way.

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RE: mental health - 3/12/2006 10:58:50 PM   
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quote:

Is it ok to ask a question about mental health in the health boards? It does have to do with bdsm. Do not know if it is only for physicial health or not. I am trying to see if there is another place or not but not found any other boards yet.


Mental health has been discussed in every fourm including this one. Type it up in your search and see for yourself. I'll make it easy for you. This way you won't even have to seach for the search icon on the upper right hand corner.

http://www.collarchat.com/search.asp



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RE: mental health - 3/14/2006 3:00:49 PM   
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I just wanted to share.....When i feel depressed or need to vent, there is nothing better than a session with my Master, its like i feel the need to know that i am doing something right and pleasing Him . It would be like switching the mental pain to the physical pain..........but that's only me.

I would say for the last two years or so, the week before the *woman time* i am so out of it.......could it be pre-menopause? i dont know, but my poor Master *giggles* i do try to control all of those emotions i have cause i dont want to become a burden for Him. I have to say after over 4 yrs, He has come to know me which helps alot.

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RE: mental health - 4/1/2006 1:59:36 PM   
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Greetings, All.

I'm new here, browsing the board, and found this topic. It sort of took me back a ways,
thinking of a different aspect to this issue.

In my younger days I was a psychiatric orderly, as well as a practicing Dominant. That combination can create some unique situations.

As is obvious, in that job the use of restraint devices, as well as psychotropic drugs, is a day to day occurance. And let's face it, people that tend towrd, or are actively IN the D/s community sometimes wind up in psych wards, just like anyone else.

There was one Lady who sticks in my mind. When I first met her, she had gone off of her meds (probably the most common reason for involuntary commitment), and was checked in for a 72 hour court ordered observation period.

It was obvious from the first moment that she found me attractive, tho she was in terrible shape; seriously slurred speech (a common side effect of long term users stopping thier medications, especially with Haldol, Librium, or the lithium compounds). As I was trying to settle her in an isolation room she was very affectionate...  it was difficult to maintain professional distance and seperation.

In the following days, while her dosages were being adjusted again, she acted  out several times, and her doctor ordered restraint to be used. On one such occasion I and another orderly had to struggle her into a body restraint (sort of a lightweight version of a straitjacket). It happened that I was the final one in the isolation room with her, making a final check on the arem restraint fastenings, and with just the two of us there she made it clear that she LOVED the jacket, and told me that when she got out I should grab one from work and call her to play!  Interesting...   but a scary concept.

After the 72 hours...  she voluntarily stayed on the unit until she could be stabilized. She was a whole lot more rational, and getting more so as time passed. It was also clear that the comment in the isolation room hadn't been spurious talk from a confused mind...  the Lady was QUITE SERIOUS with her proposal, and one day she told me that she knew damned well that I was a Dom. I suppose I was rather blatant back then; wore a lot of leather and sometimes fell into the habit of dealing with clients (patients) in exactly the way I dealt with a submissive!

Further...  my submissive at that point was an LPN who worked on the ward. She and the client were similar in age and interests, and they'd become good friends. I suppose it's possible that they'd compared notes a little bit...

In a couple of weeks she was pronounced fit, given a supply of her meds, and released. The Lady kept close social contact with my sub and I... and sometimes hinted that she'd be interested in CLOSER social contact with us both.

Sounds like a great situation? Not really.

Even with meds, she was prone to wild mood swings, sometimes going into deep depressive episodes over little things. On one occasion she was readmitted when one of the depressive episodes got to the level of potentially suicidal. MORE dosage adjustment for a few days...   and she was out again.

After several months my sub and I had to talk about her seriously...  either play with her or not.

When her head was in good shape, she was a great prospect as a newbie subbie; she'd had a little exposure to R/L, and was eager for more experience. My sub had no objections to adding a third; in fact, she liked the idea a lot.

However, the cycles of depression were unpredictable and deep. You never knew what could set her off on a downward spiral or when it would happen.

We finally came to the conclusion that her interest in joining us had to be politely refused. We both knew that we would never dream of getting into a D/s situation with a known schizophrenic (and hopefully we'd get to know a partner well enough beforehand before even considering R/L play to realize his or her mental state!).

A relationship with her might well help her cope with her depression, but it might also have the opposite effect if anything were to go wrong.


Maybe that long ago incident made me sort of hypersensitive to the situation, but ever since I've always carefully considered the apparent level of mental health of ANYONE I considered entering into a D/s situation with. Anyone who has been in the situation knows full well that no one who hasn't been there can even conceive of the effect that a mental disturbance, even a transitory, situational one, can have on you. Myabe I'm being too harsh, but I've passed on more than one situation where a potential partner didn't seem to be completely stable.

D/s is a situation that inherently introduces stresses> I don't know just how much stress another can handle, or how she'll handle it.

I'd rather just leave the situation alone, both for her sake AND mine.


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RE: mental health - 4/12/2006 12:13:58 PM   
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I read some of these posts with concern. Advising someone not to listen to their therapist, without knowing a full history, AND being qualified, I find to be highly irresponsible.

There probably is some correlation between some mental health disorders and associated behaviours such as self harm and cutting, and BDSM practices for the submissive. Also I am sure some Doms have NPD, or BPD and the need for control over other people due to a lack of control over their own feelings.

For a mental illness, mental health problem, or personality disorder, treatment and therapy will have a better chance of resolving the problem, rather than temporarily escaping from it. This is where I agree with the therapist who says it may help short term, but won't long term. There are some effective new treatments... dialectic behavioural therapy for BPD, EMDR for post traumatic stress disorder. Drug research is improving, with fewer side effects, and more affective treatment.

BlackMaster talks sense. A Master shouldn't take on another until he's mastered himself, and a responsible Master doesn't take on a submissive, with the strong emotions and psychological interractions which come from the relationship and scening, if she has mental health problems, but helps her find a good therapist who is qualified to help him/her.

If you don't like your therapist, or don't think they're helping, find a better therapist, not someone in a pair of leather pants.

saltie, I think your therapist is making good sense. Marina Black talks sense. Often causes of mental illness are linked to childhood events (the concept of schema therapy by Jeffrey Young is fascinating in this regard, and another form of therapy with a good success rate).

Therapists may be like all humans, good, bad or indifferent, but at least they are trained, experienced, qualified in the subject, and the qualification process reduces the number who are bad or indifferent. In terms of therapy, the reason why it is more appropriate than a D/s relationship, is you have the security of confidentiality, the therapist isn't there to judge you, the therapist won't throw what you say back in your face, or use it later in an argument.

One final thing... for someone with low self esteem, or no self esteem, humiliation play, in my opinion, is abuse, and likely reinforcing the affects of past traumatic events which caused the lack of self image in the first place.

Joe

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