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Aneirin -> The prince at it again. (5/11/2009 11:44:14 PM)

With a follow up of his famous or indeed infamous 1984 'Monstrous carbuncle' speech to the RIBA conference, there are calls by prominent architects to boycott the prince's forthcoming speech to the conference on the 12th of May ;

http://www.24dash.com/news/Housing/2009-05-11-Architects-call-for-boycott-of-Prince-Charles-RIBA-lecture

Twenty five years ago, I remember this speech and it's outcome, the rabble press jumping on his words and highlighting his speech as though he was the saviour of the British architectural horizon. I also remember and have seen what British architecture largely became, too many and too much revivalist architecture, echoes of a past time, twee little pseudo Georgian ultra conservative buildings designed to not challenge the eye. What he created, was boredom in British architecture.

Maybe he had a point, some ideas were just plain crazy, and the man in the street often had no say on what offended his eyes, he being largely excluded from the machinations of the planning and design procedures, he feeling he had no say.

What does occur, looking back, is there is too much red brick, too much pseudo half timbered creations and very little for the future generations to look back upon and remember this time period, it is with a few notable exceptions, (the superb London Skyline mixing modern with old and the superb 'Selfridges' in Birmingham), uninspiring and boring.

Prince Charles likes the work of Sir Christopher Wren, to him that is desireable architecture, St. Paul's Cathedral in London from the Victorian era, but if the prince shoves his oar in again at the RIBA conference, are we in danger of having another twenty five years of largely uninspiring building art. We need Sir Christopher Wren's of today and tommorrow for present and future generations to consider and remember our present technological and artistic construction abilities.

A further point is, if our surroundings are a mass of old, new, ultra modern, brave, artistic different and challenging ideas, could such a eyescape actually inspire us to think in a better directions rather than the past all the time, maybe if we see daring around us, it may encourage more to dare, dare to be different and approach the same old sameness with a new mind.

Should the Prince keep out of it, or is he an important player ?




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 5:15:05 AM)

I like modern architecture, it fits in better with modern life. Charles pines after a bygone era of red bricks and cutesy little cottages: irrelevant!

Imagine if the Victorians had built like the Tudors. That's basically what Charles would like to see. He's just another old reactionary, scared of change and hellbent against any kind of modern aesthetic.

Personally, I can't stand "new fake old architecture".

/rant over lol




CatdeMedici -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 5:48:02 AM)

I do believe we need modern architecture, however, I cannot fault the Prince of attempting to maintain the alure and the consistency that has been England for centuries---look at the US, if it doesn't suit our needs, if it isn't funded by someone, we mow it down--we have lost many great treasures because people didn't give a damn and money talked.
 
You have to give him credit for attempting to maintain what you have and not have some gawd awful beetlejuice building sticking out in the middle of a 17th century skyline.




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 5:54:36 AM)

I disagree. A well designed modern building fits in far more beautifully amongst older constructions than a pretend Victorian pile complete with slanted roof and slash windows.

It doesn't have to match. It has to go. :-)




Marc2b -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 6:12:53 AM)

Why shouldn't a building have a little style and class to it?  To much of modern architecture is blandly ulitarian.  My home town once knocked down a very nice old (old, by American standards - I know the Brits out there don't think of 150 years as old)) building to make way for a "new, ultra-modern" building.  It turned out to be a gray slab that looked like it came out of Ceaucescu's Romania.  I have never forgiven the bastards behind it.  I agree that if you're going to build old style that it should be the real thing and not a false front, faux creation though.

To be fair to the cheap bastards who built the gray slab, they did try to spruce it up a little.  Two years ago the painted some green trim on it - puke green trim.  So now we have a gray slab with puke green trim in the middle of our downtown.  




Rule -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 9:45:44 AM)

He would have done better to complain about the traffick in London. It would be a nice, clean, quiet, safe city to visit if it wasn't for those damn cars! If anything is damaging to architecture, it is the soot and acid pollution and vibration produced by cars.




popeye1250 -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 10:11:04 AM)

Gawd, you guys still listen to those people?
He's a "kept man", you guys keep him in luxury for no reason!




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 10:15:18 AM)

Not quite for 'no reasons'. He is the future head of state - and he does have his own private fortune. Any money he makes indepedently from that I believe he pays taxes on. So it's not a bad deal, especially not for the tourists.




missturbation -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 11:11:35 AM)

I despise modern architecture. Give me quaint, cute cottages any day.
I find modern stuff boring and nondescript.




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 11:32:58 AM)

Do you find this boring and nondescript? And this? Or this?




Marc2b -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 11:43:15 AM)

The first one:  Ghastly – it looks like something made by giant bees on a bender.

The second one:  Oil Refinery Chic?

The third one:  Well they say the acoustics are great so I guess that makes it forgivable.




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 11:51:40 AM)

Frank Lloyd Wright more up your alley? Or are you really into the seven dwarves cottage look [8D] ? My point is that architecture evolves, just like everything else. It's not up to everybody's tastes, but thank fuck it happens. Personally, I couldn't do a neo-Tudor falsy in the suburbs, but I will fight for your right to live in one (if you really must [X(]) .

Edited to add link http://www.wright-house.com/frank-lloyd-wright/fallingwater-pictures/fallingwater-1.jpg




Marc2b -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:31:01 PM)

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Frank Lloyd Wright more up your alley?


Frank had his hits (Falling Water) and misses (First Unitarian Society meeting House).

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Or are you really into the seven dwarves cottage look?


Good Lord No!

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My point is that architecture evolves, just like everything else. It's not up to everybody's tastes, but thank fuck it happens.


Of course it evolves but that don’t necessarily mean that anything modern is automatically good.

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Personally, I couldn't do a neo-Tudor falsy in the suburbs, but I will fight for your right to live in one (if you really must) .


Neither could I (there are some apartments not far from me with the neo-Tudor look – ugh), I’m just saying that older styles of architecture still has value.  They couldn’t build as easily back then (although they didn’t have as much paperwork to go through, I’m sure) so they made sure to put a little style into it.  That doesn’t happen enough today.  Personally, if I could, I’d be living in a medieval castle.




Aneirin -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:31:07 PM)

I was just thinking, isn't that what most Americans come to Britain to see, the antwacky, ye olde worlde, chocolate box bollocks ?




dcnovice -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:41:36 PM)

Whatever the merits of Charles's views, he got people thinking and talking about the importance of architecture. No small service, that.




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:42:24 PM)

That's very true.




RCdc -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:43:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was just thinking, isn't that what most Americans come to Britain to see, the antwacky, ye olde worlde, chocolate box bollocks ?


I happen to like the chocolate box olde worlde creations that you think is bollocks.  I find such crude insults immature.  I also happen to enjoy modern architecture.
 
Of course Charles is an important person when it comes to this.  And so he should be.
 
Do you even know what he proposed in the beginning with all this when it was in the primary stages and what this is all about?
Your post is nothing more than like a tabloid scaremongering at it's worse.
 
the.dark.




kittinSol -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:44:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was just thinking, isn't that what most Americans come to Britain to see, the antwacky, ye olde worlde, chocolate box bollocks ?


Yeah, it is. And over here some fake pine moulding stapled to the top of a wall in a brand new cookie cutter suburban house passes for 'architectural detail' [8D] .




RCdc -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:45:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
Personally, if I could, I’d be living in a medieval castle.


With under floor and modern central heating?[;)]
 
the.dark.




JonnieBoy -> RE: The prince at it again. (5/12/2009 12:50:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gawd, you guys still listen to those people?
He's a "kept man", you guys keep him in luxury for no reason!


Some of us choose not to ... but there's only so far you can go without getting locked up.

Pirate




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