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DuncanONeil -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (6/4/2009 11:17:14 AM)

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The government has the lie part down, how do we find out the truth?


That is called History!!




housesub4you -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 4:10:48 PM)

Well well well, it seems Pelosi was lied to ( http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/index.html?iref=newssearch )  I"m sure everyone who said she was nuts and supported the CIA will offer their deepest apologies.






Lucylastic -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 4:43:25 PM)

No no no Panettas lying to cover her ass, they damn dems cant tell the truth if their  lives depended on it[:'(]
taking tongue from cheek
half expecting someone to make the comment that Panetta is her lil bitch boy. oops  I just did
I think I might get my libewal card taken from me now




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 5:37:09 PM)

I hate to be the wet blanket, but that article doesn't say Pelosi was lied to. It says that Panetta has testified that CIA lied repeatedly to Congress since 2001, but it doesn't specifically  say that was one of the incidents in which they lied.

The article's not clear on this, but in fact it looks as though Panetta is saying that the Pelosi incident is not one of the occasions on which they lied. Make of that what you will, but I think it's safe to say there's more to come on this one.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 5:39:38 PM)

"Yes, we lied repeatedly, but you can trust me when I tell you that this was not one of the things we lied about. Honest! Scout's honor, guys!""




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 5:39:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well well well, it seems Pelosi was lied to ( http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/index.html?iref=newssearch )  I"m sure everyone who said she was nuts and supported the CIA will offer their deepest apologies.





And GOP members who heard the same testimony said the Dems letter is a vast overstatment of what LP actually said. Of course they wouldnt exaggerate to cover NP's ass, would they. Bottom line: NP should support her accusation or stfu.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/democrats_write_panetta/2009/07/10/234035.html




FirmhandKY -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 7:29:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well well well, it seems Pelosi was lied to ( http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/08/cia.congress/index.html?iref=newssearch )  I"m sure everyone who said she was nuts and supported the CIA will offer their deepest apologies.

I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to make much of any conclusion, so far.

From the article:

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However, the June 26 letter from the seven House Democrats noted that Panetta told CIA employees in a letter dated May 15 -- in response to the Pelosi allegation -- that it was not CIA policy to mislead Congress.

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and values," the House Democrats quoted Panetta's letter as saying.

The letter from the House Democrats asked Panetta to correct his May 15 statement "in light of your testimony."

Asked about the Democrats' letter, CIA spokesman George Little said Panetta "stands by his May 15 statement."

"This agency and this director believe it is vital to keep the Congress fully and currently informed. Director Panetta's actions back that up," Little said in a statement. "As the letter from these ... representatives notes, it was the CIA itself that took the initiative to notify the oversight committees."


The letter that the article is talking about is pretty short. It's entirety:

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Dear Director Panetta,

You recall, no doubt, that on May 15, 2009, you stated the following in a letter to CIA employees:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and values."

Recently you testified that you have determined that top CIA officials have concealed significant actions from all Members of Congress, and misled Members for a number of years from 2001 to this week. This is similar to other deceptions of which we are aware from other recent periods.

In light of your testimony, we ask that you publicaly correct your statement of May 15, 2009.

Sincerely,

Anna G. Eshoo
John F Tierney
Rush D. Holt
Mike Thompson
Alcee L. Hastings.
Janice D. Schakowsky
Adam Smith


There are all kinds of unanswered questions in my mind. First, when did Panetta say what the seven members say he said? Where's the transcript? Was it a secret meeting?

Second, do the members not recognize that Panetta's letter to CIA employees can easily be seen as establishing policy for his tenure, not necessary making a claim about the past? Even if the letter was due to NP claim, I don't see that it directly addressed her claim at all.

More ... but having those two answered would help a lot, and until those are answered, I don't see how anyone can claim that NP was or wasn't lied to, based on these letters.

Firm




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/10/2009 9:59:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY



Second, do the members not recognize that Panetta's letter to CIA employees can easily be seen as establishing policy for his tenure, not necessary making a claim about the past? Even if the letter was due to NP claim, I don't see that it directly addressed her claim at all.


Firm


I dont agree with this one Firm.

The letter went on to say "As the agency indicated previously in response to congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zabaydah, describing the enhanced techniques that had been employed" which specifically addresses the briefings that Pelosi claimed didn't talk about waterboarding of AZ.




DuncanONeil -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/11/2009 6:09:03 AM)

Of the four people in the meeting where this issue was discussed, one (Pelosi) says they were not told waterboarding was in use, two say they were.  The fourth, a lawyer refuses to respond to questions regarding the meeting.  Now only 25% of the attendees at the briefing say that the briefer did not provide a truthful account and yet you and others wish to accept that single witness over a perponderence of evidence that that witness is incorrect.  Why?




DuncanONeil -> RE: Pelosi says Bush team misled her on waterboarding (7/11/2009 6:10:24 AM)

My goodness someone that actually takes the time to analyze what they read!  Good job!




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