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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/21/2009 12:23:44 PM)
I have no problem at all agreeing that there's a lot to this story we don't know, and maybe never will. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that there were members of the Bush Administration who had a lot more foreknowledge of what was going to happen than they'd ever dare admit. And furthermore, I want to make clear that I have no argument with anyone advocating for a deeper investigation of what the Administration knew, when they knew it, and why they didn't act on it. The problem I have is, the more people make these outlandish conspiract theories (like controlled demolition, there really wasn't a plane crash at the Pentagon, etc.) the centerpiece of their argument, the more they're undermining their own credibility and making it easier for the average guy to just dismiss the entire issue. If someone pops up tomorrow and says he has evidence that Cheney knew the night before that Al Qaeda was going to fly airliners into the sides of the WTC the next morning, everybody's just going to say, "Oh, christ, another one of those idiots. When are they going to shut up?" Even if it's rock-solid, genuine, indictable evidence, very few people are going to take it seriously. If they separate out the silly crap from the real issues - the genuine questions - they might actually get some serious attention, but the more they go around talking about stuff that's just ridiculously false, the harder it's going to be for anyone to ever get to the bottom of some of those real questions. And that's why I get so passionate about this - what they're really doing is damaging, perhaps fatally, the real quest for truth. The more they go on with this stuff, the less likely it's going to be that any of us will ever really find out what happened. And that's a tragedy.

Rule -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/21/2009 1:53:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda The problem I have is, the more people make these outlandish conspiract theories (like controlled demolition, there really wasn't a plane crash at the Pentagon, etc.) the centerpiece of their argument, the more they're undermining their own credibility and making it easier for the average guy to just dismiss the entire issue. ... If they separate out the silly crap from the real issues - the genuine questions - they might actually get some serious attention, but the more they go around talking about stuff that's just ridiculously false, the harder it's going to be for anyone to ever get to the bottom of some of those real questions. And that's why I get so passionate about this - what they're really doing is damaging, perhaps fatally, the real quest for truth. The more they go on with this stuff, the less likely it's going to be that any of us will ever really find out what happened. And that's a tragedy. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamed of in your philosophy.' William Shakespeare {1565-1616} Hamlet Act 1, Scene 5. What if these outlandish people have already figured out what happened - and you haven't? Then who is obstructing the quest for truth?

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/21/2009 3:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers OBL has never admitted to anything. The taliban only allowed Bin Laden to recruit from his flock and only convinced two and otherwise did not want to hit the US. The taliban were out to terrorize what they perceived as corrupt middle-east govts. If you wish to refer back to what was supposed to be a video 'confession' from Bin Laden, don't. The TV video we saw was a fake as Bin Laden is tall, gaunt and left handed. The man on the tape was short, cherub and right handed. The FBI and the DOJ have never managed to even indict Bin Laden. "WE just don't have the evidence." As for the evidence on 9/11, I didn't see any that supports the Bush admin. or the 9/11 comm. report. Another troofer? Love the engineering analysis too. Must have studied under Prof. Rosie O'Donnell

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/21/2009 7:40:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule What if these outlandish people have already figured out what happened - and you haven't? Then who is obstructing the quest for truth? If what they've "figured out" is that the twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition, and no planes crashed into the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania, then the answer is obviously - them.

MrRodgers -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 5:12:07 AM)
How about the craziest conspiracy theory of all...the Bush admin.'s theory or the 9/11 comm. report theory ? Truly amazing the breadth of the acceptance of that theory and one put out by the media and the admin. almost immediately after 9/11...like within days...how ? People, I have proposed no detailed conspiracy, what I refer to is the THE 'final' word from our govt. on 9/11 as contained in its 'report' [sic]. There is NO proof that planes hit the pentagon or a Pa. farm. Why ? Because they VAPORIZED ON IMPACT. That means no bodies, no seats, no freight and...NO planes. Yet we are to believe what our govt. and this comm. report tells us. Ask yourself honestly just whether or not that is possible. When I say documentary and video evidence I mean just that being withheld by our govt. Why ? Why do we have to sue our own govt. to get a look at that evidence and videos and why do the courts go along and not force the govt. to release all of this info. ? In a court of law, the so-called 9/11 conspirators might well walk for reasonable doubt.

rulemylife -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 6:25:40 AM)
9-11 Research: Flight Photos These photographs show individual pieces of debris from the crash Flight 93 in Shanksville PA. They were released as exhibits in the 2006 trial U.S. v. Moussaoui. The third and fourth photographs show portions of the cockpit voice recorders. Flight 93 - Pictures from the Crash Site and Memorial near

MrRodgers -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 6:50:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife 9-11 Research: Flight Photos These photographs show individual pieces of debris from the crash Flight 93 in Shanksville PA. They were released as exhibits in the 2006 trial U.S. v. Moussaoui. The third and fourth photographs show portions of the cockpit voice recorders. Flight 93 - Pictures from the Crash Site and Memorial near Sorry, still no airplane only a couple of parts plus it just can't be...the planes that allegedly hit the pentagon and crashed in Pa....VAPORIZED ON IMPACT !! Could this be easily and publicly available evidence that the 9/11 comm. and its report...was wrong ? So which am I supposed to believe, a few pics of nothing approaching 60-100 tons of jetliner or the 9/11 comm. report ? Where's the bodies, the seats, the freight, the 6 tons each of titanium and steel of the engines ? Still got at least a few tons to go. I am to believe too that ONLY on 9/11 the cockpit voice recorders didn't work and if they did...contained what ? Anybody ever hear the recordings ? I haven't. Please all of you 'troooooothers'...point me to the real proof of airplanes at either place (Wash. and Pa) and real recordings from the flight recorders. Let me understand this...the cockpit flight recorders did or didn't survive ? If they didn't than how is it that an almost pristine passport of one the so-called hijackers...did ? Maybe...MAYBE 110 stories could eventually fall...MAYBE but not as just in a controlled demolition and not at almost 60 mph. with almost no steel left standing. The only 'trial' of Moussaoui was not a trial at all. He pleaded guilty in 2005 and the jury 'trial' only determined his sentence. How convenient for the govt. that he pleaded guilty after he and his attorneys (3+ years) decided he wasn't going to get a real public trial agreed to...hoping to avoid the death penalty.

rulemylife -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 1:58:31 PM)
I tell you what MrR, instead of derailing this thread I'll start one where we all can debate this.

CruelNUnsual -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 2:28:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I tell you what MrR, instead of derailing this thread I'll start one where we all can debate this. Just what the world needs. Yet another "Loose Change" debunking thread, which has conclusively been done about 3 million times and acknowledged by anyone with the ability to follow a logical thought process.

rulemylife -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 3:17:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I tell you what MrR, instead of derailing this thread I'll start one where we all can debate this. Just what the world needs. Yet another "Loose Change" debunking thread, which has conclusively been done about 3 million times and acknowledged by anyone with the ability to follow a logical thought process. Hmmm? Ability to follow a logical thought process, does that mean you're in or out?

Rule -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 3:18:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife 9-11 Research: Flight Photos These photographs show individual pieces of debris from the crash Flight 93 in Shanksville PA. They were released as exhibits in the 2006 trial U.S. v. Moussaoui. The third and fourth photographs show portions of the cockpit voice recorders. Flight 93 - Pictures from the Crash Site and Memorial near I am sorry, that little bit of debris is no evidence for the existence of those planes. Neither is the rusty nail lying somewhere in the grass near the apartment building where I have my room.

rulemylife -> RE: Violation of another Nations Sovereignty (5/22/2009 3:38:45 PM)
Well then where do you think those things came from? Wait, don't answer that, enough hijack here, I'll start a thread now.

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