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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:27:49 AM   
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Why is that sad that's a valid point.

I am sorry for you as well.
Why thank you I'm so happy that I need you pity for voicing a valid arguement to the left wing agenda that has been spouted on these threads about criminals.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:28:42 AM   
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Rule...she was given the chance to go about her normal life after she was arrested the first time. She blew it.
As many crimes and imprisoned people as there are in the USA, indicates that the USA as a society is sick. Something is very wrong over there.
oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never been in jail. Neither has my husband, our families, friends.

Our society is not sick.  Some of us are doing very well, leading happy CRIME FREE lives.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:29:29 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:29:35 AM   
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Yes there are some situations that need to be corrected but instead of crying on here run for sherrif or go work in a jail system and fix them from the inside. When you become a ward of the state you go and do what the state says....period....people are all treated the same inside because you never know who is going to go off at any given time. It's just as much for the officers safety as for the prisoners safety. As for putting non violent and violent offenders together with overcrowding these are the things that happen if you don't want to end up in a cell with a gang banger then don't break the law to get put there.


I'm kind of surprised at that statement. If you interpret my participation in a topic of discussion on a chat board, as "crying", or imply that since I'm not running for sheriff I have no business even talking about such things,  there's really nothing else you can say to me that I have any interest in.  But thanks for your response.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:33:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		No Bear what I was saying was that when you break the law you are given a term of inprisonment to fit that one crime. You are not going to do the same time for every crime. That being said you can't expect to get off easy if you are given probation as a second chance and then screw up again. At that point you have to do the time that you would have served in the first place.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:34:33 AM   
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instead of crying on here run for sherrif or go work in a jail system and fix them from the inside.



Oh well, in that case, let's not bother discussing anything on here at all. What's the point of having debates after all  ?

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As for putting non violent and violent offenders together with overcrowding these are the things that happen if you don't want to end up in a cell with a gang banger then don't break the law to get put there.



That's precisely why in many instances, prison does not work, because the conditions are completely inhumane.

When the justice system frees three men whilst acknowledging that they are directly responsible for a man's violent death, and yet  puts a woman in prison for evading probation after writing a bad check... something's seriously screwed up in this country and, if you don't mind me saying, in your 'moral' priorities.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:34:36 AM   
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Yes there are some situations that need to be corrected but instead of crying on here run for sherrif or go work in a jail system and fix them from the inside. When you become a ward of the state you go and do what the state says....period....people are all treated the same inside because you never know who is going to go off at any given time. It's just as much for the officers safety as for the prisoners safety. As for putting non violent and violent offenders together with overcrowding these are the things that happen if you don't want to end up in a cell with a gang banger then don't break the law to get put there.


I'm kind of surprised at that statement. If you interpret my participation in a topic of discussion on a chat board, as "crying", or imply that since I'm not running for sheriff I have no business even talking about such things,  there's really nothing else you can say to me that I have any interest in.  But thanks for your response.
I'm sorry I was not actually talking about you when I made the crying statement there are some others that like to get on the boards and whine about any and all things having to do with laws and their enforcement.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:35:43 AM   
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i am a hard ass about some things. Ignorance of the law is an excuse she could obviously not claim. She knew right from wrong. She knew what a probation violation was. She knew writing a bad check was a probation violation. She knew if she violated her probation she was going to be incarcerated.

Her fault.

If she didn't want the treatment of prison life she should have not broken the law.

I accept that there is something seriously wrong with that woman. I wonder what and whatever its cause(s)? However, unchristian, Old Testament punishment philosophies, as well as the high crime rate, are a strong indication that something is seriously wrong with society as a whole.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:38:22 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:38:53 AM   
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I'm sorry I was not actually talking about you when I made the crying statement there are some others that like to get on the boards and whine about any and all things having to do with laws and their enforcement.


No problem. It just always ends up the same with people getting heated over these things I guess.

Anyway, I'll leave you guys to dish it out, I'm off to do some shopping. :) 


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:39:46 AM   
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I'm sorry I was not actually talking about you when I made the crying statement there are some others that like to get on the boards and whine about any and all things having to do with laws and their enforcement.



And then there are those that whine against the whiners, usually by invoking a spurious 'left-wing' agenda whilst advocating for their own side  .

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:40:47 AM   
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My friend fucked up, but she is not a bad person.


I don't know all the details of the bad check she passed, so I can't really comment on what kind of a person she is. A lot of people in this thread seem quick to condemn her in the strongest terms for her original offense, but without knowing the circumstances, I don't think that's a fair assessment. Did she write the check with the intent to steal? Or did she just fuck up balancing her checkbook, rack up some overdraft fees, one thing led to another, and the next thing you know the bank was NSFing the check? Or was it something in between? I don't know. In the one case, I'd say yeah - she is a bad person, because she's a thief. On the other end of the range of possibilities, I could see where you'd be justified in saying she's not a bad person, but even in the most charitable interpretation of events, I think you'd have to admit she's a very irresponsible and exceedingly dumb one.

So I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. Is her treatment excessive? Yes, absolutely, even if she is in fact a stone cold thief. And especially so if she's just someone who made a series of stupid financial decisions that culminated in her checking account blowing up in her face. But whatever the circumstances of the original crime, the fact is, she got a second chance then to straighten her life out and live by the rules, and she said "fuck it" and threw it back in the judge's face. She had her chance then to prove that it was just a one-time mistake, and that she was serious about living a responsible, law-abiding life. That's what probation is all about. But she decided that for whatever reason, the rules she'd been given to follow didn't apply to her, so she tossed 'em over the side and did what she wanted to do instead. Which tends to suggest that she's not a lily-white angel of purity who just fucked up once, but rather someone who doesn't have any regard for the law and who thinks that she can do whatever she likes and screw the consequences.

Trouble is, judges don't like that. They like to feel that when they tell people what they're supposed to do to stay out of jail, the people are paying attention. And if the people don't pay attention, the judges usually try harder to get their attention. Now your friend's made herself a convicted felon, and she's got a year of misery to look forward to, and I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. I agree her treatment is way too harsh for a non-violent offender, but she's got nobody to blame but herself for putting herself in this situation, because the system tried to give her options and she told the system to go fuck itself. Now the system is going to make sure that one way or the other, she gets the point.

Good luck to her. I hope she gets it this time. She's lucky to have a friend as good as you. That may make all the difference in whether or not she makes something positive out of this, but don't let her play you too badly. Sounds like maybe she's got a habit of that.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:42:43 AM   
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If you don't mind my asking....do you agree or disagree with this statement:

Any person who commits any crime under any circumstances, deserves any and all consequences they encounter.


Hmmm.....that was the general attitude of society prior to Hammurabi's Code, where an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and vigilant justice was the norm. Though apparently from the attitudes of some posters, being civilized and evolving into a more humane and compassionate beings is absent.
  As for the OP's friend, yes she made a mistake and by all accounts and was compounded by a second mistake. Yes I agree she needs to pay the consequences yet I do believe that the consequences SHOULD fit the crime. It is too bloody easy to sit here and say she should put up and shut up and do her time. Frankly that type of attitude makes us no better then a wild animal. We all made mistakes and some of us had got caught breaking a law. We who did get caught were given a second chance and we took that opportunity to not make that mistake a second time.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:43:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		my only agenda has been to say that if you break the law then don't cry about having to do the time that has been set forth as your punishment. It's the non violent offenders who are most likely to learn a lesson from doing some jail time. If they don't want to be back in that enviroment they won't do it again. period.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:44:46 AM   
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No Bear what I was saying was that when you break the law you are given a term of inprisonment to fit that one crime. You are not going to do the same time for every crime. That being said you can't expect to get off easy if you are given probation as a second chance and then screw up again. At that point you have to do the time that you would have served in the first place.


Ok then I misinterpreted what you said sci and I do apologize for that.


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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:47:59 AM   
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As for the OP's friend, yes she made a mistake and by all accounts and was compounded by a second mistake. Yes I agree she needs to pay the consequences yet I do believe that the consequences SHOULD fit the crime. It is too bloody easy to sit here and say she should put up and shut up and do her time. Frankly that type of attitude makes us no better then a wild animal. We all made mistakes and some of us had got caught breaking a law. We who did get caught were given a second chance and we took that opportunity to not make that mistake a second time.



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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:49:08 AM   
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No Bear what I was saying was that when you break the law you are given a term of inprisonment to fit that one crime. You are not going to do the same time for every crime. That being said you can't expect to get off easy if you are given probation as a second chance and then screw up again. At that point you have to do the time that you would have served in the first place.


Ok then I misinterpreted what you said sci and I do apologize for that.

No problem at all I get misunderstood alot lol.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:51:49 AM   
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Prison for non-violent offences is morally wrong, counterproductive, furthers the cause of criminality, and costs too much money to the taxpayer.

Discuss.
Unless they're rich conservatives, right?  Like Madoff or Scooter Libby or anyone of a conservative nature who has been tossed into jail for non-violent offenses.

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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:54:29 AM   
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RE: Prison visitation - 5/20/2009 7:57:00 AM   
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Crime and punishment have NOTHING to do with religious tenets.  if they did, then we wouldnt have judges and juries, things would be decided in church
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