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cpK69 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:25:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Law in an inanimate object, there can be no fault placed on it; it is what it is. Just after you attributed human qualities and the power of unethical action to the "law [that] is a bitch, out for revenge" rofl? You really have to decide what the hell you're talking about. Are you aware that acute can become miniscule? Unless you wish to discuss this in metaphoric speak (I won’t hold my breath), lets consider law to be a concept. Kim

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:29:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Are you aware that acute can become miniscule? Unless you wish to discuss this in metaphoric speak (I won’t hold my breath), lets consider law to be a concept. This makes absolutely no sense to me, sorry.

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:30:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 It's a question of how incarcerated people are treated while in custody or imprisoned or whathaveyou. Just because someone has comitted a crime (especially a non-violent one) doesn't mean that they should now have to endure any and all horrors that come their way. That's the issue that's on the table. Send her to a prison here in CA. The one i work at is a fucking resort.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:32:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave The one i work at is a fucking resort. Time of departure is up to the client then [&:] ?

cpK69 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:32:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 Are you aware that acute can become miniscule? Unless you wish to discuss this in metaphoric speak (I won’t hold my breath), lets consider law to be a concept. This makes absolutely no sense to me, sorry. Surprise... Kim

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:34:48 PM)
No, it's not surprising, and I'm not the first person who's noted that your posts are extremely cryptic at best.

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:38:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure I'm still kind of fond of what would be considered barbaric punishments. They steal, cut off a hand. They steal a second time, cut off the other hand. If they manage to steal a third time, hang 'em. Rape? They'd be once and done when caught. ~sittin' back and waiting for the flames~ flames not forthcoming from me, Peaches. If we were not so concerned about the rights of the prisoner and more concerned with the rights of the victim, the justice system might be a wee bit different I read a blog from a gang member who said he actually enjoyed going to prison. It was old home week. He was able to reestablish old ties and forge new friendships. When he was released, he was immediately eligible for public assistance and housing. [8\|] And the cycle was ongoing. One of the yards at the prison i work at segregates by gang, because we can't have gangmembers killing rival gangmembers (though, they do try...often). [8\|] They're also like old friends and family developing friendships since they're all from the same geographic area...even some of he COs. The priveliges that these guys get, and what they sue (and win) for would enrage you...i've only been here for six months but if you want stories...i can tell you. Like the guy who tied a string around his toe to make it fall off and then sued and won (i've heard figures between 5 and 20 million). THEN they get to keep their winnings instead of it going directly back into the the system that is supporting them....i like to think i'm rather liberal but this bleeding heart we're abusing the inmates bullshit is too much. That warden from AZ needs to visit my institution.

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave The one i work at is a fucking resort. Time of departure is up to the client then [&:] ? They get recess twice a day (yard), get to go to the snack bar (canteen), get all of the dental, medical (organ transplantation and sex changes included) and psychiatric concerns taken care of...and paid for by the lovely residents of CA.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:44:31 PM)
Which takes us back to the original argument that I, and a few others, made, which is that not only would some people fare better outside of the prison system, especially when convincted of non-violent, first time offences... they wouldn't cost the system nearly as much money. You can't have it both ways: either you want to imprison as many people as possible, for even relatively trivial offences, such as violating probation for a dodgy check, and you fork out the considerable dough for it; or you find an alternative to prison. There are many out there (house arrest; fines; community service spring to mind).

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:49:15 PM)
i would say that most of them are very violent offenders....which makes it even more difficult for me to understand why they get all this junk when John Q America can't even afford generic antibiotics that they need or something just as basic.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:51:33 PM)
I see, so you're not even talking about a situation like the one that the OP's friend is facing. As for the many luxuries your prisoners are getting... thank fuck they're still treated like human beings. However heinous their crimes may be, they still have rights.

marie2 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:52:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave The priveliges that these guys get, and what they sue (and win) for would enrage you...i've only been here for six months but if you want stories...i can tell you. Like the guy who tied a string around his toe to make it fall off and then sued and won (i've heard figures between 5 and 20 million). THEN they get to keep their winnings instead of it going directly back into the the system that is supporting them....i like to think i'm rather liberal but this bleeding heart we're abusing the inmates bullshit is too much. That warden from AZ needs to visit my institution. I don't advocate prisoners abusing the system, but that's a separate issue in my mind and should be dealt with separately. I really don't see the corrolation between *"Abusive (or not) treatment of prisoners"* and "Prisoners who rape the system". Or maybe I'm just not clear on your point. Are you saying that prisoners who rape the system exist, therefore there isn't such a thing as detainee abuse?

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:52:33 PM)
i think she got screwed with the transportation but she should quit complaining to him and do something to fix it instead of moping and saying "poor me."

cpK69 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 7:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol No, it's not surprising, and I'm not the first person who's noted that your posts are extremely cryptic at best. What is so cryptic about understanding law is a made up concept to keep people in line? Kim

shannie -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 7:10:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave The priveliges that these guys get, and what they sue (and win) for would enrage you...i've only been here for six months but if you want stories...i can tell you. Like the guy who tied a string around his toe to make it fall off and then sued and won (i've heard figures between 5 and 20 million). THEN they get to keep their winnings instead of it going directly back into the the system that is supporting them....i like to think i'm rather liberal but this bleeding heart we're abusing the inmates bullshit is too much. That warden from AZ needs to visit my institution. Sounds like you're being fed urban legends. $20 million to a prison inmate for tying a string around his toe? The tort reform lobby would have had a heyday. Do you have a name?

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 8:19:13 PM)
It's entirely possible the way rumors spread like wildfires at that facility but some co-workers have apparently witnessed him doing it. i honestly disregarded it, something made me think of it, i will ask about it tomorrow and look it up...they will file complaints or sue for just about anything you can think of. They think they are being treated inhumanely. Granted, i will say that the OPs friend is being treated WAY worse than the way the guy are here and maybe more so than she deserves but, she really needs to suck it up and just accept the consequences of her actions. She chose to violate her probation, she needs to deal. When she gets out, maybe she can go about changing that saying "well, why do the non-violent offenders get treated the same as the violent ones do? What gives? Make the experience work for her, learn and grow from it.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 8:35:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol You may think that one year of suppressed liberty is nothing (with all the consequences that will remain attached to her for the rest of her life) - I have a different opinion about the value of time. As for your spurious link between 'consensual slavery' and prison time... it's beyond laughable. This is of course the whole point of being incarcerated. The consequences of which you speak were attached to her with the original charge, because the amount of the check made her crime a FELONY. It would appear that your opinion is that non-violent offenders should be entitled to run around willy-nilly re-offending. While there are studies have shown that prison terms have not decreased the rate of recidivism, it is also shown that second chances have rarely decreased the rate of recidivism either. I'm still waiting for YOUR suggestions on better, more productive alternatives. Currently, a high number of offenders are under house arrest, various forms of supervision (probation), community service programs. When these non-violent offenders continue to break the law, what do YOU suggest occur? How many times should someone be able to pass bad checks, commit credit card fraud, embezzlement, etc. before the punishment become more harsh? It was clear from your posts that you lacked understanding of the different programs under which someone can be incarcerated under. Now being aware that it is a minimum security facility (the OP even compares it to a rehab facility) explain how this is harsh. quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I also note that while you're quite happy to pass judgement on the OP's friend, without that many details in your possession, you refrain from doing your own homework on the PA case and decide, instead, to stick your head in the sand. To you, it seems that it's okay to exonerate three cowardly murderers whilst castigating someone for jumping probation after a bad check. It's actually quite repugnant, sorry [>:] . I haven't "passed judgement" on the OP's friend. I have objectively stated the facts regarding the processes and procedures that occur. I did that based on the facts that we were given. If you would care to point out how I "passed judgement" I would be happy to see it. Saying that she isn't a "victim" of a corrupt system isn't passing judgement. We were given several "facts". She WAS convicted of a crime, that she also admitted to perpetrating. She violated the terms of her probation, that wasn't a "maybe" it was a fact. Now there are consequences she must face. I have only explained for those who are unaware how the process works. That isn't passing judgement. As for the PA case, YOU posted the link, and I read the link and offered what little information available from that very vague news article. It wasn't MY homework to look up everything about it to prove you wrong. It would be YOUR responsibility to provide evidence to support your opinion. You didn't do that for whatever reason. So I did take a look around to find more information about the case. As it was only adjudicated the beginning of this month, transcripts will not be available for several more weeks, if not months. The jury viewed this as a fight that ended badly. The "victim" who was 25 was with a 15 year old girl. The majority of evidence indicated he started the fight. In the end, the jury could not find beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT the young men were guilty. This was a blue collar area, so this wasn't a bunch of rich white kids. The media rarely prints all the details because all the details don't always sell. It is easy to be indignant about what you believe may have happened. It is also very easy to complain about a system that every word you have written shows you have no real knowledge of how it works. The fact still remains that many who are so indignant about the supposed "corrupt" and "broken" system have no desire to get off their asses and try to fix it. It's kind of like the people who don't vote but then complain about who is in office. They forfeited their right to complain by being too lazy to take action. Same situation applies here. Get involved in organizations that work to fix it if you aren't happy with things. It's like the old saying, "you are either part of the solution, or part of the problem." Ignorance can never be passed off as knowledge, yet people never cease trying.

VeryMercurial -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 8:43:30 PM)
I wonder if the young lady in question had a public defender, or not. Often having deep pockets can buy the best legal team, and often having the best legal team will get you a different verdict and maybe even a lighter sentence.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 8:49:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Which takes us back to the original argument that I, and a few others, made, which is that not only would some people fare better outside of the prison system, especially when convincted of non-violent, first time offences... they wouldn't cost the system nearly as much money. You can't have it both ways: either you want to imprison as many people as possible, for even relatively trivial offences, such as violating probation for a dodgy check, and you fork out the considerable dough for it; or you find an alternative to prison. There are many out there (house arrest; fines; community service spring to mind). What part of reality do you not understand? House arrest, fines, and community service are ALL used first. But when someone doesn't get the hint and keeps breaking the rules, we take the next step. Violent offenders are NEVER sent to minimum security so the "dodgy check writer" worrying that the gang member in the next bed will kill them is pure fantasy. The chick in the next bed probably got caught too many times for drunk driving. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you truly have no factual knowledge of what is going on, how valid can you expect others to think your opinion is?

LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 8:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I see, so you're not even talking about a situation like the one that the OP's friend is facing. As for the many luxuries your prisoners are getting... thank fuck they're still treated like human beings. However heinous their crimes may be, they still have rights. So if someone were to rape and kill your kid, you think he is entitled to be treated well while in prison? Thank God even the prisoners wouldn't want to be around him. If it was up to you, he would be eating lobster and watching the playboy channel because he has "rights". They are entitled to basic human rights. They should not have the right to more than basic medical care, so no sex change operation. Psych should always be available as that is the only hope for rehabillitation. Earning a college degree at the taxpayers expense is a luxury, not a right. Gym equipment is a luxury, not a right. Television is a luxury not a right. Having makeup is not a right. Having a comfortable bed is not a right. Unless there is a verifiable food allergy, it doesn't matter if you like the food. The army eats powdered eggs, why shouldn't they? When you talk about things that even the ACLU isn't willing to defend, it is time to do a bit of research.

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