LafayetteLady
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
You may think that one year of suppressed liberty is nothing (with all the consequences that will remain attached to her for the rest of her life) - I have a different opinion about the value of time. As for your spurious link between 'consensual slavery' and prison time... it's beyond laughable.
This is of course the whole point of being incarcerated. The consequences of which you speak were attached to her with the original charge, because the amount of the check made her crime a FELONY. It would appear that your opinion is that non-violent offenders should be entitled to run around willy-nilly re-offending. While there are studies have shown that prison terms have not decreased the rate of recidivism, it is also shown that second chances have rarely decreased the rate of recidivism either.
I'm still waiting for YOUR suggestions on better, more productive alternatives. Currently, a high number of offenders are under house arrest, various forms of supervision (probation), community service programs. When these non-violent offenders continue to break the law, what do YOU suggest occur? How many times should someone be able to pass bad checks, commit credit card fraud, embezzlement, etc. before the punishment become more harsh?
It was clear from your posts that you lacked understanding of the different programs under which someone can be incarcerated under. Now being aware that it is a minimum security facility (the OP even compares it to a rehab facility) explain how this is harsh.
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I also note that while you're quite happy to pass judgement on the OP's friend, without that many details in your possession, you refrain from doing your own homework on the PA case and decide, instead, to stick your head in the sand. To you, it seems that it's okay to exonerate three cowardly murderers whilst castigating someone for jumping probation after a bad check. It's actually quite repugnant, sorry  .
I haven't "passed judgement" on the OP's friend. I have objectively stated the facts regarding the processes and procedures that occur. I did that based on the facts that we were given. If you would care to point out how I "passed judgement" I would be happy to see it. Saying that she isn't a "victim" of a corrupt system isn't passing judgement. We were given several "facts". She WAS convicted of a crime, that she also admitted to perpetrating. She violated the terms of her probation, that wasn't a "maybe" it was a fact. Now there are consequences she must face. I have only explained for those who are unaware how the process works. That isn't passing judgement.
As for the PA case, YOU posted the link, and I read the link and offered what little information available from that very vague news article. It wasn't MY homework to look up everything about it to prove you wrong. It would be YOUR responsibility to provide evidence to support your opinion. You didn't do that for whatever reason.
So I did take a look around to find more information about the case. As it was only adjudicated the beginning of this month, transcripts will not be available for several more weeks, if not months. The jury viewed this as a fight that ended badly. The "victim" who was 25 was with a 15 year old girl. The majority of evidence indicated he started the fight. In the end, the jury could not find beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT the young men were guilty. This was a blue collar area, so this wasn't a bunch of rich white kids. The media rarely prints all the details because all the details don't always sell.
It is easy to be indignant about what you believe may have happened. It is also very easy to complain about a system that every word you have written shows you have no real knowledge of how it works. The fact still remains that many who are so indignant about the supposed "corrupt" and "broken" system have no desire to get off their asses and try to fix it. It's kind of like the people who don't vote but then complain about who is in office. They forfeited their right to complain by being too lazy to take action. Same situation applies here. Get involved in organizations that work to fix it if you aren't happy with things. It's like the old saying, "you are either part of the solution, or part of the problem." Ignorance can never be passed off as knowledge, yet people never cease trying.
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