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Politesub53 -> RE: Are we born with any "Right" in your opinion? (5/31/2009 3:41:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

To get back to the OP, one only has a right that one can defend or take. That is more in line with nature, even human nature. Now to create a Social Contract, where each person upon birth gain minimal rights, that are protected by the state, is using social pressure, but it is backed by physical force. Authorities of such a state will use even deadly force to protect this right. Then upon reaching some arbitrary age, that such a society determines, that same person gains other rights. These are all determined by humans, and may be different from culture to culture. If they were universal, then all cultures would naturally evolve to have such, but not all cultures do.



I agree with this Orion, some people are born with rights, depending on which Country they were lucky enough to be born in.




Crush -> RE: Are we born with any "Right" in your opinion? (5/31/2009 3:45:10 PM)


So no "Natural Rights" but "Recognized Rights" would be a good summation?




Politesub53 -> RE: Are we born with any "Right" in your opinion? (5/31/2009 4:03:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Crush


So no "Natural Rights" but "Recognized Rights" would be a good summation?



That sums it up nicely for me.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are we born with any "Right" in your opinion? (5/31/2009 6:07:33 PM)

This also goes to another point, it is that country/society they are in that upholds those rights. Those rights were usually won with violence, and as a last resort they can only be protected by violence. Social pressures can be used, and often are in modern times, but we still see many countries who have different cultures that use violence to attempt to enforce their rights.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

To get back to the OP, one only has a right that one can defend or take. That is more in line with nature, even human nature. Now to create a Social Contract, where each person upon birth gain minimal rights, that are protected by the state, is using social pressure, but it is backed by physical force. Authorities of such a state will use even deadly force to protect this right. Then upon reaching some arbitrary age, that such a society determines, that same person gains other rights. These are all determined by humans, and may be different from culture to culture. If they were universal, then all cultures would naturally evolve to have such, but not all cultures do.



I agree with this Orion, some people are born with rights, depending on which Country they were lucky enough to be born in.




DomImus -> RE: Are we born with any "Right" in your opinion? (5/31/2009 7:35:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Every animal, be it human or other has the right to exist. Something else created that life, so who are we to think otherwise, us being a creation of that something.


How can you say for certain that 'that something' did not create life B simply to provide food for life A? Where is life B's right to exist in that scenario?

To answer the OP's question I do not believe we are born with any inherent rights, per sé. Rights are something man bestowed upon man.





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