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Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To The... - 6/2/2009 9:59:25 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090603/bs_nm/us_hummer_11

I'm not sure "Government Motors" is the right label for the old GM.

Maybe we should be calling it "Obama Motors". He IS the government, after all.

I don't see anything slowing him down at all, in doing whatever he wants to do.

Would the last government employee leaving Detroit, please be sure to turn the lights off?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/2/2009 11:09:24 PM

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My question about this sale is, what exactly is this Chinese company getting? Let's keep in mind that Hummer began by developing an extremely capable off-road, light weapons platform. Are they buying factories and employee pension plans, or are they getting a shitload of military technology we might wish they hadn't been handed? Yeah, I know. It's hardly the timing sequences for an H-bomb, but HMMWVs move armies pretty damn well.

How long before this company starts getting orders from the Chinese Army?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 1:10:31 AM

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I didn't vote for Obama. Everyone who did, raise their hands.
I just heard a news story... due to government control... am I in Russia?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 1:17:12 AM

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Any excuse to knock Obama eh Sanity ?

GM have decided to sell of an unprofitable vehicle ( From your own link ) Something they have a right to do in a free world wide market. Somehow it is Obama`s fault

You would have posted the same nonsense if Obama had bailed GM out. Can you tell me how GM could survive, without either a bailout, or selling parts of the company ?

Would you rather that Hummer wasnt brought out, and that those workers were made redundant ?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 1:18:53 AM

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I didn't vote for Obama. Everyone who did, raise their hands.
I just heard a news story... due to government control... am I in Russia?

The same question for you and anyone else that blames Obama for this. How would you have saved GM and the jobs of workers at the Hummer plants ?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 1:26:14 AM

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My question about this sale is, what exactly is this Chinese company getting? Let's keep in mind that Hummer began by developing an extremely capable off-road, light weapons platform. Are they buying factories and employee pension plans, or are they getting a shitload of military technology we might wish they hadn't been handed? Yeah, I know. It's hardly the timing sequences for an H-bomb, but HMMWVs move armies pretty damn well.

How long before this company starts getting orders from the Chinese Army?

GM did not develop the HMMWV. AM General did. They build the H1 and H2 for GM. So really I have no idea what GM is selling.

China already has 2 companies building HMMWV's with an unknown connection to AM General.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 1:32:41 AM

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I wouldn't have thrown 20 billion at the company, literally taking control over it, and given 50 billion more so they can go through bankruptcy.
They should have decided to go into bankruptcy without the government's money.
Airlines and retailers have done it, restructured, and came out okay.
But we are now in the age of the bailout, so we should expect it.
What has happened to the hard earned dollar?

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I didn't vote for Obama. Everyone who did, raise their hands.
I just heard a news story... due to government control... am I in Russia?

The same question for you and anyone else that blames Obama for this. How would you have saved GM and the jobs of workers at the Hummer plants ?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 4:23:10 AM

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I fear for the population of a country where, with little social welfare provision as a safety net, so many would be quite happy to see tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of their countrymen and women thrown into poverty for the mistakes of others, whilst simultaneously holding that this instance in particular and the application of such thinking in general, does not affect them or it would seem have the slightest potential of affecting them.

The irony of the whole situation is stunning; naked selfishness and sod the consequences got us into this mess and we now believe that by pursuing the same ideology we should improve things?

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 5:30:20 AM

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While I would be tickled pink to offer up a big plate of blame to Obama and the other idiots in D.C., Politesub is correct. The hummer is losing money.... it's not like we are selling the plans for state of the art weapons systems. China has more then enough weapons to deal with us at the moment.. if they wanted to lead us to ruin all they need do is dump all those dollars they have onto the market.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 5:38:27 AM

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What has happened to the hard earned dollar?

It's grave marker is right next to the one for comon sense. It died with us leaving the gold standard and the notion that a hand out was a thing a man took with his hat in his hand. I was raised for a good part of my life by my grand parents. I will never forget my grandfather telling me.. teaching me that charity was a shameful thing to take. These lessons came as we were leaving boxes of vegtables on the door steps of a neighbors house because well.. times where hard.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 6:47:11 AM

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Any excuse to knock Obama eh Sanity ?

If the Obama apologists think they are going to play their 'attack the messenger' game for the entire next three and a half years they're going to have a long row to hoe, because the shine is already off the corrupt, young, and inexperienced Jr. Senator. Add to that, Obama's not very bright, either. As an example of what I mean, he's got a very young person, just 31 years young and totally inexperienced in the world of automobile manufacturing, dismantling one of the nation's biggest and best employers (GM) and sending many of its workers home with the president's condolences.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/business/01deese.html

Lovely, huh?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53GM have decided to sell of an unprofitable vehicle ( From your own link ) Something they have a right to do in a free world wide market. Somehow it is Obama`s fault

Obama took the reigns, so whatever happens IS his fault. He fired GM's CEO, he's dictating orders, and so the plant closings are his. The selling off to China is his.

Obama also stopped Bush's offshore drilling plans, and so speculation is driving the price of oil back up, in case you haven't noticed. Further harming the economy as a whole, and autoworkers in particular.

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You would have posted the same nonsense if Obama had bailed GM out. Can you tell me how GM could survive, without either a bailout, or selling parts of the company ?

Nonsense? The nonsense here isn't mine - it's yours and Obama's. This should have been handled with a bankruptcy, then restructuring - the way its always been done in the past. That way the unions (which are at fault here probably more than Obama himself) would have been put in their place, instead of the bondholders and the shareholders getting absolutely reamed like this.

There is no need for a little dictator at the helm at all, no need to sell off what could be a profitable division to China. This entire affair, the way our little king is handling this is totally unconstitutional, and it's appalling that Congress (and even GM) is going along with it.

Obama only wants his dirty little fingers in this because he has his socialist agenda to meet, just like his supporters do, and a lot of average people are going to go through an immense amount of pain that they wouldn't have if Obama weren't bringing his far left anti capitalism policies to fruition.

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Would you rather that Hummer wasnt brought out, and that those workers were made redundant ?

I'd rather Obama and his Democratic comrades in Congress hadn't worked so hard to stop oil drilling and to destroy Fannie and Freddie, and done everything else they did to destroy the economy so that GM would still be profitable today! Obama's comments about 'spreading the wealth' and his going to war against the 'rich' (and therefore business) sparked this recession as much as or more than anything else has. Today's economy is more a crisis of confidence than anything, and why has business and Wall Street lost confidence?

Two words - Barack Obama.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 7:34:12 AM

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It only makes sense to sell Hummer (well at least from the point of view of the White House), as GM is no longer a car company. GM is becoming a national jobs program

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 8:43:42 AM

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And only the Chinese can have luxury goods (like Hummers) because they're not 'green'.

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It only makes sense to sell Hummer (well at least from the point of view of the White House), as GM is no longer a car company. GM is becoming a national jobs program

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 8:58:59 AM

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Now that is just being cynical... our government wouldn't sell off a division of a company because it made "gas guzzlers" and didn't fit into the new proposed CAFE standards. Then again, that could be precisely the reason they did it, somebody realized how much it was going to cost to convert the plant and vehicles over to meet those new proposals and standards.

Is this what they had in mind for cap and trade? Just somefin ta tink about...

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And only the Chinese can have luxury goods (like Hummers) because they're not 'green'.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 9:31:12 AM

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And only the Chinese can have luxury goods (like Hummers) because they're not 'green'

The link in your Op states production is staying in the US. So i would think the target buyers would remain as is.

I wasnt shooting the messenger as such, just commenting on the amount of "lets Blame Obama" threads. The implications of letting GM go bankrupt, at a time when the stock exchange was in freefall, would have been a catastrophe. GM were in trouble long before Obama took office, we both know that. Yet many here cant understand that fact. Im not sure why you think it was Obama who destroyed the economy while Bush was in office.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 9:43:36 AM

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GM were in trouble long before Obama took office, we both know that. Yet many here cant understand that fact. Im not sure why you think it was Obama who destroyed the economy while Bush was in office.

Don't worry, there are just as many who do understand that the problems did not start in January of '09. Join me in waving a heartfelt goodbye to the OP's credibility. Just like we do everytime a thread like this comes up.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 11:17:13 AM

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How did Obama & the Democrats destroy the economy while Bush was in office, you ask?

Here's part of the story:

Obama: sub-prime mortgages "a good idea".

Democrats were wrong on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - and Bush, McCain & the Republicans were right.

And of course the resulting credit crisis hit all the automakers extremely hard.

There's a lot more where that came from if you ever care to actually look into it, as opposed to what you are doing now - which is casting aspersions without having any real facts information to back yourself up.

As for GM, Democrats have always hated and gone after big businesses like GM. Ambulance chasing attorneys have harmed the business, they and unions combined with the C.A.F.E rules and the lack of America's ability to drill for and process oil... resulting in last summer's record gasoline prices have gone a long way towrds causing all the cumulative damage we're seeing come to fruition today.

And "letting them go bankrupt" is how it's legally done when this sort of thing happens. They're restructured under court supervision, as opposed to the supervision of politicians who have an agenda.

Regarding automaker's financial position though, there is practically no end to the roadblocks and impediments those on the left have thrown in their way.

And now that the far left is getting what they've always seemed to want in Detroit's slowly dying an agonizing death, are they happy yet?

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The link in your Op states production is staying in the US. So i would think the target buyers would remain as is.

I wasnt shooting the messenger as such, just commenting on the amount of "lets Blame Obama" threads. The implications of letting GM go bankrupt, at a time when the stock exchange was in freefall, would have been a catastrophe. GM were in trouble long before Obama took office, we both know that. Yet many here cant understand that fact. Im not sure why you think it was Obama who destroyed the economy while Bush was in office.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 11:19:24 AM

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My question about this sale is, what exactly is this Chinese company getting? Let's keep in mind that Hummer began by developing an extremely capable off-road, light weapons platform. Are they buying factories and employee pension plans, or are they getting a shitload of military technology we might wish they hadn't been handed? Yeah, I know. It's hardly the timing sequences for an H-bomb, but HMMWVs move armies pretty damn well.
How long before this company starts getting orders from the Chinese Army?

GM did not develop the HMMWV. AM General did. They build the H1 and H2 for GM. So really I have no idea what GM is selling.

China already has 2 companies building HMMWV's with an unknown connection to AM General.

GM bought the Hummer brand from AM General, in the late 90's. The H2 and H3 were GM creations. AM General made the H1 and H2 for GM, with GM building the H3.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 11:24:48 AM

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It would be interesting to know what Government Motors actually got in exchange from Chinese. I smell conspiracy here; perhaps the company is used as a front by Chinese government (secret sale to a company which has never produced cars). I guess it is related to China supporting US corrupt bankers.

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RE: Government Motors Is Selling The Hummer Division To... - 6/3/2009 11:31:14 AM

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Are there actually any private Chinese companies? I don't think there are. Aren't they all controlled by the Chinese government?

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It would be interesting to know what Government Motors actually got in exchange from Chinese. I smell conspiracy here; perhaps the company is used as a front by Chinese government (secret sale to a company which has never produced cars). I guess it is related to China supporting US corrupt bankers.

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