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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/4/2009 10:47:49 AM   
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IT's totally off topic to the question but perhaps you should work on those traits and get help and over come them first before entering any new relationships, that's not a overal healthy way to be when going into a realtionship and could kill or smother its progression.


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 I am a very insecure and negative person so i dont know if its that and im perhaps seeing things which arent there. He said we are together just not 'full on' so things are still pretty vauge.To me he just seems to have changed slightly...or maybe hes sick of saying the same things to me - but thats what  i need from him until my confidence builds up.


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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/4/2009 11:00:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Okay maybe I'm the only person who has ever ordered something online or from a catalog.  You can read the descriptions, check out the pictures, study the size guidelines and expect to look just like the catalog model but when the item arrives, maybe it just doesn't fit.  Or it drapes differently on your body type than on the model.  Or maybe the seafoam green was really more kelly green, whatever.   Is it the online store's fault?  The manufacturer's fault?  Your fault?  No!!  There's no blame, no fault, just the way things work sometimes.

Meeting people online is a lot like shopping online.  You really will never know until the item or person arrives in real time. 

So, what have you learned from this experience?



Uhhh lemme guess it's right on the tip of my tongue ....damn ...oh yea  its real SIMPLE don't order ppl online.  But I hear they are having a sale on HOT russian Bitches...  ya know the mail order bride type.  Perhaps I'll order 2 in case one is defective.

Your comparing ordering clothes to ordering ppl online????  WhatTheHellOver... Lemme ask you this, what pet dog or cat did you order online???  It aint happening cuz you wanna touch and feel the puppy...  Side how do you box up a person to ship back to the mfg ???

BRB Fedex is here deliveing my hot russian

Ive heard it all now  BadOne



Wow are you having a bad day or something?  You said it time and time and time again that it's not real until you meet in real life.  My point was simply that stating things in a profile or in chat or IM doesn't mean the same as the same conversations in person.  In other words, don't expect to "order people" online because if ya can't buy clothes online for chrissake, how much worse can it be trying to use online as the sole basis of what a person is like?  I guess I really don't express myself well but     I believe your exact words were:
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"Give me a complete break...  How FREAKING serious can anyone be before you meet in person??? 

I realize there are tons of internet relationship morons that claim "undying" love right until the next internet moron pops into the chat room.  Ive seen ppl play 5 at a time for kicks. 


And I was agreeing with you.
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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/4/2009 11:07:22 AM   
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yep I get that you and I are on the same page...  Your analogy left quite a bit to be desired.  Apples and oranges Babeeeeee

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/4/2009 2:01:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
Meeting people online is a lot like shopping online.  You really will never know until the item or person arrives in real time. 


Except it's usually easier to send the stuff back where it came from when you shop online.

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 2:10:42 AM   
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i am really doing this as a theraputic excerise in order to me to make sense of things.  if more experinced people  wish to give there views or opinions thats cool.

about a month ago i met the most awesome person on here. he moved quickly and told me i was his, had me do a few tasks and spent alot of time talking on IM and on the phone. We were practically in a relationship before we met with him and i did feel quite owned and i loved it. We decided to meet and this took place at the weekend just gone. We had a really good time together, mostly had vanilla sex, one kinky time *which i felt i kinda talked him into - he said he didnt feel like he knew me well enough for kinky...but then did it anyway* then he said we'd see each other again and he wud visit me next time. Now i am totally confused about it. We still spent alot of time on IM but the phone calls and lil tasks have stopped leaving me feeling un-owned again. I have tried talking to him about it last night and it just ended in a bit of an argument. There seems to be a slight personaility clash - im quite intense and say directly what i mean. he is more laid back and doesnt really see why i have an issue at all. He says he still likes me and hes tried to tell me that in his own way. I am a very insecure and negative person so i dont know if its that and im perhaps seeing things which arent there. He said we are together just not 'full on' so things are still pretty vauge.To me he just seems to have changed slightly...or maybe hes sick of saying the same things to me - but thats what  i need from him until my confidence builds up. he said he has tried to tell me how he feels ect and i dont respond to it - which i disagreed with as i know id totally embrace it if he did to that, and so he has stopped trying. For example if ive told him ive missed him or have been thinking about him he replies with an 'lol' or a smilie which is frustrating. im worried to talk to him bout it now coz i dont wanna push him away and put him off me, which i  do tend to do with people i like. if he took a more relaxed approach in the begining before we met that would have been fine. i want things to run as smoothly as possible and for him to be a proper dom to me...like how it was before we met - but better. i probs shouldnt post this incase he sees it and thinks im an even bigger nut job!

Have i tried to push things on him and hes not keen so has backed off a little?
Am i expecting too much too soon?

This probably doesnt read so well so apologies.




Nope, this reads quite well, and you have nothing to apologise for :) I am getting from your letter that you seem t hold yourself responsible for the breakdown in the relationship,that you drove him away, etc. He must share some of the responsibility. He became distant and started sending out conflicting signals - not you. You were straight up about your desires and your intentions. If upon meeting you, he realised that there was no chemistryor no future there, he should have been up-front then and there, rather than dancing around with you playing hot and cold. It's NOT  YOUR FAULT.

Another thing, in your letter, you described yourself as "insecure" and "negative" - maybe you're too hard on yourself. You need to be strong on your own, without feeling lonely or feeling unlovable, before being with anyone else. If you don't love yourself, you won't be able to love anyone else fully, and be loved in return. You area very beautiful, sweet person I am sure :)


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< Message edited by KateyCaine -- 6/5/2009 2:20:52 AM >


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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 4:49:00 AM   
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I'm confused as to why this is confusing. The only difference between this and any other hook-up is that he spent a few weeks telling you that you were owned and getting his rocks off to the thought of you trotting around the house performing for him. Why? Because whatever common sense you might have had in the past that allowed you to navigate the bar/dating scene without become emotionally attached to every drunk who had a hard dick and time on his hands, disappeared the moment you ventured into the vaunted RL.

I can be the best mechanic in the world. That doesn't make me the man who should work on your TV. I can be a genius at mathematics. That doesn't mean because I can balance your checkbook in 2 minutes that I'm your soul mate. You took a Dom label someone had pasted upon themselves and chained yourself to it without ever actually knowing the person and expected... I don't know what.

But, you do know what you got.





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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 5:40:44 AM   
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I am sure I will draw fire from some of my comments here.

You left out some very important information from your post.

First, sub4spanks, what did this man do or say to make you feel "Owned"?  was the talk mostly sexual?  If so, then IF he is a dominant at all, his thing is mostly sexual dominance and not much more.  A master owns you by capturing your mind, your heart and your body is LAST.  There are people here for all sorts of reasons, and if you want a relationship, you need to be VERY clear about that, and proceed accordingly.

Second, why didnt this man come to see you?  you mentioned his family, what is that about?  Is he married? 

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 6:11:59 AM   
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ok - i guess to start with the conversations were mostly sexual on line - on the phone we talked about a whole range of things...from our families to our fave subway fillings!

He made me feel owned in that the little tasks he had me do for him, wanting to see me on cam or to call him, and the fact he didnt want me meeting any other men.

He didnt come to see me as he had an appointment on the saturday which couldnt be moved..he offered to come see me the next weekend - i didnt want to wait though. He is only 20, not married and lives with his mother and step father. it simply wasnt realistic for me to stay at his place during this visit. I hope i have answered ur questions :)

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 6:34:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

IT's totally off topic to the question but perhaps you should work on those traits and get help and over come them first before entering any new relationships, that's not a overal healthy way to be when going into a realtionship and could kill or smother its progression.


quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4spanks

 I am a very insecure and negative person so i dont know if its that and im perhaps seeing things which arent there. He said we are together just not 'full on' so things are still pretty vauge.To me he just seems to have changed slightly...or maybe hes sick of saying the same things to me - but thats what  i need from him until my confidence builds up.



I don't think this is off topic at all.  Speculating wildly about some dude is much more off topic.  I've had a first date before and said, "Holy smoke, this lady has ish-ssshues," so I wasn't interested in a second date.  Does that make me a pussyseeking pantyraider, or a levelheaded guy?

sub4spanks, you can't control him.  You can, however, control yourself.  I'll tell you, straight up, I don't keep insecure or negative people in my life.  The personality traits you describe will limit your potential circle of friends, and limit the men who will be willing to date you.  What can you do to be more positive?


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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 2:34:01 PM   
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No. OL to RL in a month is actually ok in certain instances. My current slave and I went from online to real life in 2 weeks and have been together in for over 3 years. Kink was introduced very slowly almost from the start.

The problem is, the person you met is not a real life Dom. He's probably trolling looking for vulnerable or naive submissives. I would cut him from your life and move on. If you were mine, I'd have no problem with kink. I wish you luck on your continued search.

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/5/2009 11:09:15 PM   
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I am really struggling with the comments such as the one below.  How on earth can any of us make such a call based on one side of a story.  Just because he hasn't acted in the way that she thought/hoped he would it doesn't mean he isn't a dom, maybe he just isn't a match for her needs at this time.

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The problem is, the person you met is not a real life Dom. He's probably trolling looking for vulnerable or naive submissives. I would cut him from your life and move on.





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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/6/2009 1:55:05 AM   
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I am really struggling with the comments such as the one below.  How on earth can any of us make such a call based on one side of a story.  Just because he hasn't acted in the way that she thought/hoped he would it doesn't mean he isn't a dom, maybe he just isn't a match for her needs at this time.

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ORIGINAL: SexyBlackMan2
The problem is, the person you met is not a real life Dom. He's probably trolling looking for vulnerable or naive submissives. I would cut him from your life and move on.






He just wants to get to know me as a person and not just as his sub..i think that is a very good thing. We have talked about 'us' and now feeling alot happier and settled as he has been clear on how he feels and what he still expects from me. As suggested we are taking things slowly, relaxing and letting the relationship develop naturally *either positivly or negativly* He is comming to see me as soon as he can. He is a wonderful man and i am looking forward to seeing where this goes. I am not confused now, i know where i stand :) so thank u to every single person who has replied and given thier opinions and advice. It has helped me a lot. Fingers crossed then!!! xx

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RE: confused sub - the transition from OL to RL - 6/6/2009 1:56:43 AM   
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We have talked about 'us' and now feeling alot happier and settled as he has been clear on how he feels and what he still expects from me.


awesome to hear


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