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Sanity -> RE: IAEA say Iran and Syria still working on nuclear capabilities (6/6/2009 2:24:56 PM)
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
Stop reading into things what you want to see. You completely missed any point Tim had, and instead created your own points to respond to, and made them out as if they were Tim's. Jeez people, try communicating.
Why do you have to pick sides like this... stop being so divisive and partisan. [:D]
Besides, you're wrong. Try reading the posts again:
Tim: "Well folks, we can't just invade Iran. It's a large, powerful nation. Same with N. Korea, incidentally. War with either would be long, bloody and costly. Bush invaded Iraq because he could--and found it just wasn't so simple. These actions have repercussions."
Me: "What can we do? Join Israel, and bomb their bomb factories, that's what we can do."
Tim: "I wrote a piece just after the Afghanistan invasion about its short-sightedness. Among my concerns was that with pre-emptive invasion, we were demonstrating to other nations, including Iran and Syria, that negotiation with us was pointless, that only power mattered, and that they should--and would--pursue nuclear weapons as their only long term security"
Me: "What you seem to be forgetting is that right now Iran is building nuclear bombs. They are telling us that they are building bombs! They come right out and broadcast it, and they're telling the world that as soon as they feel confident that they are ready they are going to commit homicide on a massive scale.... What is NATO for, anyway. Why do we have a UN. Is it all just a joke? Here in the U.S., if you put a kitten in a microwave that's a crime, and most reasonable people would stop anyone who they saw doing that. But we will stand idly by and watch Mahmoud Ahmadinejad build his nukes while openly telling everyone who will listen that he is preparing to kill millions and millions of people?"
Tim: "It's a dangerous world, and I'm worried about the consequences. It's also a world we've helped create."
Me: "Everyone is innocent, except for us. Is that your point? Because I'm telling you it's naive to think that way. Sure, we've helped create this world - but so has everyone else. They have created us as much as we have created them, and if you go back far enough no one is innocent."
Tim (After several hot-headed insults on his part): "Look, such an invasion is always possible. No doubt our military is prepared just in case. But we have a history of causing as many problems as we "solve" by hot-headed, single-minded short term thinking---like arming war lords in Afghanistan in the 80s, for example, or invading Iraq. An attack on Iran will make us long for our current state of the economy and relative peace. It's an extreme last resort, as the cost would be unbelievably high. Other routes are necessary... Unfortunately, Iran probably will attain nuclear arms within the next five years. Keep in mind that using them would be costly to Iran as well. But the world isn't as simple as the voices say."
Me: "I said nothing about an invasion, air strikes aren't invasions.
And something else you won't face is that Ahmadinejad isn't concerned with consequences - he has Allah on his side. We have massive air superiority on ours - and we need to use it.
Navel-gaze all you want, it doesn't do any good. The world is fully aware that the Jews are going into the ovens again, Ahmadinejad is openly proclaiming that. The only question is, how will we respond this time."
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