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Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/15/2009 5:30:50 PM   
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My wife of 10 years is just starting to get interested in her dominant nature.  She has always been dominant, but put many other labels on it (bitchy, opinionated, head-strong etc). She is done with these labels and has decided to choose her own. She does an impressive job switching between her persona's (Mistress, Wife, Mother).  I am deeply impressed with her abilities.  Part of me wishes I had it.  Hence my question...

I have a very dominant personality.  Which is causing a little confusion as she grows into her dominant nature.  We have talked and agreed that she should have another serve her.  When I offered to "try" to serve her, as best I could.  She got a wicked little smile, and giggled.  For her (and I agree) it boils down to Sincerity.  I am currently too dominant to function as a submissive for her. Regardless of what I do, or how well I perform, it is only a well intentioned act and not sincere submission. 

Is sincerity the keystone to the D/S relationship or is the consensual participation in the act enough?






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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/15/2009 7:18:37 PM   
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Is sincerity the keystone to the D/S relationship or is the consensual participation in the act enough?




I'm going to answer and pretend people ever read what I write (they don't, but I like this question anyhow).

Well, first the question of the title:

This question is a bit vague, because I don't know exactly what you mean by "be". That of course all has to do with your interpretation of BDSM and switches. As a general, though, you can certainly learn to display your precieved characteristics of both a sub and a dom. Just about everyone has this ability.

But, your second question seems to imply you've not yet defined what "being" is, since you are not sure if you must also be "sincere" (which I assume you feel you can't be). Sincere, again, is a bit vague, but I'm going to say you mean something like "I want the submission to feel like me desiring it and not me playing a role" (I could be wrong...this is just my guess). Again, this is totally going to depend on how you and your wife express D/s relationships.I think much of it has to do with the motivation of submitting.

There needn't be a deep down "call" for submission inside you in order to do so. What drives each person to desire that is specific to them, their relationship, and the context of that relationship. No singular person is 100% dominant or 100% submissive, and I am sure there are many times in your life you have sincerely submitted to the authority of others (the context most likely completely different, though). Of course, this doesn't mean whatever form of sincere submission you could give would be something your wife would want. If she wants your motivation to submit to be a sexual thrill of being humilated by a woman (just an example), and this is not a motivation for you...well...that won't work. Only you'd be able to decide what reasons you'd have for submission and how those might play out...and then she could decide if those can work with her own reasons for wanting someone to submit. Ideally, even if these didn't start out 100% in sync, there might eventually grow compromise and understanding of the other party and a relationship that neither envisioned before could start to take shape. Or...you'll both totally screw it up and hate eachother (because, well...that's what people are most likely to do in all relationships).




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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/15/2009 11:59:07 PM   
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You make several good points so I will try and clarify. 

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I don't know exactly what you mean by "be".

When I use the term be/being I am trying to determine if a "switch role" (in my described situation) is just the age old Nature -vs- Nurture argument.  An answer will not be found in my lifetime, and I don't expect one.  But if you (or anyone) looks back to the beginning what was the catalyst?  Was this a strong facet of your personality already, or did it grow from a mere curiosity or testing of ones own limits.  As you said I have a submissive side, I wonder if that is enough? 

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Sincere, again, is a bit vague, but I'm going to say you mean something like "I want the submission to feel like me desiring it and not me playing a role"

I think this is a very accurate statement.  Sincerity is (for me) is the honest exploration of some aspect of my personality.  I agree that nobody is 100% D/S and I am no exception.  I have a submissive side but I keep tightly controlled, never really giving it to another. 

Perhaps an example of what I think sincere submissiveness looks like (yes I am a wee bit envious).
I have been introduced to some very interesting submissive male personalities.  They appear to have an honest desire (almost a compulsion) to serve or please another.  Not out of fear or pain avoidance, but a simple and honest desire. You can listen to them and feel the energy in the room...almost as if it were a 'thing' you could bottle.  It is hard to describe... it is almost as if failing to please their Mistress would cause them physical or psychological harm (even before the crop falls).  As far as I can tell I just don't have that to the same degree, but to a small degree I find this an admirable trait.  I can see where having that compulsion would have made my life a bit easier, but I never do anything the easy way.  I never set out to make someone unhappy (least of all her) but it happens and I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. 

Honestly I think resistance play would be easier.  "If you want to be in control come take it from me, otherwise piss off little girl". If she ever reads this I am going to hide all her toys, because she just might take me up on that little comment.  This pleasant submission stuff seems like far to much work for me.  But for her and hopefully myself in the long run it is worth exploring.

Thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts, I am interested in reading any additional opinions you might have.




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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/16/2009 1:18:08 PM   
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quote:

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I don't know exactly what you mean by "be".

When I use the term be/being I am trying to determine if a "switch role" (in my described situation) is just the age old Nature -vs- Nurture argument.  An answer will not be found in my lifetime, and I don't expect one.  But if you (or anyone) looks back to the beginning what was the catalyst?  Was this a strong facet of your personality already, or did it grow from a mere curiosity or testing of ones own limits.  As you said I have a submissive side, I wonder if that is enough? 


Personally, it was just generally curiosity. I'm still curious...and probably will always have some curiosity about most things I've yet to experience. :) As far as those personality tests (I've taken several variations) I alway end up with high amounts of the dominant classifications and very little of the classifications that involve servitude. This somewhat plays out in how I'd prefer to bottom. For me, my desired role as a bottom is usually not one of straight obedient service -- I am much more motivated by bondage and slight amounts of force. I could certainly be in a service oriented role, but I don't think I'd be comfortable there long-term, regardless of how wonderful the dominant was.

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quote:

Sincere, again, is a bit vague, but I'm going to say you mean something like "I want the submission to feel like me desiring it and not me playing a role"

I think this is a very accurate statement.  Sincerity is (for me) is the honest exploration of some aspect of my personality.  I agree that nobody is 100% D/S and I am no exception.  I have a submissive side but I keep tightly controlled, never really giving it to another...  

...This pleasant submission stuff seems like far to much work for me.  But for her and hopefully myself in the long run it is worth exploring.





Well, as described, sincerity is honest exploration. So, certainly you could serve sincerely, if that meant you were exploring. You might not find yourself to react the same way as the males you gave examples of, though (or you may). It will have a lot to do with your wife's expectations of a submissive and you in submissive role, I think...

As an example (this may or may not be anything like what you'd encounter, but I think the phases of the scenario are somewhat universal): Your wife makes the order of having you make dinner, bring it to her, and kneel at her feet while feeding it to her. You do as requested, and try to do as best you can for her, but find yourself not delighting in the process but almost "suffering through it" for her. Now, I don't mean suffering and you enjoy the suffering so it's this weird "not really suffering"...I mean you really aren't all that keen on doing it, but are doing it regardless because you love her (or maybe are just curious to experience it). Now, your wife will most likely notice that this particular action is not putting you in a wonderful state of bliss. She will most likely discuss it briefly with you, in some form or another, when realizing this.

Now, here's kinda where things grow and adapt. Her reaction to your reaction may be one of irritation, not understanding why you don't like submitting in that way. Or, her reaction may be one of understanding, where she most likely will not do this as often and look for other ways to have you submit. If she does start to adapt to your specific needs as the submissive, you may, in turn, adapt to her needs. Because she chooses not to require certain things, you may find yourself very greatful for this and grow stronger in your desire to serve someone who is obviously thinking of you in such a loving way. In fact, you might even find yourself going out of your way to try things again just because you want to actively show that gratitude. As time goes on, and small adaptations continue, you may both grow to really appreciate how the other treats you in the role of dominant and submissive and find a niche that is wonderfully suited for the both of you. Alternatively, neither of you will be able to comfortably make some of the adaptations, and the exploring will just end at exploring.

Obviously there are many different scenarios, and varying details even in a scenario like this. However, I think two loving and mature people will find a process fairly similar to this. Your submission would certainly be sincere during this time, as long as you decided well beforehand that you're always going to be honest with your assessment of each action and not to give "fake" reactions that don't really mirror your feelings.

Your final words are a pretty concise summary of the situation "...it is worth exploring". I think exploration is always worth it, granted you go in with the right mindset. I tried wine the other day...first time ever. I HATED it! But It was really fun to hate it! I may try some other types to see if I hate them as much. I most likely will, but I'll enjoy being able to see if I do. :) Taking a stab to see if you can learn to bottom happily for your wife shouldn't really have any risk, and almost all reward. The only damage will be caused by either (or both) of you not being good/loving to eachother during the process. Most people suck at life; I don't know if you guys do or not, so only you know you and your wife well enough to know if there is any inherent risk with such sincere exploration. :P

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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/16/2009 5:11:50 PM   
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I did a poor job describing the situation, but your comments seemed spot on.  Your comments affirmed that I am not wasting my (more importantly her) time exploring this further.  Ironically it was your comment about wine tasting that spoke to me the most. No offense to the rest of your comments. 

When I started drinking wine I was offended that someone would ruin a perfectly delicious grape by turning it in to the vial liquid.  After time (why I continued I don't recall) I learn to appreciate wine on a much deeper level.  I was able to focus my attention on the most subtle details.  I now truly enjoy something that I originally found no value in.  This was perhaps this is the best metaphor anyone could have used.  Thank you for your insight, hopefully someone finds your comments as helpful as I have.

May your wine tasting bring you great joy... a toast to you.






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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/16/2009 8:19:38 PM   
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Glad what I said seemed to be helpful. I guess time will tell if it is. :) I hope more respond to this. I sometimes have a hard time articulating such thoughts without crazy rambling and tangents. :P

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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/16/2009 9:04:24 PM   
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Yes, but the hard part is hanging from a tree for so long without getting light headed

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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/16/2009 9:08:43 PM   
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Yes, but the hard part is hanging from a tree for so long without getting light headed



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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/21/2009 6:42:35 AM   
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My first experience was at 19.  A woman in her early thirties who lived a few houses down was always talking to me and saying hi, etc.  Being mostly naive at the time, especially with an older woman it never occurred to me that she was interested in me.  At 19 I looked about 15, so maybe she had a thing for 'young boys'.  Who knows?   Anyway, her submissive fantasies involved bondage, spankings, slow, long, not overly hard but quite thorough.   It took a while for me to get comfortable with that kind of thing - but we gradually tried many things.

One day I was at her place and she asked me if I would like to 'turn the tables' so to speak.   I thought about that for a couple of days and decided (somewhat reluctantly) "OK".   She told me to arrive at her place at 6pm sharp.  After entering her place we talked for a while.  There was an overstuffed chair in the middle of the room.   To make a long story short, I went over the edge of the chair, pants down.   After a warmup with her hand, she abruptly pulled my underpants down and told me to hold still while she went to get her leather paddle.  

After that ...  I was hooked .... on both giving and receiving.

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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/21/2009 9:42:45 AM   
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I think it depends on what the Dom/me is looking for out of the submissive.  I tend to dominante people that have dominant personaities as to be quite frank i find anything else boring.  But despite having strong personalities they are very open to being submissive and they can allow the dominant to have control over them, even if they find this difficult at times.  If its a constant battle and not really working then i wouldnt see the point of bothering....  you either have submission in you, or you dont... and pretending just doesnt cut it im afraid. 

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RE: Can one learn to be a switch. - 6/25/2009 2:00:06 PM   
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I tend to dominate people that have dominant personalities as to be quite frank i find anything else boring.


I never thought of it exactly like that.  It ironic how a like-minded person can boil years of life lessons into one sentence.  If I had been equipped with that one, I would have been saved several botched relationships.


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