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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 9:23:39 AM

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Yes his talent was HUGE ! and we all have our views ,
So lets Give Peace a Chance at this Time !

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 9:32:15 AM

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Yes his talent was HUGE ! and we all have our views ,
So lets Give Peace a Chance at this Time !

Hell yes his talent was huge!
That is why CNN is showing people celebrating Michael in Japan, Russia, the Phillipines,
UK, Africa, South America and almost everywhere in the world.
Some of you people are actually making me laugh.
Anyway off to make those reservations.
And to practice my funky fresh dance moves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdV7Kb1RG8Y

MzMia always thought she was the PYT!

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 9:46:13 AM

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Well, forget having a totally "tribute" thread, some people just can't take a high road even if they're pushed face down on it.....

Anyway....I'm four months older than Michael Jackson. Back in the days when I was drooling and moaning over Donny Osmond and his brothers, I still also liked the J5ive. :) Also loved "Got To Be There", but IMO, his most beautiful song, which as been kind of forgotten, was about a rat....."Ben".

I also remember when he married Lisa Marie, and how the DJ I listened to literally shouted over the airwaves, "Elvis is spinning in his grave, man!" Seems like they quietly divorced, we never really knew why, and it became the elephant in the living room that nobody talks about.

He was awesome, from the time he was a little kid, to when he went solo, to the "Thriller" and "Bad" days. Not sure what happened inside his brain, but I do feel really sad that someone who was a tiny part of my life for 40 years now is unexpectedly gone. But what a wonderful thing to go and leave such a mark on the world, tarnished as it is. Underneath that tarnish is something that will never go away.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 10:41:21 AM

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Well, MzMia, you know MY feelings.

I don't need a "tribute thread" to hide from those who feel this need to tear Michael Jackson down upon his death. They don't matter to me--at all.

Just allow me to say, on your thread, that I feel Michael Jackson was both undeniably great, as a composer and performer (one of the greatEST), and good, as a human being.

His music brought joy to millions. His concern for and love of mankind, and his wish for peace in the world, was evident in the songs he chose to write and to sing.

I don't feel any "but" when I think of Michael.

He was great. His career was historic.

He was not perfect. He was no angel.

I don't know anybody who is.

I know his flaws, faults, foibles, and eccentricities (to put it mildly) as well as anybody. Those things are not important to me now, if they ever were.

I have been listening to Michael for almost 40 years. It still find it very, very hard to believe that this tragedy has happened, and he is no longer with us. That the genius of his music is finished. That what we have is all we will ever have.

I have been enjoying Michael's music all weekend--in fact, pretty much since he died. There are precious, precious few artists whose music I could listen to non-stop for even an hour. I've been listening to Michael's music and watching his videos for a couple of days now. And I'm still enjoying it.

If you'd like to enjoy some unabashedly glowingly positive opinions of Michael and expressions of pure love for him, without the vitriol, try some of the black threads on sites where such exist.

It's ironic. Michael wrote and sang that "it don't matter if you're black or white."

Yet, the reaction to his death, I think, demonstrates the opposite.

I don't think that even one of the vicious, hateful posts that I have read about Micheal in various threads since he died was written (insofar as I can tell) by a black person. What black people have written, for the most part (and I don't remember even one exception) are expressions of love for him, deep sorrow at his death, and real appreciation for the part that his music has played in their lives.

Without any "but."

It's undeniably true that people of all races and colors are feeling the hurt of this moment. Still, it's interesting--more than that--to me that most if not all of the negative (sometimes extremely negative) posts that I have read on various threads about Michael were written by, shall I say, non-blacks. If anyone doubts the accuracy of that statement, look at this thread and that "other" thread, where the negativity was truly running rampant.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2679534/mpage_1/tm.htm

Make of that what you will. I know what I make of it.

I'm a deeply skeptical person. I find it easy to criticize and I give praise grudgingly.

This weekend, my skeptical, critical self is loving Michael, diggin' on his videos, chillin' to his music, missing him, and deeply hurt at his passing.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 10:49:09 AM

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So its just a black or white thing Blaakmaan.....now that is something I find highly disturbing....much more so than the passing of an accused pedophile.
That opinion is colored more by my experience as a victim of pedophilia than as a white person.....but feel free to paint it in any shade you like!

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 10:59:49 AM

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You all might get a chance to see MzMia, next week on t.v.!

I am planning on hopping on a bus and going to NYC {$50 round trip} to sign the wall at the Apollo, lay flowers, make many memories, and videotape/take pictures.

Look hard, I will be the cute woman moonwalking!!

Off to make bus reservations for next weekend!
Got to be there!

I'll be watching...but be careful... say could we also see a little mooning with the walking...

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 11:25:10 AM

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So its just a black or white thing Blaakmaan.....now that is something I find highly disturbing....much more so than the passing of an accused pedophile.
That opinion is colored more by my experience as a victim of pedophilia than as a white person.....but feel free to paint it in any shade you like!

Sometimes things are black and white.

Pedophilia is not the point of my post. It may be of yours.

To me, Michael Jackson is not "an accused pedophile." That's not what I think of when I think of him.

Your thoughts are whatever they are, for whatever reason they are.

I asked anyone who didn't believe what I said about the clear disparities between the comments of black and white posters to view the threads and see for themselves. Have you done that?

How do you explain it? Or do you deny that it's there?

Or, is it your opinion that all of those vicious posts, which were pretty much exclusively penned by whites, exist because the whites were victims of pedophilia and the blacks were not, or because whites are anti-pedophilia and blacks are not???

The variable at work clearly seems to be race.

But, if you have another explanation, paint it any way you like.

I'm interested in your theory, if you have one.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 11:28:00 AM

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I have watched his life from his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show to this end. It's watching his life unfold that is the most drawing for me. I've witnessed a lifetime of another human being from basically "cradle to grave". I saw a path unfolding and watched the journey. The same has happened with the Beatles. You see the start , the journey and the finish.

Fame breeds insanity and we are the catylist. We love our entertainers to DEATH! We raise them up to wait like vultures for them to fall. They get no rest sharing the gift they were giving.

Michael had his demons like we all do in one way or another. Someone posted a the quiry "why didn't he get help"? My response is... When did he have TIME?

He was driven like an animal and basically died in the harness. The Michael we knew actually died a long time ago. He was ready to go physically this time.

How will I remember him? With gratitude as a life lesson. Which is "Be careful of what you wish for, you may get it".

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 12:13:45 PM

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Michael had his demons like we all do in one way or another. ORIGINAL: LotusSong

True.

Hell, this site is Demon Central!

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 2:45:30 PM

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Now Jesse Jackson has insinuated himself into this circus.

Johnnie Cochran is dead and Al Sharpton must be busy.

The man and the people around him make it almost impossible to focus on the music.

Edited to add: I had to chuckle at Jimmy Kimmel's observation that Michael as a young man was a black entertainer that white folks could relate to and later in life a white entertainer that black folks could relate to.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 3:08:34 PM

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quote:

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So its just a black or white thing Blaakmaan.....now that is something I find highly disturbing....much more so than the passing of an accused pedophile.
That opinion is colored more by my experience as a victim of pedophilia than as a white person.....but feel free to paint it in any shade you like!

Sometimes things are black and white.

Pedophilia is not the point of my post. It may be of yours.

To me, Michael Jackson is not "an accused pedophile." That's not what I think of when I think of him.

Your thoughts are whatever they are, for whatever reason they are.

I asked anyone who didn't believe what I said about the clear disparities between the comments of black and white posters to view the threads and see for themselves. Have you done that?

How do you explain it? Or do you deny that it's there?

Or, is it your opinion that all of those vicious posts, which were pretty much exclusively penned by whites, exist because the whites were victims of pedophilia and the blacks were not, or because whites are anti-pedophilia and blacks are not???

The variable at work clearly seems to be race.

But, if you have another explanation, paint it any way you like.

I'm interested in your theory, if you have one.

I am a white poster, so to speak. Please point out anywhere that I have said anything that reflects upon his race.

If I say something, I take credit good or bad, but if I don't...I will not allow people to say otherwise.

I know it's hard to believe, maybe it's because you haven't witnessed it much in your life..but there are those of us that really don't base what we think of someone on what color their skin is.

If I didn't have a pic up, and you didn't have it in your name..no one would ever know. I think that's one thing I like about the internet, it gives us the chance to get to know others without some preconceived notion of what we think they should be.
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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 3:22:05 PM

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MJ had an art with dancing that will always intrique me and find pleasing. Personally, I wasn't really big into his songs. His eyes held a sadness within that was haunting. He offered so much to the arts. I hope he finds peace now, and the others that crossed over so he can dance and sing with them as well.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 3:47:52 PM

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It's undeniably true that people of all races and colors are feeling the hurt of this moment. Still, it's interesting--more than that--to me that most if not all of the negative (sometimes extremely negative) posts that I have read on various threads about Michael were written by, shall I say, non-blacks. If anyone doubts the accuracy of that statement, look at this thread and that "other" thread, where the negativity was truly running rampant.

And so it fuckin starts again..What wondering how long it was gonna take for someone bring up the bloody skin color.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 4:08:26 PM

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Alex Jones has a GREAT commentary on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zcce5P5Mjw this is 6 minutes. But I warn you. ..... you wont like what he says. If I posted it- here- I would be banned. But since you ASKED what I think- here it is.

If the link is broke CM me for it. A profound rant to say the least. If in a hurry skip 3 minutes in. MUST SEE. But you will be upset if you watch it tho. and the post DOES ask what "I" think.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 4:09:47 PM

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michael jackson was a great all round entertainer. he was a talented singer and songwriter and choreographer. he brought a lot of light into the world.

he also made some very poor decisions which placed him in a bad light...no one who actually KNOWS is saying what may have happened, but it was poor judgement on his part to have sleepovers with young men.

he's still a man, a father, a brother, a passed over member of a family that mourns him, and fans who mourn him also.

let him rest. may he find peace.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 4:25:38 PM

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i am 52 years old and i grew up listening to David Cassidy, The Jackson 5, and the Osmond Brothers. And i continued to listen to Michael Jackson when he went solo. i enjoy listening to music which ranges all the way from the Big Band era to the present.

Michael Jackson was highly talented.

When it became public knowledge that Michael Jackson [as an adult] had little boys sleeping in his bedroom [who were not his relatives], my enjoyment of his music largely failed to be as much as it had.

Michael indicated he had not really had a childhood. Well, i bet there have been many show business performers who entered the business as young children who did not [as adults] sleep in a bedroom with children that did not belong to them?

i am probably one of millions of people who have read about Michael Jackson contributing to charities. He did some things very right.

The world has lost a fantastic entertainer -- it's to bad he made some very negative choices.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 5:15:58 PM

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How is his death different then a foot ball player doped up to perform so someone has a meal ticket?

Not much.

He is consumed by worldly ways..    ...his entire family is "worldly".    We collectively are becoming a MJ freak.    ...and enough is enough.

His death is a distraction. He is merely a clown and part of the circus.

Some of his music is good. The alchemists fried that mofo and both MJ and his 'friend", his family, they allowed, enabled this destruction.

No one with a broken vertebrate goes out dancing on stage- for 50 cities.    He was a product of the rotten culture we allow to happen and we are all BECOMING him, the madness. !!

People who wear clown outfits in public- are... not someone to trust-- or someone to have as a role model.

He was so pumped with drugs the past 20 years- on a Ferris wheel and never off- all the while his family friends and others were vultures to his money and fame.

We have to save our sorry azzes from ourselves.   A demented twisted cruel joke onto humanity. The sad part is- there is this force of darkness with in and around- the demons are everywhere.

the MJ, vulture crowd, - good riddece....

May he rest in peace...

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 7:08:47 PM

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lol, a tribute thread.
nawwww
I really just want to know what people's focus is when it comes to Michael.
If you have loved and listened to him all your life/over 40 years it is hard to focus on only the last 15 years.

Yeah, I think the controversy is mostly due to a generational divide... Those who grew up listening to his music versus those who only knew him in his creepy phase.

... And really, if we turned away from every musician who was a little weird or ever had trouble with the law, we wouldn't have many left.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 7:19:54 PM

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It's undeniably true that people of all races and colors are feeling the hurt of this moment. Still, it's interesting--more than that--to me that most if not all of the negative (sometimes extremely negative) posts that I have read on various threads about Michael were written by, shall I say, non-blacks. If anyone doubts the accuracy of that statement, look at this thread and that "other" thread, where the negativity was truly running rampant.

And so it fuckin starts again..What wondering how long it was gonna take for someone bring up the bloody skin color.

He is just baiting people...you should know by now how he gets his kicks.... He likes to say " look at me" instead of look inside.

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RE: Michael Jackson Mania/the good the bad and the dist... - 6/27/2009 8:41:32 PM

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When a topic of Elvis comes up, people either say Young Elvis or Fat Elvis. Now, when people talk about Jackson, it with be Black Jackson or White Jackson.

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