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Ritual scarification - 6/30/2009 2:26:55 PM   
atypicalsub


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My Mistress and I have been discussing ritual scarification for her to permanently apply her sigil to my body. She is reasonably knowledgable about this but I do not understand the process very well. Hoping some people here who have experienced it can tell me more about what is involved. How painful is it? What do you do to guaranteed a well defined scar that keeps the desired lines? How do you prevent it from healing over? How do you clean it during the process to avoid infection but assure the scar stays visible?

An important point for me: I am definately not a pain slut. The work I do results in frequent cuts, bruises and assorted injuries so I can endure a good deal of pain but it is never a pleasurable experience for me. I scene with my Mistress. She has used floggers, paddles, and various other toys on me. I also gave her a knife to cut me with. The pain does not bring me any pleasure or sexual stimulation; I tollerate it strictly because it entertains her. I do believe that the pain of the scarification process will be a bit different for me because I see it as pain that serves a specific purpose. In my mind that will make it easier to take.


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RE: Ritual scarification - 6/30/2009 6:42:49 PM   
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The pain depends on several things. The sharper the blade the easier it cuts through the skin, ergo the less it tears, and the less painful. Sharper blades however leave cuts that heal better. The depth of the cut also matters. The deeper it is the more nerves it will pass through. Impurities on the blade will most likely cause more pain as well as the skin will react to them. Don't move during the cut, you'll just make it worse. If possible exhale, cut, stop, inhale.

Make sure the blade is clean, very clean.

The best way I have found to ensure clean permanent scars is to strip the scab off once it forms and recut the healing tissue. This way there is virtually no risk of infection and you ensure a scar. You can keep it perfectly clean every time you recut. But you'll have to cut it repeatedly. Unfortunately the other ways to ensure a scar have the distinct possibility of infection. You can put various things in the wound to cause scarring. The oldest I've heard of is dirt. High chance of infection. Ashes work well, but also have a high infection rate. But then when you were a pacific islander in the dark ages you were going to get infected all the time anyway. They did create beautiful patterns though. Burning an open wound will cause more scarring, but decreases the precision of the scar. You can get blobby results with heat. Alcohol creates a little more scarring, and keeps the wounds clean, but it burns like a motherf*cker. If you're unwilling to recut however, it can be an option. Clean cloth or a q-tip type of thing can be dug into the wound to make it as bad as possible. And it may heal properly making the whole thing a waste.

That's what I can think of.

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RE: Ritual scarification - 7/1/2009 11:49:34 AM   
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My experience concurs with caglistro's.

Much of the work of scarification is an individual process of how one heals from certain injuries. There are a number of options, and there is no guarantee how the final product will turn out.

1. You can have a good cut, with good scabbing, and make an average amount of scar tissue, and have a scar that shows up noticeably for a while, fades over time, and eventually disappears.

2. You can have a good cut, with good scabbing, make very -little- scar tissue, and have a scar that barely shows any hint of fibrination in just a couple of weeks after scarification, and practically disappears in just a few weeks.

3. You can have a good cut, with good scabbing, and make an excessive amount of scar tissue, have the scar spread significantly, and have an unrecognizable blob when all is said and done that never really goes away.

4. You can have any combination of 'normal' healing above, together or separate.

5. You can have complications, from infection to poor scab/scar formation, to keloidosis... some of which will increase and some of which will decrease the long-term visibility of the scar.

Re-cutting is the most sanitary, effective way of ensuring that the scar you desire will be the scar you end up with. However, some people continue to develop scar tissue in a wound for -months- after the initial wound, so you may not have any idea how the final scar will look for, perhaps, 3 months or so.

One thing that I recommend for people new to scarification is a 'test' scar. First, I ask them if they've ever had surgery or a -clean- wound, and I take a good look at how that has healed. I find out if they have a propensity for keloid formation, or a type of scarring that would impact the design. If they're prone to keloids, I will let them know that I don't recommend scarification or branding for them -- keloids can be a real -bear- to deal with, and the surgery to repair a serious keloid can effect a lot of physical and emotional trauma. For those who just have unusual scarring patterns, I base the size, the method/style, and, in some ways, the shape of the final design on that history. I also find out if they've had any 'persistent irritation' wounds, like piercings, and see how -those- heal as well. Sometimes, a single-instance wound will heal just fine, but an individual will start developing healing problems with 're-irritation' wounds like piercings or re-cuttings. Something about going back over the wound and messing with it causes them to start building up excessive scar tissue or keloids. For people who clearly have wound-healing issues, I won't recommend things like cutting or branding, which may not turn out like they wanted by the time they're healed.

If they've never had a "clean-cut" wound that I can look at, I typically chose an area that is -not- readily visible, but which has similar skin texture and subcutaneous structure as the area where we're planning on putting the scarification, and I do a simple, clean, and very -small- cut... 1/2 to 1 inch long, tops. Basic aftercare is followed, and I watch it to see how things heal. Sometimes, if I have concerns about keloid formation, which is more prevalent in certain skin textures and types, we'll do a single re-cut of the test wound to make sure that the additional trauma to the area doesn't generate an excess of scar tissue.

I typically recommend re-cutting for the best chance of a nice, clean, well-developed scar-line. I've had some folks who preferred to use other methods, and I've used (autoclave sterilized) clay, herbs, and tattoo ink, and (heat-sterilized) logan-bush, oak, and pinon ash on scars to 'set' them, but found that the results were less controllable when foreign substances were used (however, the tattoo ink did result in some very interesting and complex scars, as the color didn't 'scar out' evenly, leaving a woven-branch pattern in the scar that was -really- beautiful!).

Many of the people that I pierce, brand, and scar, and many of the people my daughter tattoos and pierces are -not- into pain. They're getting their body modification done for a specific purpose, and are willing to suffer through the pain to get to that point. I am pierced and tattooed, and I am not a fan of pain, either -- but the intensity of the experience is what makes the difference for me. Also, it's important to remember that the pain of a body modification doesn't end with the piercing, cutting, branding or whatever -- aftercare will have a bit of pain as well, and you'll have to do the care on yourself a couple of times a day. I find that a lot of people forget that part, and then squick over having to do the necessary after-care.

If you want to make sure that your piece comes out looking -exactly- like you want it, you and your Mistress may want to talk about having a tattoo done rather than a cutting. The results are a lot more consistent with tattoo...and you can even get 'invisible' tattoos now, that are only visible under black light--I'm seriously considering getting some facial work done with the 'invisible' ink, whereas, because of my need to be of neutral appearance while I'm in the professional opportunity that I'm currently in, I would never get facial work done right now with regular inks, no matter -how- much I want it.

Dame Calla

< Message edited by CallaFirestormBW -- 7/1/2009 11:51:59 AM >


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RE: Ritual scarification - 7/1/2009 1:28:46 PM   
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I think I'm going to faint...

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RE: Ritual scarification - 7/1/2009 10:56:50 PM   
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Thank you for sharing the wonderful information.  It answer a few of the questions I have been tossing around for some time.

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RE: Ritual scarification - 7/1/2009 11:40:40 PM   
atypicalsub


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Thank you cagliostro & CallaFirestormBW for your information and advice.

I'm not terribly worried about an infection. I routine get cut with all manner of blades with who knows what on them and it seldom results in so much as a mild itch. My job is home repairs so I use all manner of tools and cut myself frequently in the course of my work. Considering my fair skin and the number of times I've cut myself over the last 30 years I have very few scars. All that considered my biggest concern is that I will go through the pain and end up with no visible result a few months later.

My Mistress wants to put her sigil on the back of my shoulder. We had originaly planned on a tatoo but both find special appeal in the scarring. She has cut my back to bleed me (which I would never let anyone else do). There are a few faint lines left from a spot where she cut me last fall. I have no worries about the aftercare or follow up attention needed, my Mistress always takes care of any cuts whether accidental or she has inflicted.


Oh, and Scotty, I would likely faint if I were to watch it being done on someone else. I can only consider it myself because I trust my Mistress's hand.


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