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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 1:31:44 PM   
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So, how can you, or anyone say, "they don't get this art is a business stuff."


How can I say this? Well as far as I'm aware nobody I know has ever purchased a blank canvas as a work of art.

Art to me CAN be a business if you look at it a certain way, but first and foremost art is a creative process. You can be the world's greatest living artist, you can have one of your best ideas, you can have a brilliant reputation and and have sold lots of works, but until that idea becomes a finished piece of work you have nothing to offer.

That is unless you're using a formula but then it can be argued that you are producing and not creating,

Having something to sell or offer is business. Of course you can try to sell your idea, as quite a lot of people try to do, but it's the finished work which counts.


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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 3:13:15 PM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/8/2009 5:11:42 PM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 10:26:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are absolutely correct; I agree wholeheartedly. My term of Art was in the general usage....creating a piece of artwork is the first primary thing, if you want to sell okay, if not, okay. I created some oils, simply for myself...I was offered a price, and I chose not to sell, I liked it myself, so there. It can be a simple personal endeavour, or a business.

I'm in the art business, creating works for clients.

Now, most people, believe the old masters created their art for arts sake; Michangelo, Rembrant, Titian, Vermeer, Degas, Rodan....no, they created art to sell, they were businessmen,.... commisioned to create artwork for their clients, simple historical fact.

They just didn't paint a picture, hang it on a wall, and ...whalla...famous.

Your interpetation of Art is not in the same context.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 10:42:22 AM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 10:43:42 AM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 3:52:39 PM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 4:07:48 PM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 4:32:34 PM   
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Fractured German (or French), perhaps?
i would say butchered, actually


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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/9/2009 11:57:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still getting confused by the posts that begins with one all encompassing premise and then gets contradicted by itself a paragraph later or sometimes nearly in the same section or sentence.

ienigma, NOBODY who reads a blog written by a FAN of Neil Gaiman for pay by readers of the blog EVER think that the blogger in question is in any way equal to any writer such as Neil.

Until you are published in HARDCOPY, FOR SALE, by a publisher NOT self-publishing, you have NOT done the hard yards and therefore cannot preach from any comic-penciller's pulpit, especially not RE what life-drawing means to anyone who wants to do more than vanit press with a few people that purchase commissions off a vanity press site.

sorry.

and before you reply again, let me tell you, this is NOT 7 card poker here, or even 5 card, this is BLACKJACK.  This has NO BLUFFING you can hide behind, because if you want to claim that having no life-drawing acumen and experience allows you to be the same level of fine-artist (versus JimLee luvvin' FANBOY) as someone whom HAS done the hard yards, you can be challenged to a DRAW.

A DUEL.

what you can do ON CAMERA, NO EDITING, with just ONE PENCIL, ONE PEN, ONE SHEET OF PAPER, no wankerass geekboy digital bullshit to hide behind, in 5 minutes (standard life-drawing pose timneframe), wit the camera angled to prove you have NO HELP FROM ANY DEVICE, kiddo.

results in low bandwidth MP4, posted on youtube.

UNtil you can back yourself up by accepting such a challenge with NO LIGHTBOX, no wacom, NOTHING but graphite, CHEAP paper and a felt tip, and prove with no life-drawing you can do "as well", you are

totally

full

of

shit.

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 12:00:03 AM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 12:09:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes, and sadly the best wacoms are the cheapo blue-ones (but the pens weren't that good).

I'm not against wacoms or digi, I'm just saying for THIS debate and subject that the people that NEED life drawing don't give a shit about wanktard "can't draw feet so they cut them out of the panel"  fanboy wannabes that read too much "X" based "mutie" titles and too much crappola Image shite.

And as I have worked for both publishers (UNLIKE ienigma) I can comment on both (and he/she/it CANNOT).

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 12:26:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		WACOM......what is that? You miss it, it died, ran away, or what, Dog, cat, some frog. WACOM??????????

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 12:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		You call this 'Diatribe' a comment, Dude, is there a comic dictionary avaiable for your incoherent ramblings. Decipher what you are say, for normal people. DIGIS.......what is that, blue ones...something like one eyed purple people eaters??????? What are you talking about.

Me, not published LOL, LOL, LOL.....and you know what that means. Look up those links, or better, don't, just keep ranting your jibberish.

Wow, talk about a thread degenerating in garbagebabble.

Ya all understand that??????

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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 12:36:48 AM   
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RE: Nude on Lunchtime TV - 7/10/2009 1:03:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aneirin: sorry for my delay in responding to you. The thing is, art, using the word in a vocational term...is a business, as you are now aware. Historically, it has always been a business, throughout time, the statues in Egypt, were commissioned by the rulers of the time, and the artists were paid a fee. In the time of Rembrant, Art was a thriving business, he was a successful artist and procured a wealthy clientel and contracts from the city/state. THe point is, the stuff we see in the history books are all commercial artworks, someone commissioned the art.

Now, art, in a single created sense is a personal endeavour, which could be just for one's own pleasure, or can be sold, or gifted. It still, on the support, has it's own validity as a work of art.

If the artist is persuaded to sell his artpiece, his creation, it is a great validation of the artist's skill of his/her craft. But, not being sold, does not in any way invalidate the created work, nor the artist.

I did everything by hand, my personal stuff is still by hand, I love the oil, and love the power of creation. Now, commercially, I did everything by hand, showed the client blueline sketches first, then executed, by hand, the finished work, mediums in airbrush, full color, black & white, pen & ink, quach, oils...the only medium that stimies me is serious watercolor; but in cartoon work, no problem.

Then arose like a demon, the computer; and the clients wanted to see what the stuff looked like.....finished. No more blue line layout pencil sketches. But I gave up, slowly, and fought it, the computer.

So, to stay alive I had to learn CGI, and I did, and excell at it, in an elimentary program. CADCAM, and the specialized programs, ICE, and whatever, I can't afford.

I use photography, and am a fairly decent photographer, always using mid format film.......Last week, I take my 120 cartridges to the pro processor....they dumped their film processing service, gone, no more...just digital now.

So, since photography is also part of art...I now have bought a Mamiya 645, and a valeo leaf digital back, and a macintosh and the stuff that goes along with it.

The times they are a changing. I'm too old for the changes.

In some things, the old fashion way is best. I adore the creative process, hand done, ancient tried and tested tools.

Good luck to you my friend.

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