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Prinsexx -> Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 2:56:41 PM)
Synchronicity is a strange thing...I just got this embedded in part of a mail: ~I am at a point of trying different areas; however my main passion is that of a woman older than myself. This is a feeling I have had for many years and have found myself wanting to combine bdsm within this kind of relationship.~ My questions include: What is it, in itself, that a Master/Dom believes they are going to get in a relationship with an older s type? Would it be just for the experience and then would they want to move on? Is it for the prior experience of the slave? And I would just like to add that, having recently released myself from a Master much younger than myself, the relationship both was to do with age and was not to do with age. But I am very curious to why specifically it would be my age that was the 'pull'... Thanks in advance. Prin

NorthernGent -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 4:29:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx But I am very curious to why specifically it would be my age that was the 'pull'... I'd assume that people want to learn and you're age....well not so much your age.....but your manner and expression of ideas.....which I'd imagine have something to do with your age........are attractive. It is something from which a person can learn. Were you devoid of ideas I'd estimate that your age would be of no value - experience is only useful where it is valuable. Whether or not someone chooses to stay with you after extracting your wisdom is a matter of personality and whatever else you have to offer. On balance - I don't see why your age would be a limiting factor. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Thanks in advance. Prin 'Pleasure.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 5:51:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Whether or not someone chooses to stay with you after extracting your wisdom is a matter of personality and whatever else you have to offer. On balance - I don't see why your age would be a limiting factor. In all honesty this never occurred to me. And what I think is more to the point is it's more like someone trying a new flavour or food for the first time... to see if they like it and then either eating it or spitting it out. Call me skeptic.... I don't think my wisdom has much to do with me being dominated. It;s seen as a challenge.

NorthernGent -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 6:06:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx And what I think is more to the point is it's more like someone trying a new flavour or food for the first time... to see if they like it and then either eating it or spitting it out. That's a pretty emotionless view of things...everything being matter of fact etc. People are more complex than that and can be drawn in by emotions that aren't really understood. Small things - the way somone moves - a shy manner etc etc....can influence your attraction to someone without you even knowing it. Some underlying current that simply leads you toward someone - could be a hundred reasons or a few important ones. Call me skeptic.... I don't think my wisdom has much to do with me being dominated. It;s seen as a challenge. Is it about the winning or is it about enjoying the journey?

DemonKia -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 8:23:49 PM)
FR, after read thru Prinny, another reason that a younger dominant might want an older submissive is because the reversal of a younger person in authority over their elder might be part of the appeal. It inverts the more stereotypical authority structure, such as the parent-child one that most of us have experience with . . ... If that makes sense . . . . . [;)]

CaringandReal -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/11/2009 9:02:41 PM)
I don't understand it either, but I do know there are a lot of such doms out there. I hope some more speak up to explain this. ... I also kind of wonder what Saint Peter will have to say to them. ;)

WestBaySlave -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 12:38:47 AM)
I won't - because I can't - answer this from a dom perspective, but as someone who always involved himself with men older than himself, the appeal of older people is apparent to me on quite a number of levels that can have to do with things unrelated to BDSM and physical attraction. Everyone is individual, but I find older men in general to be more calm, stable, level-headed, experienced and understanding than their younger counterparts, and these qualities can be appealing in doms and subs of any gender. Of course, I don't know this guy, so I could be way off base. It may just be a parental role-reversal fantasy, for all I know...

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 1:43:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia FR, after read thru Prinny, another reason that a younger dominant might want an older submissive is because the reversal of a younger person in authority over their elder might be part of the appeal. It inverts the more stereotypical authority structure, such as the parent-child one that most of us have experience with . . ... If that makes sense . . . . . [;)] That's definitely within my experience... a very cool, wow factor, reversal.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 1:52:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave I won't - because I can't - answer this from a dom perspective, but as someone who always involved himself with men older than himself, the appeal of older people is apparent to me on quite a number of levels that can have to do with things unrelated to BDSM and physical attraction. Everyone is individual, but I find older men in general to be more calm, stable, level-headed, experienced and understanding than their younger counterparts, and these qualities can be appealing in doms and subs of any gender. Of course, I don't know this guy, so I could be way off base. It may just be a parental role-reversal fantasy, for all I know... I don't know this guy either because I have only mail from him. BUT I have had a relationship where, when I look back I call it his 'revenge on the mother' trip. Whereas he was getting a change of mindset I think I just well.. do need a change from being a mother. This MILF thing gets tiresome.

Snakepunch -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 3:03:34 AM)
Id think this would be a case of trying something new and kinda kinky.. In general its all about the younger women, for me atleast, but tormenting some older woman is a fun tought, something to try, but not really a lasting thing. Im probably not alone in thinking so.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 3:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Snakepunch Id think this would be a case of trying something new and kinda kinky.. In general its all about the younger women, for me atleast, but tormenting some older woman is a fun tought, something to try, but not really a lasting thing. Im probably not alone in thinking so. That just about says it all really.

SnareMage85 -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 5:35:28 AM)
Well ignoring My situation (younger Dom/older sub) because ours has had nothing to do with an age attraction. Why youngers would be attracted is that first thought about age is that you would be far more experienced at the role than others, and thus more knowledgeable of what you want, who you are, and more explicitly what would be off limits. Younger subs are far less experienced in the role, and maybe just looking for a quick kink kick. Also them being less experienced, it's a risky endeaver to push because if you want the relationship to be a lasting one, if as a Dom you do something that the sub can't handle, doesn't want, or whatever have you, you risk scaring the sub away permanently not only from yourself, but from the lifestyle. As to why it would shy someone away, as you get older your tolerance and capabilities to perform become less. You won't be able to take the same level of funishment that you were able to at a younger age, nor go as long. And there's also the fear of loss should something serious happen to you.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 10:08:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SnareMage85 As to why it would shy someone away, as you get older your tolerance and capabilities to perform become less. You won't be able to take the same level of funishment that you were able to at a younger age, nor go as long. And there's also the fear of loss should something serious happen to you. This is absolutely not the case for me. Both my stamina and pain thresholds have improved with age. And as for very serious things? I really don't understand exactly what you refer to. But interesting other comments thank you.

SnareMage85 -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 11:26:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx This is absolutely not the case for me. Both my stamina and pain thresholds have improved with age. And as for very serious things? I really don't understand exactly what you refer to. But interesting other comments thank you. Well I'm not going to guess how old you are, and I'll check it later (yes I'm lazy right now :p). But I've had a sub that was in her fifties, and due to her age, she had back problems, and wasn't able to maintain any postion for much more than an hour/half an hour except for lying on her back, she also wasn't able to stand for long periods. I've also met other subs that are in there 40s and have frail bones, I know multiple people that have arthritis. All of was what developed over the length of their life, not something they were necessarily born with. As to "serious things" such as heart attacks and the dozens of other medical dangers that you become more and more risk for with age. While granted, yes at any moment anyone could be hit by a car, shot by a lunatic, those can be chance occurances depending on where you live and the kind of person you are, there's the subconcious fear-founded or unfounded-that someone older than you is more at risk of death because of their body getting weaker with age. Another reason some may shy away is the social taboo that is unacceptable to be with those significantly older than you.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 11:49:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SnareMage85 quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx This is absolutely not the case for me. Both my stamina and pain thresholds have improved with age. And as for very serious things? I really don't understand exactly what you refer to. But interesting other comments thank you. Another reason some may shy away is the social taboo that is unacceptable to be with those significantly older than you. Is there a social taboo on age? isn't it just ageism? So whipping. caning, retraint, asphyxiation, cutting, electro play is ok but ageism is a taboo?

SnareMage85 -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 12:10:49 PM)
Actually, for quite a long time, it was socially acceptable for husbands to beat their wives, but it wasn't socially acceptable for men to be involved with women as old, or older, than their parents, or of any significant age difference. Generally, unless you're a member of the lifestyle, people don't tend to actively think on D/s and M/s relationships. Society doesn't actively go after something unless it's something that's brought into the light-especially in the media-and BDSM relationships aren't actively brought into the light for the very facts that it is considered taboo, but a taboo that people don't actively think about, because the vast majority of relationships are vanilla, and people base their opinions on what they are most commonly exposed to.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 4:56:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SnareMage85 But I've had a sub that was in her fifties, and due to her age, she had back problems, and wasn't able to maintain any postion for much more than an hour/half an hour except for lying on her back, she also wasn't able to stand for long periods. I've also met other subs that are in there 40s and have frail bones, I know multiple people that have arthritis. All of was what developed over the length of their life, not something they were necessarily born with. As for those issues you mention to do with physical health... I have worked most of my life towards the concept of longevity. I have had arthritis wrongly diagnosed. This I know because of recent oral allergy syndrome. The root of the allergy needs to be assessed but as I now eat only brown rice, oats, spinach, organic chicken (once or twice a week only) and drink water all of the allergic reaction has gone and there is no pain whatsoever and no sign of the wrongly diagnosed arthritis. I don't wear glasses because I do eye exercises every day. Chinese breathing, t'ai chi, and the gym keep me fitter and stronger than women half my age. In fact I was far more unhealthy when I was half my age. It's intention. I have seen too many people of my age and younger die. I have too many freinds with serious illness. But I will say that it is society's attitude to women of my age that I cannot irradicate as easily as I can toxins from my diet. My libido and my appreciation of my frenzy, drop, passion and worship of male dominants is an altogether longer story....

dreamerdreaming -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 5:25:32 PM)
Prinsexx, I just have always been attracted to older guys. There's a psychology behind it that I can explain to you in one or two sentences if you PM me, but bottom line :-) : Older guys are yummy. Everyone has their prefences. Whether vanilla or D/s, I've never been interested in a guy who wasn't significantly older than me. That's just how I roll.

Prinsexx -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 5:31:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming Prinsexx, I just have always been attracted to older guys. There's a psychology behind it that I can explain to you in one or two sentences if you PM me, but bottom line :-) : Older guys are yummy. Everyone has their prefences. Whether vanilla or D/s, I've never been interested in a guy who wasn't significantly older than me. That's just how I roll. And I have always been attracted to men who are younger than meboth in vanilla and otherwise. But (and have discussed this on a different thread) it has been suggested to me that my experience scares or can scare a dominant. Edited to add: have mailed you.

dreamerdreaming -> RE: Young Master/older slave (7/12/2009 5:48:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx quote: ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming Prinsexx, I just have always been attracted to older guys. There's a psychology behind it that I can explain to you in one or two sentences if you PM me, but bottom line :-) : Older guys are yummy. Everyone has their prefences. Whether vanilla or D/s, I've never been interested in a guy who wasn't significantly older than me. That's just how I roll. And I have always been attracted to men who are younger than meboth in vanilla and otherwise. But (and have discussed this on a different thread) it has been suggested to me that my experience scares or can scare a dominant. Mmkay, well... I suppose it could. But if that's the case: a confident and self- aware dom (the kind I'd imagine you'd be attracted to) should be able to discuss the matter candidly with you, just as the two of you should feel comfortable discussing your own fears or concerns. In my own case: I find that my slaveboy and I both need a lot of reassurances. So we dispense them to one another liberally. Works for us.

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