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Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 6:03:54 PM

chocolatte2004

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What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...? Is there a difference at all?

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 6:51:04 PM

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What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...? Is there a difference at all?

Within the framework of this site, I equate 'Master' as the authoritarian in a given dynamic. I don't ascribe any gender to it and know both males and females who embrace the term. "Dom" is a diminutive of dominant, an adjective placed before a noun as a descriptor of a personality trait. I.E., a dominant man or a dominant woman. I do see a difference as one can be a dominant male or female and not be a master, however, one cannot be a master without being a dominant male or female.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 7:36:42 PM

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I see dominant as a personality trait or role perference. You can be this all on your own.

I see master as a relationship or earned title. You need at least one other person to recognize this about you so that it has some authority to it.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 7:42:52 PM

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you might want to go to "ask a master" group... there is a thread on this very question.... do alittle search and you likely find alot more threads on this very question. Here is a quote of mine from the other thread.

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it's important to consider the context of the words. Dominant for some reflects a personality trait, for others it could be the specific individual with negotiated authority in a given relationship. sometimes it's a combination of the two. alot of people specific definition of a Dominant will vary depending on the context that they are using the term. So, therefore alot of people actually have multiple definitions to this one word "Dominant"

IE... a person saying..."He is my Dominant" or saying "He is Dominant"

These are two very different definitions because of the context they are being stated. One is reflecting the role or authority they have in there relationship. while the other reflects behaviors that the person identifies as being "Dominant". It's important to consider that what you consider as Dominant behaviors can and will be very different than what another person may consider. This is a personal preference thing. You make your own choice on who you consider as a dominant person and who you don't.

Master is a bit different. For more times than not it is a reflection of the Relationship style the person is in or wants to be in. Master generally reflects a person that has a complete authority in there primary relationships. Generally speaking, all Masters are Dominants... but not all Dominants are Masters.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 7:48:43 PM

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IMHO the diffrence is only in the eyes of the person claiming the title.

Sometimes the diffrence is vast, other times non existant.

The only thing constant is just about each and every person has a diffrent internal deffinition of these (and most bdsm) labels.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 7:53:28 PM

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A Dom (or dominate) is what he is as a man to the world at large, Master is more personal -- what he'd be to me once we had reached a certain level of connection...of course,

ymmv...

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 10:01:01 PM

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What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...?

Three letters.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 10:21:58 PM

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My personal interpretation is

Dom is to sub.
As Master is to Slave.

To me Dom/sub relationships are not as strict in the relationship roles as a Master/slave. As a sub has more leeway and say in the relationship than a slave would.

That's how I view it anyway, others probably see it differently.

Thanks

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 11:17:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: chocolatte2004

What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...? Is there a difference at all?

For me.. Dom.. is short for Dominant (usually male dominant) which is a generalized term for Masters, Sir, Daddy, etc. All Masters in this lifestyle are considered Dominant, but not all Dominants are considered Masters. (same works for Sirs and Daddies)

Its like a generalized term for a group of people. Take for example.. Female.. encompasses the entire female sex, including women, girls, young women, broads, etc.

I also consider D/s the generalized term for a relationship build on a power-structure, which would include any M/s or Daddy/son, or Daddy/girl or any other variation.

As far as what "Master" means.. well.. thats not easily defined as it tends to be subjective and based on others opinions and perceptions.

Hope that was as clear as mud to you.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 11:38:03 PM

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I agree with needtouseyou. Dom/sub Master/Slave that's how I use the labels.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/18/2006 11:58:27 PM

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My personal definition of a Master is someone who is involved or actively seeking to be involved in a Master/slave dynamic.

A Dominant is someone who is involved or actively seeking to be involved in a Dominant/submissive dynamic.

Some people call their Dominant Master. What works for their relationship, works for their relationship. My personal definition is not the uber-right end-all definition for everyone.

Of course those definitions open up a can of worms named 'What's the difference between a submissive and a slave?'

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 1:34:40 AM

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I posted this in angelic's recent "Master vs. Dom" thread over in Ask a Master. Topic is currently on page 2....

"All Masters are Doms but not all Doms are Masters. Or to use a vanilla comparison; all husbands are men but not all men are husbands. I define the difference as being committment.... I only proclaim myself a Master when I'm actually in a relationship with a sub/slave. When it's just me, like now, I only self describe as a Dom.

In essence, it's my slave who validates me as Master (as it is a wife who validates her husband) and it's my ownership of her that validates her as a slave rather than a submissive."

~~~~~

Another way to look at it is that 'Dom' is part of my sexuality and is what I am 24/7 - just like being straight and male etc and having a partner is irrelevant. Master is what I am within my *relationships* and requires a sub/slave in order to create such a dynamic.

Focus.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 10:32:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: chocolatte2004

What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...?

Three letters.

~stef

only 3 letters?

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 10:36:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyV

quote:

ORIGINAL: chocolatte2004

What is the difference in your opinion between a Dom and a Master...? Is there a difference at all?

For me.. Dom.. is short for Dominant (usually male dominant) which is a generalized term for Masters, Sir, Daddy, etc. All Masters in this lifestyle are considered Dominant, but not all Dominants are considered Masters. (same works for Sirs and Daddies)

Its like a generalized term for a group of people. Take for example.. Female.. encompasses the entire female sex, including women, girls, young women, broads, etc.

I also consider D/s the generalized term for a relationship build on a power-structure, which would include any M/s or Daddy/son, or Daddy/girl or any other variation.

As far as what "Master" means.. well.. thats not easily defined as it tends to be subjective and based on others opinions and perceptions.

Hope that was as clear as mud to you.

Nicely put... V, the only thing that I would add is

Master refers to the Male Dominant in a Master/slave relationship. They are usually more strict than a Dom and are usually involved with a slave.

Just my 2 cents...

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 10:59:43 AM

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This is what I posted in th same question in Ask A Master Forum...

Master:

1: One who has Mastered something such as a craft ot trade (Master Builder, Master Baker or perhaps Master Calligrapher). This is ususlly awarded by a Trade/professional Organization or Guild.

2: The Captain of a ship.

3: Male School Teacher (Head Master). Usually because in theory he has control over students whilst they are at the school.

4: Owner of a Home or Establishment. (I am Master of House Iron Bear)

5: Owner of a slave/s

6: The correct form of address by Gorean slaves to a Gorean Free Man.

7: An Academic Degree between a Batchelor and Doctorate. (I have a Master of Science Degree in Applied Psycholog for example)

Dominant = Character trait.

See also Master vs Dom

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 11:07:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

This is what I posted in th same question in Ask A Master Forum...

Master:

1: One who has Mastered something such as a craft ot trade (Master Builder, Master Baker or perhaps Master Calligrapher). This is ususlly awarded by a Trade/professional Organization or Guild.

2: The Captain of a ship.

3: Male School Teacher (Head Master). Usually because in theory he has control over students whilst they are at the school.

4: Owner of a Home or Establishment. (I am Master of House Iron Bear)

5: Owner of a slave/s

6: The correct form of address by Gorean slaves to a Gorean Free Man.

7: An Academic Degree between a Batchelor and Doctorate. (I have a Master of Science Degree in Applied Psycholog for example)

Dominant = Character trait.

See also Master vs Dom

Quick question IronBear... If I may... if one has been given a Master in a trade.. but is also a slave... how does that work??

Thank you

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 11:15:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

Quick question IronBear... If I may... if one has been given a Master in a trade.. but is also a slave... how does that work??

Thank you

1st Girl Phoenix

Hi FG,

I immagine it would be the same as if you were, for example, a Medical Practitioner. At the place of occupation and during the working hours the slave is veiled and the professional or tradesman is unveiled. Outside that, it would be up top the Master/Pwner to decide how to handle it... Just my view anyway and how I would handle it.

Regards to your Master lass.

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 1:02:21 PM

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In my opinion, one cannot be a Master without a slave as much as one cannot be a slave without a Master. Sort of like being a husband with no wife. You can certainly call yourself whatever you desire as we all have that freedom but one compliments the other and without the two together, I really can't see how you can be one without the other.

As for "dom," that's a generic term for someone who has a dominant trait within the realm of this lifestyle. Again, you can call yourself anything you wish, but actions always speak louder than words, particularly when it comes to being a "dom."

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 1:36:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterOwnskitty

In my opinion, one cannot be a Master without a slave as much as one cannot be a slave without a Master. Sort of like being a husband with no wife. You can certainly call yourself whatever you desire as we all have that freedom but one compliments the other and without the two together, I really can't see how you can be one without the other.

As for "dom," that's a generic term for someone who has a dominant trait within the realm of this lifestyle. Again, you can call yourself anything you wish, but actions always speak louder than words, particularly when it comes to being a "dom."

That is of course the belief of some of the Gorean Community, however there is suitable references in the Gor series on which we base our lifestyle that a Gorean Free Man may be a Master when he is the Master of his own House of property. Leaving out the none lifestyle areas in which I for example can claim the use of the nomnicladure of Master, I can claim it here from a Gorean perspective as the Master of House Iron Bear. Those who wish to recognise it or refer to any Gorean Free man as master and who are not Gorean slaves, are free to do so and those who refuse to recognise this may use what ever term as they desire. But it should be understood that the Term master has many uses and applications and to state that Master only refers to one who owns a slave (who is just property as much as a home is), need to qualify their statement as being within the lifestyle so that their use of master is not being generalised.

So I'm digging into semantics but that too is my want.

It's all in the game and how you play it.............

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RE: Dom or Master - 2/19/2006 1:46:09 PM

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