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The Great Collarme Pissing Contest


Leonidas
  9% (13)
Michael
  7% (10)
Leonidas will back out.
  6% (9)
Michael will back out.
  7% (10)
I don't care who wins, I just want to see blood.
  11% (15)
I just plain don't care.
  13% (18)
They're both acting like children.
  19% (26)
I'd pay to see it.
  5% (8)
I'd pay for charity.
  8% (12)
You couldn't pay me to see it.
  9% (13)


Total Votes : 134
(last vote on : 7/26/2009 1:12:40 AM)
(Poll ended: 7/26/2009 3:00:00 AM)


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Elisabella -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 4:51:09 PM)

Unlike the rest of the posters on this thread, I'm actually more interested in it being characterized as a duel between two men instead of a thread contest based on which submissive can make the most sport-related sexual euphemisms.

Obviously "views on TPE" isn't a life or death matter, so no pistols at dawn, but there's no problem with fencing or boxing or any other mano a mano sport.  If they both agree it will settle this, why object?  Why all this talk of "be the bigger man" (based solely on your opinion of what actually makes a 'bigger man') as if you think that either of them considers YOUR respect more important than their own self respect?  Cuz let me let y'all in on a little secret - if these two do fight, I don't think the goal is to win the approval of CM posters.  The beauty of a duel for honor rather than profit is that it would mean just as much, if not more, with no spectators present.

That being said, I'd totally watch a cam stream [:D]



Elisabella -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 5:03:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

There have been more affronted in this odd little exchange than the 2 gents that are the current focus of this thread. 
As for it being a joke that they fight it out: seriously, if they're consenting grown men, why not?! 
Davan
(Who still wants to see the flight and seriously will fly to CA if it happens and who readily acknowledges that she's a primal creature and such displays of force, in certain context seem just fantastic!  :>  )


Word.



Apocalypso -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 5:04:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Unlike the rest of the posters on this thread, I'm actually more interested in it being characterized as a duel between two men instead of a thread contest based on which submissive can make the most sport-related sexual euphemisms.

Obviously "views on TPE" isn't a life or death matter, so no pistols at dawn, but there's no problem with fencing or boxing or any other mano a mano sport.  If they both agree it will settle this, why object?  Why all this talk of "be the bigger man" as if you think that either of them considers YOUR respect more important than their own self respect?  Cuz let me let y'all in on a little secret - if these two do fight, I don't think the goal is to win the approval of CM posters.  The beauty of a duel for honor rather than profit is that it would mean just as much, if not more, with no spectators present.

That being said, I'd totally watch a cam stream [:D]

That's not my position, to be fair.  (Yes, I've gone on a bit of a stupid link posting frenzy but that's because I find posting stupid links funny).

I don't necessarily disagree with them sorting it out in a duel of honour.  I merely question whether scuffling like a pair of grubby street urchins proves anything about superiority.

The only suggested match I think might have any chance of doing that is fencing, which is a noble sport and based on skill and intelligence, rather than oafish brute force.  (I'm a fencer, can you tell?)  But, as a test of skill, there's no need not to take full safety precautions- capped weapons, helmets etc.  If they must go down the actual physical danger route, for a matter this slight, it's a first blood duel, with no headshots..  Anything else would merely devalue the match by refusing to acknowledge the history of fencing.  (And use a foil or epee.  You don't duel using sabres unless you're on horseback.  If you're going to be that uncouth you might as well use a damn cutlass and go the whole hog).

But I was entirely serious about the chess suggestion (less so the breakdancing, admittedly).  Skill.  Tactics.  Intelligence.  The ability to stay collected under pressure.   That's a real test of character. 

Because, actually, I know how to streetbrawl.  It's pretty straightforward.  So this isn't that I don't understand how these things work.  It's that I understand more than most.  Enough to know how laughable the idea that they're a real test of inner strength and character is.  They're not.  Merely a test of ruthlesness and luck.



Aswad -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 8:40:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Its better to piss than be pissed on


Isn't that precisely the point?

Besides, how often does one get to see the parties actually "take it outside" on the 'net?

Health,
al-Aswad.



Aswad -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 8:45:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

Here ya go, sugar......it goes all the way down to millimeters!


A digital caliper accomodates both men and mice by discriminating to 100µm (0.004") accuracy from nil to wtf.

Health,
al-Aswad.



Aswad -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 9:21:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

I cannot believe this is serious.  I had voted for "wants to see blood."  But now I think that they just need to sit down with a beer and do some of that male bonding.


Blood is a form of male bonding.

And not one to be so lightly dismissed as many here have done, not to their credit.

I'm failing to see why or when we started to reject the validity of what is fundamentally male, instead embracing what is common and accepting what is female. It seems to me that this is an imbalance, the pendulum on its backswing. How's that for dangerous immaturity: behavior derived from values that are uncritically absorbed from a collective trend that is no more profound or considered than a mathematical formula with which we are acquainted after few years of school? A few millenia of patriarchy, and you'd think someone got the idea: interdependent and complementary, not valid and invalid.

Guess I'm still holding out too much hope for humanity.

Health,
al-Aswad.



daintydimples -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 9:24:27 PM)

Does this mean we don't get to see blood?

Just asking . . .



SylvereApLeanan -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 10:19:55 PM)

Does hoping Leonidas will be working in St. Louis in Sept. and they decide to duel there 'cuz I want to attend make me a bad person?
 
[sm=couch.gif][sm=donttaseme.gif][sm=wall.gif]



Ialdabaoth -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/26/2009 10:23:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso
Because, actually, I know how to streetbrawl.  It's pretty straightforward.  So this isn't that I don't understand how these things work.  It's that I understand more than most.  Enough to know how laughable the idea that they're a real test of inner strength and character is.  They're not.  Merely a test of ruthlesness and luck.


Really, though, aren't most of the things we actually value about people in this society really just the result of ruthlessness and luck?

I'm not talking about the things we claim to value; I'm talking about the things that actually get rewarded.



Level -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 3:04:20 AM)

quote:

al-Aswad wrote:

I'm failing to see why or when we started to reject the validity of what is fundamentally male, instead embracing what is common and accepting what is female. It seems to me that this is an imbalance, the pendulum on its backswing. How's that for dangerous immaturity: behavior derived from values that are uncritically absorbed from a collective trend that is no more profound or considered than a mathematical formula with which we are acquainted after few years of school? A few millenia of patriarchy, and you'd think someone got the idea: interdependent and complementary, not valid and invalid.


The "when", some would say, began with hippies, flower power, Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinam (sp?), etc, and I'd agree that some of that is not only to the detriment of men, but society. But looking at the topic of the OP, I suppose it all depends on how much value one places on the spilling of blood, and the breaking of bones, for problem resolution. Both have a place in the world still, but to solve a personality conflict on an online forum?

quote:

Guess I'm still holding out too much hope for humanity.


That is quite likely true. [:D]



ishyB -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 3:04:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

But I was entirely serious about the chess suggestion (less so the breakdancing, admittedly).  Skill.  Tactics.  Intelligence.  The ability to stay collected under pressure.   That's a real test of character. 



I actually like this suggestion a lot too, since part of the objective is to found out who is strongest on the message board, a duel of intelligence and strategy between both men would be very interesting to see.

I'd also like to see them both fight though, not so much because I belief that 'total' superiority will be derived from which of them can kick ass the best, but more because I belief that there is still something primal in humans that sometimes makes a fight the best way to solve things among men.
Men are very good at establishing pecking order by fighting -even if us females don't seem to understand the need of a pecking order at all- and it often makes that they are more able to deal with each other peacefully after that, because both know how they stand in relationship to the other guy.

I belief a fight like this has little to do with the actual fight, but more with the whole ritual surrounding it. They are testing each other, each in his own way. The fight is the catalysator of that test, not the main focus.

And like my darling Elisabella, please, do hook me up with a live stream; I still stand by my vote: I want to see blood.... and chess. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s1.gif[/image]



FlipFlip -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 4:12:42 AM)

quote:

But I was entirely serious about the chess suggestion (less so the breakdancing, admittedly). Skill. Tactics. Intelligence. The ability to stay collected under pressure. That's a real test of character.


Im sorry to say that Chess wont cut it any more if we want a game of intelligence it will have to be Go.
However in the interest of public entertainment i put forward the motion that between every 2nd or 3rd turn the contestants take a shot of vodka  (or whiskey) then step into a cage to fight it out for 2-3 minutes then back to the game.

This way its a contest of everything manly: Alcohol tolerance, Fighting skill, Creativity, Intellignce, Resistance to head trauma and if we throw a live bear in there and ask them to kindly bludgeon it to death with their "man clubs" ahem, then its also a test of durablity.

So anyone second this notion?



Apocalypso -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 4:47:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB
I'd also like to see them both fight though, not so much because I belief that 'total' superiority will be derived from which of them can kick ass the best, but more because I belief that there is still something primal in humans that sometimes makes a fight the best way to solve things among men.


You could well be right.  But I suspect some confirmation bias may be coming into play.  [:)]

quote:

Men are very good at establishing pecking order by fighting -even if us females don't seem to understand the need of a pecking order at all- and it often makes that they are more able to deal with each other peacefully after that, because both know how they stand in relationship to the other guy.

Ahem!  I have highlighted the part of your paragraph that makes me raise an eyebrow.  I have a sneaking suspicion you may have just called me a girl.  My fragile masculinity is crying.  On the inside, obviously.  [8D]

I do take your point however.  Even if my own reaction to this type of social structure is to look at it quizzically (hmm.  Ok, I'm really not helping the 'not really a woman' case now) and possibly poke it with sharp things to see what happens.  That's not particuarly tongue in cheek.  I do genuinely find myself feeling  like I'm looking at these kind of issues from the perspective of an outsider.  To be somewhat whimsical about it, perhaps every generation produces a handful of fools to map out the boundaries.

quote:

I belief a fight like this has little to do with the actual fight, but more with the whole ritual surrounding it. They are testing each other, each in his own way. The fight is the catalysator of that test, not the main focus.

That's one of the things I find confusing.  If one is to use violence as a tactic, it would appear to me self-evident that all this pomp and pagentry merely makes it less effective.  How very strange.

Lo, what fools these mortals be.  [sm=stickineye.gif]





KMsAngel -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 4:59:10 AM)

there are many times i think if men were encouraged to duke it out with fists and blood, there'd be a lot fewer wars in the world.

women tend not to like blood, because it's their sons getting hurt and maimed and killed. we always retain our mother bear instincts, regardless of our cubs' ages.



rz350 -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:04:13 AM)

^
and us soldiers dont like seeing our bowels prolapsed from our abdominal wall, but we're willing to take the risk for what we believe in, while the "mothers" sit at home and write letters.



KMsAngel -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:11:34 AM)

please see the email just sent, rz



ishyB -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:15:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FlipFlip

Im sorry to say that Chess wont cut it any more if we want a game of intelligence it will have to be Go.
However in the interest of public entertainment i put forward the motion that between every 2nd or 3rd turn the contestants take a shot of vodka  (or whiskey) then step into a cage to fight it out for 2-3 minutes then back to the game.

This way its a contest of everything manly: Alcohol tolerance, Fighting skill, Creativity, Intellignce, Resistance to head trauma and if we throw a live bear in there and ask them to kindly bludgeon it to death with their "man clubs" ahem, then its also a test of durablity.

So anyone second this notion?



I like the way you think... [:D]



ishyB -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:27:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB
I'd also like to see them both fight though, not so much because I belief that 'total' superiority will be derived from which of them can kick ass the best, but more because I belief that there is still something primal in humans that sometimes makes a fight the best way to solve things among men.


You could well be right.  But I suspect some confirmation bias may be coming into play.  [:)]




Quite possible so, which is the whole 'pecking order' thing I suspect.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

quote:

Men are very good at establishing pecking order by fighting -even if us females don't seem to understand the need of a pecking order at all- and it often makes that they are more able to deal with each other peacefully after that, because both know how they stand in relationship to the other guy.

Ahem!  I have highlighted the part of your paragraph that makes me raise an eyebrow.  I have a sneaking suspicion you may have just called me a girl.  My fragile masculinity is crying.  On the inside, obviously.  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s3.gif[/image]

I do take your point however.  Even if my own reaction to this type of social structure is to look at it quizzically (hmm.  Ok, I'm really not helping the 'not really a woman' case now) and possibly poke it with sharp things to see what happens.  That's not particuarly tongue in cheek.  I do genuinely find myself feeling  like I'm looking at these kind of issues from the perspective of an outsider.  To be somewhat whimsical about it, perhaps every generation produces a handful of fools to map out the boundaries.


Actually Master, I wasn't at all including you in the 'us females' remark. Most women I know have a hard time understanding why men even need a pecking order.
I've met men before that do not understand the need for the pecking order to be determined by a physical match, but I've NEVER met a man that didn't understood male pecking order or didn't participate in it, maybe you are the first exception I've come across.
Some men seem to prefer other weapons to fight it out, like wit, skill, intelligence, manipulation, arrogance, and a whole hoist of other things. But they still all seem to 'need' it to function with other males in a group.
Men test each other, they always have and they always will.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso
quote:

I belief a fight like this has little to do with the actual fight, but more with the whole ritual surrounding it. They are testing each other, each in his own way. The fight is the catalysator of that test, not the main focus.

That's one of the things I find confusing.  If one is to use violence as a tactic, it would appear to me self-evident that all this pomp and pagentry merely makes it less effective.  How very strange.

Lo, what fools these mortals be.  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/stickineye.gif[/image]



Ahem.. maybe you are not the exception after all, you just seem to prefer different weapons than they do. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s2.gif[/image]





BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:43:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rainfire

[sm=dunno.gif]   But Bounty, if holly and i open it up, it could be a pillow fight and tickle fest.... maybe i could even gag holly so we could have some peace and quiet for once.  [8|]
[/quote

Now rain you might just be on to some thing there smile..



BitaTruble -> RE: The Great Collarme Pissing Contest (7/27/2009 5:44:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad


I'm failing to see why or when we started to reject the validity of what is fundamentally male, instead embracing what is common and accepting what is female.


It's a viewpoint. A couple of hundred years ago, two men would have gotten up at the crack of dawn with their seconds, gone out to a field somewhere and when it was over, one would be carried (probably buried) and the other would walk. This, however, is a circus with ringside seats, popcorn and posts to Utube and collarme so the victor can gloat. That's fundamentally male? Not in my eyes which is why I started the thread.

Men act like men and they don't need witnesses to prove it. It's not what they are doing .. it's how they are doing it that makes the difference. Men don't say .. neener, neener, neener .. they just don't. Someone who does so is not a man and as such is no longer afforded the respect that I reserve for men. If you act like a child, you will be thought of as a child and treated as a child and that has zero to do with embracing what is common and accepting what is female.. it is embracing and accepting what is adult. If you're not first an adult, there is no way you can be a man.

MMV



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