tazzygirl
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Greetings Master Thank you for your response. i think the problem i am having with this is because of consent, perhaps the idea that its always with a lack of control, and that some may consider this abnormal, not that anyone would consider it normal. so, i went on a search, and this is what i discovered. The Mayo Report didnt go far enough, i feel, into describing the diagnostics or demographics. for example quote:
Demographics Although sadistic sexual fantasies often begin in the person's childhood, the onset of active sexual sadism typically occurs during early adult life. When actual sadistic behavior begins, it will often continue on a chronic course for people with this disorder, especially if they do not seek help. Sexual sadism with consenting partners is much more common than with nonconsensual partners. When consenting partners are involved, the sadist and the masochist may be either male or female. When non-consenting partners are involved, the sadist is almost always a male. Sadomasochism involving consenting partners is not considered rare or unusual in the United States. It often occurs outside of the realm of a mental disorder. Fewer people consider themselves sadistic than masochistic. and the diagnosis criteria quote:
DSM-IV-TR criteria for sexual sadism include recurrent intense sexual fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving real acts in which another person is suffering psychological or physical suffering, pain, and humiliation. The victim's suffering, pain, and humiliation cause the person with sexual sadism to become aroused. The fantasies, urges, or behaviors must be present for at least six months. The diagnostic criteria also require either that the person has acted on these urges or fantasies with a nonconsenting person, or that the person has experienced noticeable distress or interpersonal problems because of these urges or fantasies. Sexual sadism must be differentiated from normal sexual arousal, behavior, and experimentation. Some forms of mild aggression, such as "love bites" or scratching, are within the range of normal behavior during sexual intercourse. Sadism should also be differentiated from sadomasochistic behavior that involves only mild pain and/or the simulation of more dangerous pain. When these factors are present, a diagnosis of sexual sadism is not necessarily warranted. Other mental disorders, such as the psychotic disorders, may include elements of sadism or other paraphilias. For example, patients with psychotic symptoms may perform sadistic acts for reasons other than sexual excitement. In these cases, an additional diagnosis of sexual sadism is not warranted. Persons diagnosed with sexual sadism may have other sexual disorders or paraphilias. Some individuals, especially males, have diagnoses of both sexual sadism and sexual masochism. http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Sexual-sadism.html im not trying to question you, Master, just trying to get a feel for when the normal ends and the abnormal begins. well wishes Master tazzy Greetings tazzy In reply to your recent entry I have emailed you various links for you to explore. Hopefully in reading them you will be able to arrive at your own answer to what you presented. quote:
im not trying to question you, Master, just trying to get a feel for when the normal ends and the abnormal begins. Further understand that I elected to send links via email as the quanity of them are rather extensive. I was not sure of the extent of links that are permitted here in a reply. I did not care to violate any rule of Tos or otherwise. Again, I appreciate your valuable contribution to this topic. I wish you well, ~ Zevar~ Thank you for the links, Master. They are quite informative. was a great read with breakfast this morning! ~smiles There are things that stood out while i read. im posting what stood out to me in hopes of opening this up further for discussion. . quote:
Some amount of sadism and masochism is commonly play-acted in healthy sexual relationships, and mutually compatible partners often seek one another out. For example, the use of silk handkerchiefs for simulated bondage and mild spanking during sexual activity are common practices between consenting partners and are not considered sadomasochistic http://www.depression-guide.com/sexual-sadism.htm is this source saying there are degrees which are acceptable and which are not? quote:
Definition of Sexual sadism Sexual sadism: Individuals with sexual sadism disorder have persistent fantasies in which sexual excitement results from inflicting psychological or physical suffering (including humiliation and terror) on a sexual partner. This disorder is different from minor acts of aggression in normal sexual activity; for example, rough sex. In some cases, sexual sadists are able to find willing partners to participate in the sadistic activities. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46417 and again this one also seems to be saying the same thing. oddly when i clicked on the link for normal sexual activity, it gave me the following definition below. i find that rather confusing Master quote:
Definition of Frotteurism Frotteurism: Frotteurism is a problem where the focus of the person's sexual urges is related to touching or rubbing his genitals against the body of a non-consenting, unfamiliar person. In most cases of frotteurism, a male rubs his genital area against a female, often in a crowded public location. This disorder also is a problem because the contact made with the other person is illegal. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46414 so i kept reading. quote:
Manifestation: --Types of Sexual Sadism: Krafft-Ebing (1886/1965) sub-classified sexual sadism into several categories including: 1.Lust-murder. Here he included cases in which there was a connection between sexual arousal and killing which may extend to anthropaphagy or cannibalism (eating body parts of the victim). Among examples he included "Jack the Ripper" and similar types of homicide 2.Mutilation of corpses or necrophilia 3.Injury to females (stabbing, flagellation etc.,) 4.Defilement of women 5.Other kinds of assaults on women - symbolic sadism in which, for example, the perpetrator cuts the hair of his victim rather than harming them directly 6.Ideal sadism or sadistic fantasies alone without acts 7.Sadism with other objects, for example, whipping of boys 8.Sadistic acts with animals Those eight basic types can be roughly categorized into two main groups of Sexual sadism: Mild sadism in a consensual sexual relationship (eg. S&M) and the major category involving injury or worse, usually in a non-consensual relationship. In both, the element of pain to the victim is the sexual stimulus. http://www.forensicpsychiatry.ca/paraphilia/sadism.htm Now, to me, this is saying it doesnt matter what form, its still sexual sadism. im rather confused at this point. Even the experts seem to be having trouble deciding when its healthy and when its not Master. The last one is a book.. and.. its powerful... but, in my opinion, not truly germaine to the discussion. http://books.google.com/books?id=R0lnSJZrHJUC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=when+is+sexual+sadism+appropiate%3F&source=bl&ots=WZaL4pVIF1&sig=xRFR4f-Uk20C4m5jvZOLThw0i74&hl=en&ei=0phySvubK4bYsgPrrfXaCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12#v=onepage&q=&f=false This book is about an incestuous relationship that has an underlying sadistic theme to their "encounters". There are too many issues within thier dynamic to be able to utilize it to any degree within this discussion, in my opinion, Master. They are both sadistic and masochistic and could be the result of their sexual relationship and the guilt associated with it as well as the males past rape, which im sure had at least a part in his decisions. again, im seeking a common understanding of when its normal and when its abnormal. perhaps thats the problem so many are having, Master. consent of a willing participant seems to be, in part, a deciding factor. many of the available links are around the time the Gor books were written... some even predate the series. A much more current article, from the Merck Manual, Last full review/revision November 2007 by George R. Brown, MD http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch104/ch104c.html quote:
Sexual Masochism and Sadism Sexual masochism involves acts in which a person experiences sexual excitement from being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise abused. Sexual sadism involves acts in which a person experiences sexual excitement from inflicting physical or psychologic suffering on another person. Some amount of sadism and masochism is commonly play-acted in healthy sexual relationships, and mutually compatible partners often seek one another out. For example, the use of silk handkerchiefs for simulated bondage and mild spanking during sexual activity are common practices between consenting partners and are not considered sadomasochistic. Most sadists interact with a consenting partner (who may have sexual masochism). In these relationships, the humiliation and beating are simply acted out, with participants knowing that it is a game and carefully avoiding actual humiliation or injury. Fantasies of total control and dominance are often important, and sadists may bind and gag their partner in elaborate ways. In contrast, the disorder of sexual masochism or of sexual sadism takes these acts to an extreme or involves nonconsenting victims (and thus constitutes a crime). Some acts result in severe bodily or psychologic harm and even death. For example, masochistic sexual activity may involve asphyxiophilia, in which the person is partially choked or strangled (by a partner or by self-application of a noose around the neck). A temporary decrease in oxygen to the brain at the point of orgasm is sought as an enhancement to sexual release, but the practice may accidentally result in death. Treatment of masochism and sadism is usually ineffective. It is often fascinating to me to see the differences over the years between studies and books by leading Scientists, Psychologists and Counselors in the field of sexuality. Defining extreme, beyond the need to seek medical attention or death, seems to be particularly difficult, at least when it comes to gaining a consensus. Thank you again, Master, for the morning brain food! well wishes tazzy
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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt. RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11 Duchess of Dissent 1 Dont judge me because I sin differently than you. If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.
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