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FullCircle -> RE: religion question (8/2/2009 12:30:55 PM)
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
Chaos and chance are the opposite of design thus something is either created or it came about by chance.
Interesting logic. Let's see how it holds up in another example:
Black and white are of opposite design and thus something is either black or white.
Strange...I'm seeing a lot of this "orange" thing on CM...
That isn't even a parallel to what I said. I could accept the view that something always existed as an alternative to being created with design or coming about through chance but for me these are the only three options. To take my words and give them an entirely unconnected meaning introducing variables and constants I haven’t mentioned is ludicrous.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
The thing that rules out space monkeys is the fact a monkey has limited intelligence and as such is not capable of interstellar transport thus any monkeys existing elsewhere in the universe would have to have evolved along exactly the same lines as that of earth monkeys which is virtually impossible to the point of not worth being investigated. It surprises me I have to explain this to internet monkeys.
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Only because you don't fully understand monkeys. And, besides, these monkeys are from outer space where they've been involved in scientific study for millenia. We just can see the planet they're from and have yet to understand their communications.
There is that remote possibility that aliens abducted earth monkeys for experiments and as a direct result of that space monkeys exist elsewhere in the universe. You are free to start a thread entitled "Do space monkeys exist?" but for me it isn't one of those top ten questions that every human has asked at some point. Before you came to your conclusions as to the existence of a creator you had to first ask the question, why did you ask this question? For me it was as a direct result as looking around and just wondering, you can pretend this question is on a par to that of the space monkeys one but it isn't. Thus yes a lot of things could exist but we'll often try and look for answers to the questions that may affect us before considering other questions.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
It's not something I would consider as there is a more viable explanation. This is not the case when questioning as to if god exists or not. To say god exists is just as viable as to say god doesn’t existquote:
If you want to discard logic and sensibility, then yes. your god is just as likely as my above-mentioned space monkeys, though. And at least my space monkeys don't play games with people's lives.
Everything I've stated could logically be the case, I have not contradicted myself in terms of logic once. As I said previously two people can make logical stances that oppose one another if their reasoning throughout is consistent. I don't understand this need to use the term ‘logic’ as if it were some shield of truth implying we could find the answers to every question correctly if we only had logic to do so with. What we each lack is evidence not logic or a logical line of enquiry.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
So do we have a sound idea that god doesn't exist and what is this idea of yours please do tell I'm all ears.
Here I am wanting to know of this evidence that demonstrates god doesn't exist?quote:
You won't want to read it all. I'm telling you...
But, if you insist: here it is.
Very scientific.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
In the interest of discussion then technically it doesn't, but if your kink is semantics then technically it does for some dictionaries.
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To be more precise, it only requires self-reflective sentience. Conveniently to our myopic concept of deities, we are the only planetary species to have a well-formed version of that skill. You don't find deity-worshiping evident in creature without the imagination to fabricate one.
If your argument here is that believing in something always makes it untrue then you are obviously wrong.
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