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Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/27/2009 9:04:00 PM

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Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street

Lawmakers flock to 133 C St. SE for cheap rent, weekly dinners, Bible studies and spirituality sessions that serve as a sort of group therapy for some of the country’s most powerful men.

But now the stately brick house is becoming known for something else: It’s ground zero for Republican sex scandals. In February, Nevada Sen. John Ensign — who lives at the house — was confronted at C Street by colleagues who wanted him to end his affair with a staffer.

Earlier this month, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford — who lived at C Street when he served in the House — said C Street was where he’d been asked the “hard questions” that were “very, very important” in his decision to admit an affair with an Argentine woman.

And last week, the estranged wife of former Rep. Chip Pickering said he carried on a long-term extramarital affair while living at the “well-known C Street Complex.”

The trifecta of trysts has made C Street an easy target for charges of “family values” hypocrisy — see the New York Times columns by Maureen Dowd and Gail Collins over the weekend.

But Christian lawmakers say Washington prayer and Bible-study groups — and the secrecy that surrounds them — provide crucial counseling for their lives in the nation’s capital.

.............The large townhouse, valued at more than $1.8 million, is run by Christian network of nonprofits and ministries known as “The Fellowship.” Headquartered in Arlington, Va., the group focuses on what Fellowship leaders call the “up and out,” or powerful politicians struggling to confront their personal demons.

By ministering to the most powerful, The Fellowship believes, it can bring Christian beliefs to the larger culture.

Jeff Sharlet, who wrote a book about his time in The Fellowship's Virginia headquarters, said the group believes that lawmakers have been "chosen" to lead by Jesus Christ.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 5:36:12 AM

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The power hungry have no sacred cows when they try to gain power and religion has always been a go to tool. Whether to bath themselves into beleiving they are acting on people's best interest or selling their personal issues to the public by wrapping them up in God, power people have and always will use religion in a perverted way.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 9:08:28 AM

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Just wondering Rule... because you are not Christian does that make your personal perversions any less perverse? Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 9:30:25 AM

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Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?

Only if he campaigned on a platform that denounced kinky sex. To tell the truth I really don't give a fuck who a politician fucks. I really don't care if a politician is having an affair. What makes it somewhat of a tiny issue with the Republicans (and the Conservatives here in Canada) is that the party tends to present itself as the champions of morality and "family values". That is what makes it hypocritical, and thus marginally newsworthy.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 9:49:30 AM

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Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?
Only if he campaigned on a platform that denounced kinky sex. To tell the truth I really don't give a fuck who a politician fucks. I really don't care if a politician is having an affair. What makes it somewhat of a tiny issue with the Republicans (and the Conservatives here in Canada) is that the party tends to present itself as the champions of morality and "family values". That is what makes it hypocritical, and thus marginally newsworthy.

So you think the Democratic party does not have the same "family Values"?... What I find hypocritical about associating Christians and Republicans with hypocrisy is you are really saying, “you are just as bad as me”. Will if they are then how does that make you better?

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 10:45:41 AM

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I never said anybody was better. What I said was that people who publicly proclaim their morals to be better and who then turn out to be no different than the rest of us should expect to be called out on it, or at least ridiculed for it. In my experience it is those on the right who make a big deal of their morality, not those on the left. However, if a democratic politician made an issue of his moral uprightness and then got caught blowing strangers in a public washroom, then it too would be marginally newsworthy.
It isn't the political orientation that is at issue, what is the issue is that someone who preached a holier than thou platform is caught out breaking his own supposed beliefs, beliefs they often try to force on the rest of us. Like I said in my earlier post, I really don't give a rat's ass who a politician fucks (as long as all are over the age of consent). What makes it an issue (and a pretty inconsequential one at that) is when said politician has been portraying themselves as all moral and upstanding, and trying to impose their views on the government's actions (like that guy in the US recently who was anti-gay marriage and got caught doing men in an airport bathroom or something like that...see told you I don't pay a lot of attention to these sorts of stories). The issue isn't the fucking, its the hypocrisy, and unfortunately for those on the right, it is their side that preaches the family values thing most of the time, so more of their folks get called on their hypocrisy when they get caught fucking around. I mean who would be surprised if it turned out Ted Kennedy fucked some of his interns? he has never been preachy about morals, so if he was caught doing something morally questionable (like fucking an intern) there would be no hypocrisy, no story. The reason that saying "you are just as bad as me" is telling is because they have claimed to be better than me.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 10:58:07 AM

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Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?
Only if he campaigned on a platform that denounced kinky sex. To tell the truth I really don't give a fuck who a politician fucks. I really don't care if a politician is having an affair. What makes it somewhat of a tiny issue with the Republicans (and the Conservatives here in Canada) is that the party tends to present itself as the champions of morality and "family values". That is what makes it hypocritical, and thus marginally newsworthy.

So you think the Democratic party does not have the same "family Values"?... What I find hypocritical about associating Christians and Republicans with hypocrisy is you are really saying, “you are just as bad as me”. Will if they are then how does that make you better?

Butch

It is not about the Democrats pointing out Republican failures and proclaiming themselves morally better. It is about the Republican party for years now proclaiming themselves morally superior to others. People are commenting and ridiculing them for their blatant hypocrisy and false accusations that being Republican means having better family values.

It is not the either or that one must be good and the other bad but pointing out the lies and hypocrisy of pretending to think of yourselves as being better. I do not hear Democrats going we are better but pointing out welcome to the real world. The Republican party campaign after campaign has been the one pointing the finger saying they are better.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:00:05 AM

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So you have nothing to hide....if you decided to enter politics and wanted to make a difference ...could you do it with your background?... Do you walk down the street and every person you meet you tell your life story too? If you had the brains and money to make a difference ...would you just say no because of your past?

No you would say it is none of their business... just as Clinton should have done and what Republicans should have said to the headhunting assholes out for a story.

Are you a good man even with your perversions?...I think you are...you would also be human to try and keep your private life private.

I don't call Democrats or Republicans hypocritical because of their political stand and their private life.... I call people that think they are better because they hide their perversions better hypocritical.

We ALL have parts of our lives that are private...Christians… Atheists…Democrats and Republicans a like.

Butch

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:06:03 AM

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To tell the truth I really don't give a fuck who a politician fucks.

They're doing all of us, and I DO care! I just wish I could do something about it...

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:13:55 AM

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Just wondering Rule... because you are not Christian does that make your personal perversions any less perverse? Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?

Butch

Well, first you are making assumptions based on my religious opinions on these boards.

I was born and raised in a devoutly Catholic family. Even now, while I question and doubt it, I do not completely renounce it.

As for your second question, no.

Unless I spent my time campaigning against the evils of BDSM while practicing it at the same time.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:16:22 AM

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The issue isn't the fucking, its the hypocrisy,

Yes.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:41:50 AM

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"Hard work, responsibility, faith, and family are the values that built America, and they are the values we should rely on to shape our future."

John Edwards
the man who probably cost Hillary the Presidency and left us to clean up the mess Obama is making.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:46:42 AM

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Just wondering Rule... because you are not Christian does that make your personal perversions any less perverse? Would not your choices in this lifestyle if made public during a political campaign seem just as hypocritical as Republicans and sex?

Butch

Well, first you are making assumptions based on my religious opinions on these boards.

I was born and raised in a devoutly Catholic family. Even now, while I question and doubt it, I do not completely renounce it.

As for your second question, no.

Unless I spent my time campaigning against the evils of BDSM while practicing it at the same time.

Hi Rule I was only going by your posts in the past...in another thread I seem to remember you saying you no longer believed... if I am wrong forgive me.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 11:53:19 AM

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Lorr don't you think your private life is just that...private. Say your were a devout Christian but screwed around on your mate. Would that make the word of God any less true?

Same with a politician...their words or message of family values are no less truthful even if they are weak and fail to follow them. The hypocrisy is not that they were weak but that you should judge them...being less than perfect yourself.

Butch

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 4:25:17 PM

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"Hard work, responsibility, faith, and family are the values that built America, and they are the values we should rely on to shape our future."

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/28/2009 10:35:40 PM

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So you have nothing to hide....if you decided to enter politics and wanted to make a difference ...could you do it with your background?... Do you walk down the street and every person you meet you tell your life story too? If you had the brains and money to make a difference ...would you just say no because of your past?

No you would say it is none of their business... just as Clinton should have done and what Republicans should have said to the headhunting assholes out for a story.

Are you a good man even with your perversions?...I think you are...you would also be human to try and keep your private life private.

I don't call Democrats or Republicans hypocritical because of their political stand and their private life.... I call people that think they are better because they hide their perversions better hypocritical.

We ALL have parts of our lives that are private...Christians… Atheists…Democrats and Republicans a like.

Butch

Butch, you're missing the part where I said I personally don't care about who a politician fucks (hell I don't care if he's a sheep shagger). And yes Clinton should have told them to go fuck themselves, it wasn't anybody's business but his, Monica's and Hillary's. However the difference is when somebody campaigns for office on the premise that they are morally superior, and then turns out not be so, well that is marginally newsworthy.

And no, I would never run for office, I know damned well I would never get elected, but if I did run, I sure as hell wouldn't make moral superiority part of my platform. I would not campaign against perversion while secretly indulging in it. I would never worry about a politician's sexual peccadillos unless he had made it an issue himself, which is what an awful lot of those on the right do with their moral majority, evangelical holier than thou platforms. They brought it on themselves by proclaiming themselves above that sort of thing. its like that Presidential candidate years ago who challenged the press to go ahead and investigate him, and then got caught with a bimbo on some boat...he asked for it.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/29/2009 10:08:35 AM

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I can see where we differ... I separate the message from the messenger... The message is good and important. People who fail to live up to this message are not hypocritical... they are weak.

Although I am not a republican I don’t look at the party with any less respect because a member failed to live up to the platform.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/29/2009 10:11:33 AM

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I guess you could say agnostic leaning towards atheism.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/29/2009 10:17:57 AM

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Lorr don't you think your private life is just that...private. Say your were a devout Christian but screwed around on your mate. Would that make the word of God any less true?

Same with a politician...their words or message of family values are no less truthful even if they are weak and fail to follow them. The hypocrisy is not that they were weak but that you should judge them...being less than perfect yourself.

Butch

Which is precisely the point.

I myself don't care anything about a politician's private life.

But these are people who preach from the pulpit and condemn others while doing the same themselves.

I've posted links before regarding those evangelical, "holier-than-thou" Republicans who lambasted Clinton for his lack of morals then were caught in their own sexual scandals. Many of them with direct ties to C Street.

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RE: Republican sex scandal meets spirituality on C Street - 7/29/2009 12:54:44 PM

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Oh I agree here...but just because they did it to Clinton should not make it right in these cases... unless you are no different then they are.

Butch

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