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sub drop - 2/20/2006 5:44:42 AM   
destinykitty


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Status: offline 		Tonight Master punished me harder then he ever had before and while during it i hated it afterwards i was feeling content and calm and floaty but now a few hours later i cant stop shaking and am crying and dont know why, I was feeling so good after punishment was over as i rode that endorphin wave. Has anyone else ever experienced this?

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 6:45:39 AM   
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Tonight Master punished me harder then he ever had before and while during it i hated it afterwards i was feeling content and calm and floaty but now a few hours later i cant stop shaking and am crying and dont know why, I was feeling so good after punishment was over as i rode that endorphin wave. Has anyone else ever experienced this?


Sounds like classic sub drop. If he's around, let him comfort you. If he isn't, try to relax and let nature take its course.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:05:44 AM   
destinykitty


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Status: offline 		its the first time this has happened to me, the reason i titled this post sub drop was because i vagely remember reading something on sub drop a couble of years ago but it had never happened to me. In the six years i have been in the scene i have never experienced this and unfortuantly Master has had to go to bed as he has work in the morning. I only dropped after he went to bed. Does anyone know why this happens?

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:07:50 AM   
michaelGA


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LOL

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:25:36 AM   
JohnWarren


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Does anyone know why this happens?



Simple answer: You are high on the scene energy and the chemicals your body is producing. Afterwards you go back to normal. However, you've gotten used to "high" and your mind and body interpret the current condition as "low."

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:29:17 AM   
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its the first time this has happened to me, the reason i titled this post sub drop was because i vagely remember reading something on sub drop a couble of years ago but it had never happened to me. In the six years i have been in the scene i have never experienced this and unfortuantly Master has had to go to bed as he has work in the morning. I only dropped after he went to bed. Does anyone know why this happens?


Hi destinykitty,
I am thinking that maybe you didnt get what you needed before your Master went to bed as far as comforting. How much time did he spend with you after he punished you? You may have felt it was enough at the time, but then when he went to bed, you may have been in the middle of the actual drop and he didnt notice, which left you feeling alone and extremely vulnerable. This is just a guess, since you didnt mention how long he spent with you afterwards and what the time difference was between the punishment and his going to sleep.
<Drops her Mistress hat> There were times after love-making (Not a session), I felt content to lie in his arms and I felt very happy. But as soon as I heard him deep breathing and I knew that he was asleep, I started to feel lonely. I started to resent that he was asleep and didnt read my mind. How could he of known I was upset if what I portrayed was happiness and content? This doesnt happen when I am with my submissive (hence the dropping of the Mistress hat) but it used to happen when I was married.
I dont know if this is the case with you, but I know that it was with me. I hope this helps. I have no suggestions on how to deal with it, but I did offer a possible explaination for it.


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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:30:16 AM   
ownedgirlie


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quote:

ORIGINAL: destinykitty

Tonight Master punished me harder then he ever had before and while during it i hated it afterwards i was feeling content and calm and floaty but now a few hours later i cant stop shaking and am crying and dont know why, I was feeling so good after punishment was over as i rode that endorphin wave. Has anyone else ever experienced this?




i went through the same thing. It wasn't punishment, but a form of training, however. i was left in a certain way....for a long time. He called to release me from that um...position...and while i thought i was doing "okay"...i realized i couldn't talk. And when i DID talk, it was was just a bunch of mumbling through crying. That surprised me and scared me, and when i realized what i had just been through, i ended up nearly hysterical, not understanding any of it. It was his intent to push my envelope so far that i teetered on the edge. He did not return in my hysteria either; rather he calmed me on the phone and went about his business. i went to my "emotional safe place" and meditated on him. When i could gather myself, i journaled about it - writing everything i thought and felt while in that situation, and i left it for him to read so we can discuss this morning.

Just breathe, focus on him and on your submission, and remember time is your friend. we are stronger in the end when pushed. i like the term "sub drop."

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:33:41 AM   
SophiaBelle


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Status: offline 		It has everything to do with the chemical release you experience during and directly after a scene, your psychological state of mind only enhances what your body does naturally for you in response to arousal, pain and perhaps emotional distress.
Afterwards, your body has to go through and fix the balance of chemicals, also, those marvellous ones (like adrenaline) are all gone (as well as the surpluss of glucose often dumped into the bloodstream during fight or flight) and this makes you physically feel less energized and a little shakey.
Amusingly, the first time I experienced this sensation, it had nothing to do with BDSM- as an EMT, occasionally you have calls that really get the old blood (and chemicals) pumping, and afterwards, I collapsed into a little ball of shaky, crying and nauseated medical personel. As time goes on, you will be able to distinguish what it is, and the steps you need to take. This is all part of that whole after care schtick. You might need some sugar (juice) and crackers (especially if you get nauseated as I do.) Or just being held... or... what have you.
I rambled for longer than I'd intended.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 8:51:22 AM   
ownedgirlie


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You might need some sugar (juice) and crackers...



i always intensely crave sugar after being pushed that hard. i end up having a huge sugar binge.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 9:34:36 AM   
destinykitty


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Status: offline 		Thank you for explaining the reasons this happened.

Master punished me at about 7.30pm - 8.30pm afterwards i curled up on the couch and snuggled up to him while he played on the playstation at that point i was drifting and floating, i remember that he kept asking me if was alright and telling me he loved me and was proud of me but those memorys are almost like remembering a dream.
When i stopped floating we sat down and had ice cream and he played on the computer for a little while as i laid on the bed in the bedroom he came to bed and we snuggled and talked for about an hour before he fell asleep at around 11 and i got back up as i ususaly do to do some study and read it was then that it hit me. In aftercare and comfort he was great.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 11:20:59 AM   
Mercnbeth


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i cant stop shaking and am crying and dont know why


it could have been, literally, something you ingested--physical and mental symptoms="allergic reaction" type of thing.
if you had ingested a powerful chemical knowingly, we'd be discussing your symptoms as "withdrawal".

not everyone feels a "drop", "withdrawal" or "allergic reaction" or interprets the sensations they are feeling in the same way with the same chemicals as everybody else has imbibed or created from within. some folks want/need extra attention, affection, cuddling to feel good about themselves regardless of their admitted chemical (im)balances and the term "sub-drop" sounds so psychobabbologically cool, they run with it.

personally, this slave doesn't feel a "drop" or a "withdrawal" from the high that comes from within, after intensity with Master--the only long-term residual this slave feels after surfing that endorphin wave is a boost in her overall calm, an intense feeling of peace, tears of joy.

the shaking, crying, confusing, hysteria, nausea and panic that comes every month~ well, that's either a "female" thing or somebody slipped this slave an aspirin when she wasn't looking!

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 2:31:36 PM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		This thread was full of good advice and would be worth your time to check out.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_56427/mpage_1/key_subbie+flu/tm.htm#56935

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 2:53:29 PM   
nonuts4thshoney


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ORIGINAL: destinykitty

Tonight Master punished me harder then he ever had before and while during it i hated it afterwards i was feeling content and calm and floaty but now a few hours later i cant stop shaking and am crying and dont know why, I was feeling so good after punishment was over as i rode that endorphin wave. Has anyone else ever experienced this?




This has happened to me a handfull of times. i like to be whipped or flogged until i cant take it anymore and that is what usually puts me in sub space. But, i now see that those few times i experienced sub drop was when i was gradually brought down. i'd cry for no reason and be in the most depressed mood ever. i hear that you are supposed to bring the person down but i like it as hard and as rough as can be until i just cant take it anymore. Is anyone else just like this?

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 3:21:30 PM   
slavejali


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Status: offline 		I've only experienced sub drop when i felt i didnt get the attention i needed after something intense. Saying that, that doesnt mean I wasnt cared for or given attention, it just meant that the intense thing mighta happened at 7pm, yet still at 2am and my Master was exhausted and asleep I still needed his attention...which isnt fair now hey*grin*

Sounds like what happened to you.

Disclaimer: This hasnt happened with my Master now *grin*



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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 3:29:59 PM   
fastlane


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Disclaimer: This hasnt happened with my Master now *grin*


LOL, we all learn from our mistakes, some of us just slower than others......Fastlane kicks himself in the butt while saying...."Sub drop, this is something that always gets me in trouble.....I ain't sayin Nuttin!"

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 4:18:01 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		with my 'x' i had sub drop... but had no idea it was normal, much less an actual term for it. i was never given after care and within a day or 2 i usually struck out in a not good way, it always ended in a fight and me feeling like crap for feeling how and what i was feeling.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 4:22:29 PM   
MyCaptainsPet


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<Drops her Mistress hat> There were times after love-making (Not a session), I felt content to lie in his arms and I felt very happy. But as soon as I heard him deep breathing and I knew that he was asleep, I started to feel lonely. I started to resent that he was asleep and didnt read my mind. How could he of known I was upset if what I portrayed was happiness and content?


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Oh man do i know what you mean here!

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 4:30:28 PM   
jadenth


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Status: offline 		this floaty "sub high" is something that my Master tries to get me to almost every time we play. He actually likes to wait until i get there to punish me because i get overly sensitive to touch, even to the point that i can feel when He moves though my aura. i also have a hard time moving very much. the thing that works the best for me as the feelings fade is my Master holding me. this is usually when we talk about the scene or other deep issues. I agree with the others that aftercare is a must, even if you have to work through it by yourself. after a perticularly intense scene my Master will make me drink some orange juice or a rain energy drink before i have the chance to come down much at all. He also has thought of taking me to the gym to work out while i am still in the high so the endorphines from exercise suppliment the high and keep me from dropping hard.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 4:46:54 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		my personal experience is that i tend to drop very hard... i literally crash... typically between 12 and 24 hours later... i crash hard...and since my x and i were not 24/7 i was always alone when it happened and he was no where to be found.

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RE: sub drop - 2/20/2006 9:44:07 PM   
DragonNphoenix


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Just breathe, focus on him and on your submission, and remember time is your friend. we are stronger in the end when pushed. i like the term "sub drop."



I agree. We are sooooooooo much stronger in the end. It is one of the reasons that I feel that one has to be strong to be a slave/submissive. ((personal feelings....))


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