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MzMia -> New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 2:09:07 PM)

New York City is apparently buying one-way tickets for the homeless to
go almost anywhere, IF they can prove they have someone to live with once they
get there. {ticket to Paris $6,000, ticket to Johannesburg $2,550}

I heard this on the radio, it sounded odd to me, I looked it up and it is a true story.
I think it is a great idea for those that it is really helping, but I wish they could also put this
much effort in assisting those that have no-where to go.

I wonder if more states will find this a viable option to help a few of the homeless find homes or people willing to take them in? 
 

City Buys One-Way Tickets Home for Homeless Families - NYTimes.com




servantforuse -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 2:34:35 PM)

If they send them to Milwaukee, I'm paying for a ticket right back to the Big Apple.




MzMia -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 2:35:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If they send them to Milwaukee, I'm paying for a ticket right back to the Big Apple.


too funny, you actually made me laugh.




littlewonder -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 3:45:31 PM)

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19479789/detail.html

homeless people and hookers..hhmm...




willbeurdaddy -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 5:23:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19479789/detail.html

homeless people and hookers..hhmm...


and illegal aliens. As I recall Immigration has a policy to pay for repatriation of released felons to their country of origin.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 7:08:22 PM)

Hey, a few grand vs. $36K average.....sounds like a bargain to me. We used to have places for folks like this to go. You saw them in movies. They were motels with signs reading, "Men Only," "no cooking in rooms," etc. Transient hotels used to be found in the center of every major city in America. We've turned those areas into condos for yuppies. Now, no neighborhood wants them. Very few cities have places for them anymore. Very few states have mental hospitals that will take many of these people (that very much need some help). It's sad. It's a backlash against the horrific way that mentally ill folks, alcoholics, and drug addicts used to get treated. We went from one extreme to another.




TheHeretic -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 7:20:48 PM)

One of the homeless services agencies in my area does this.  If a homeless person can establish that they have a place to go, family to stay with, for example, they will buy a bus ticket.  The mayor of one of the cities around here is fully on board. 

I like the idea, when it works as advertised, but it seems like there is much potential for abuse.




Arpig -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/29/2009 9:21:53 PM)

Of course there is potential for abuse, there is potential for abuse in any program, but I like this one. It is original and seems to be cost effective, somebody was thinking outside the box on this one.
Actually we used to have a somewhat similar program here in Ontario (it may still be in existence, I don't know and don't feel like looking it up), the province would give anybody on Welfare money to move to any other province (the catch was you would no longer be eligible for welfare in Ontario for some set number of years). The other provinces screamed bloody murder when busloads of Ontario poor started showing up and applying for welfare, and I think they pressured the Ontario government into dropping the program.




lazarus1983 -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/30/2009 1:29:37 PM)

I saw this in the NY Times, and I had to laugh.

How to solve the homeless problem? Send them home.

So ridiculously simplistic, that by jeebus it just might work.




StrangerThan -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/30/2009 4:34:19 PM)

It isn't a new thing. Other cities have done it before in an effort, mostly, to "clean up." Atlanta was a case in point during the Olympics.

I was a reporter at the time and did a story on them. Basically, anywhere you want to go as long as it isn't here.




awmslave -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/30/2009 9:43:59 PM)

The program is heartless and it can have only very limited success. I would suggest an effort to to build countrywide network. There may be places in the country where homeless families can be accommodated and employment opportunities found.




Arpig -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/30/2009 10:39:35 PM)

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I The program is heartless and it can have only very limited success.
How do you figure it is heartless....help a homeless person to get back to a family member who can house them and give them a chance to get back on their feet....yup bloody heartless alright much more caring to leave them where they are....on the streets.
quote:

I would suggest an effort to to build countrywide network.
Build a country wide network of what?? Homeless shelters? Have you ever spent the night in a homeless shelter? Wouldn't you prefer to be in Aunt Matilda's basement? I sure as hell would.
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There may be places in the country where homeless families can be accommodated and employment opportunities found.
There is, where they have a support network...family or friends that are willing to help them out.




stella41b -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 12:01:11 AM)

I have mixed feelings on this one. I work with the homeless here in London especially with those migrant workers from Poland and the City of Westminster has, among others, set up an arrangement with the Polish homeless charity BARKA also to send people back.

As I'm one of the few people working with the homeless who speaks fluent Polish I've been involved in repatriating quite a few of the Polish migrant workers who ended up homeless and sleeping rough in Central London.

Some come to London with quite unrealistic expectations, others have been 'duped' with false offers of work, some others have been attacked and robbed of everything they had by organized criminals working in gangs between Poland and London, but a considerable number have clearly been sent to London by officials either in labour exchange offices or people like probation officers.

Poland is in the European Union, there's no immigration issues such as visas or work permits, but you are required to register with the DWP for a National Insurance number and also with the NHS. I would estimate that around half of the Poles who come to the UK looking for work don't bother to do this.

A sizeable minority of Poles coming to work in the UK don't speak English which means that most of those I deal with - in some cases all or almost all - don't speak any English and this obviously is a major barrier to finding any work or accommodation in London.

I've lost count how many times I've had to advise someone to go back to Poland, find a job in a larger city, learn English, save about £500 and come back better prepared. For these people the fare back is the best solution.

Now I realize and understand that in some regions in Poland unemployment can be as high as 45% but I wish the Polish media and other official sources would quit giving these people the idea that they can find work and a better life in London, or the UK. I really do. It makes me angry.

What pisses me off just as much are those people who think that there's a simple solution to homelessness. There isn't.

This scheme I believe would help some people, and for this I think it's a good scheme. But in general I don't think it is a good scheme at all. It's not solving anything, it's just moving the people and their problems somewhere else with the potential of creating new problems.

Many of the people I see are middle-aged men. They haven't got a cat in hell's chance of finding work back home, usually they have a wife and kids and often the wife doesn't work, and in some cases their welfare ran out and they have no income. They've quite often borrowed money to come to London in the hope of finding work so that they, together with many of the Poles working in the UK at the moment, can work two or more jobs and send a decent amount of money back home.

In travelling to and from the UK they run the risk of being robbed by gangs of organized criminals who travel on the buses running between Polish cities and London, usually when they arrive either in London or when they arrive back in a Polish city.

Are the UK authorities concerned by this? Not really. Until they have been here for two years usually Polish migrant workers have no recourse to public funds.

There's also a considerable Polish LGBT community in London, concentrated in the Stoke Newington area of London, where such people are free to be themselves unlike back home in Poland.

Some of these men who get sent back are probably going to end up homeless in Poland anyway as their return increases in the likelihood of divorce with additional debts, and still no realistic way of finding sustainable employment.

To me a better solution would be to set up temporary emergency shelters using empty property where you give these people emergency short term accommodation and give them the opportunity to find work and solve their own homelessness.

People tend to become homeless through a lack of opportunity when their options run out. I feel when you present them with at least one well considered option, most will take it, and you start to move towards a solution.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 3:42:46 AM)

Totally off topic, but Ive still never understood why two full brothers from Poland that I worked with, raised in the same household, spelled their last name differently. When they were asked they just smiled and shrugged their shoulders. What was up with that?




MmeGigs -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 6:17:32 AM)

I have mixed feelings about it, too. I don't really see it as a solution to anything. Unless there are some good jobs available where these folks are going, the newcomers will need a lot of services and will be a drain on the local economy. Instead of NYC taxpayers paying for school, medical care, etc., it will fall on the taxpayers in the community where these folks end up.

If all of our cities and counties start doing this, we're just kind of redistributing the homeless. They're not technically homeless anymore, but they aren't contributing members of society, either. I'm sure that a fair number of communities would be sending their homeless to relatives in NYC. They may find that they're a net importer over time. I'm guessing that if this Greyhound Solution starts picking up steam we'll see governments suing each other over the practice before too long.




DarkSteven -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 6:26:05 AM)

So what is the solution?

The great American prosperity machine has been slowing for decades.  Cheaper to make it overseas.  Cheaper to automate.  So fewer people are employed, and the economy has been transitioning to "service" jobs (burger flipper).  Plus with the housing bubble being popped, a lot of money that wasn't really there vanished.

So... we have homeless. 

Sending the problem away to someone else's state is ridiculous.  If I were New Jersey, I'd respond by sending freshly released prisoners to NYC.

I wish I had the answer...




servantforuse -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 7:20:34 AM)

There are a certain number of homeless people in this country that choose to live that lifestyle. They have been offered help and a place to live here in Milwaukee but prefer the street. There are also many so called homeless that are wanted by various law enforcement agencys in every state. They just go underground. 




rulemylife -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 7:45:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Totally off topic, but Ive still never understood why two full brothers from Poland that I worked with, raised in the same household, spelled their last name differently. When they were asked they just smiled and shrugged their shoulders. What was up with that?


Because when many immigrants come here they speak little English and the immigration officers interpret it as best they can.

There are two spellings of my surname within my family also.




sappatoti -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 8:00:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MmeGigs
... I'm guessing that if this Greyhound Solution starts picking up steam we'll see governments suing each other over the practice before too long.


The "smack" talk has already begun between NYC mayor Bloomberg and Orange County, FL mayor Crotty...

http://www.google.com/search?q=mayor+crotty+nyc+homeless+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:





TheHeretic -> RE: New York City buys one-way tickets home for the homeless (7/31/2009 8:32:22 PM)

Meant to get back to this thread sooner...

For the short-term homeless, I think this this is a good thing almost all the way 'round.  By "short-term" homeless, I mean the 'there but for the grace of God' folks, the people who just hit an awful patch, and wind up on their ass.  These are the ones who will benefit most from a ride back to "go."  Of course, they would get themselves back together somehow, anyway.  This is a helping hand.

Where I see the real potential for abuse is with the long-term homeless, the druggies and crazies.  For them, the rule is going to be "wherever you go, there you are."  Unless the programs are effectively targeting those who are ready to help themselves, and handing them tickets with a layover in rehab/mental health treatment, we are just dumping problems on someone else.




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