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Differences - 7/30/2009 9:00:43 AM   
LotusSong


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Status: offline 		When did we stop enjoying each other's differences? We used to tease each other good naturedly. " Black people got rhythm... white people can't dance :)" When did it become so mean spirited? If someone had called me a "Honkey" or a "Cracker", I'd laugh and say "common now.. you calling me a sound and a food stuff? Ya gotta do better than that!".

Could it be the comedians like Lenny Bruce, Don Rickles or Chris Rock? What was defined as "edgy" is now just a cloak to insult people. Freedom of speech seems confused as freedom to insult.

We have all become so anal about it. There is a soul food restaurant I'd love to go to.. but I'd feel like I was tresspassing. Is that being prejudiced? I guess I see it as being respectful.

I don't like illegal immigrants..no matter WHERE they come from. If the first thing you do when you come to my house is disregard the rules, you will not be welcome.

I'll bend over backward to help anyone.. but I will not be used. There is a differnce.

Meet people half-way.. and in the spirit of the POTUS.. I will extend my hand if you unclench your fist.

It's just time folks.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 9:09:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

When did we stop enjoying each other's differences? We used to tease each other good naturedly. " Black people got rhythm... white people can't dance :)" When did it become so mean spirited? If someone had called me a "Honkey" or a "Cracker", I'd laugh and say "common now.. you calling me a sound and a food stuff? Ya gotta do better than that!".

Could it be the comedians like Lenny Bruce, Don Rickles or Chris Rock? What was defined as "edgy" is now just a cloak to insult people. Freedom of speech seems confused as freedom to insult.

We have all become so anal about it. There is a soul food restaurant I'd love to go to.. but I'd feel like I was tresspassing. Is that being prejudiced? I guess I see it as being respectful.

I don't like illegal immigrants..no matter WHERE they come from. If the first thing you do when you come to my house is disregard the rules, you will not be welcome.

I'll bend over backward to help anyone.. but I will not be used. There is a differnce.

Meet people half-way.. and in the spirit of the POTUS.. I will extend my hand if you unclench your fist.

It's just time folks.


I wouldn't attribute it to comedians...humor demonstrates the stupidity of bigotry and helps break down those barriers.

I would attribute it to the polarization of all political discourse in the US, which had its roots in the politics of personal destruction. You cannot support the military without being a "chicken hawk", you cant support abortion without being a "baby killer" and you can't criticize someone of a different skin color or you are a "racist". It is an Alinsky technique to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you so as to diminish their position.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 9:34:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I would attribute it to the polarization of all political discourse in the US, which had its roots in the politics of personal destruction. You cannot support the military without being a "chicken hawk", you cant support abortion without being a "baby killer" and you can't criticize someone of a different skin color or you are a "racist". It is an Alinsky technique to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you so as to diminish their position.


Interesting examples.

While proclaiming your disgust with the polarization of politics you proceed to claim that it is really the people you disagree with that are creating the problems.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 9:36:49 AM   
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While proclaiming your disgust with the polarization of politics you proceed to claim that it is really the people you disagree with that are creating the problems.
Does this really surprise you?

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 10:17:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		i once told a co-worker that she was being a bitch. well, she was, and we were off work, and she was drunk. so she snapped and said... " your calling me a black bitch?!" i said " no, you are a bitch who happens to be black. you can be one without being the other"

some people look for that fight. some people try to bring that fight. some of us just ignore that fight all together.

Master and i discovered a lil soul food place here in pittsburgh. omg... wonderful food!! owned by a black woman who calls herself.. Big Momma! and she is so weet and adorable... and big.. and i can say that cus im big too.

anyways, go check out the place LS. if someone has an issue with it, its their issue, not yours. im sure the owner would appreciate your business, and hopefully the word of mouth, because in this economy they(small restaurants) can use as much business as they can get.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 10:44:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		People need to have a rationalized excuse for their failure. None have mirrors in their homes, therefore race, income, location, education, age, gender, sexual preference, or anything else they can think of must be the reason - because it can't be them!

Anyone surprised? The government, really not fair since the more appropriate cause are the 'special interest' groups who now have bought and paid for the current bureaucrats at every level, local to national; generated the "it's not my fault" mentality. It began when 'F' grades were eliminated from the educational system and graduation was as dependent more on political correctness than work and results.

When people are taught that there failure isn't their fault - they learn to adopt a failure mentality; and learn to depend on someone else for their basic needs. I think it has been quite an accomplishment of the special interest to have succeed in less than two generations. Look at the big issues of the day, health care, housing, jobs, education; there is always a "bad guy" to point to.

The distinguishing important difference that generates the biggest conflict isn't race, income, location, education, age, gender, sexual preference, or anything like them; although they serve to keep the special interests in power because they distract. The difference that can not be reconciled by a handshake or any gesture is between those who want and desire self sufficiency and those that want to live with under 'nanny-care'.

'Soul-Food' : Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles - beth & I hang out there with the 'home-boys' regularly. The only thing as white as beth in the restaurant are the napkins. From the first time we went there I didn't even consider it was a "black restaurant". I had take out brought to me once and just thought of it as a GREAT restaurant. I never felt threatened and personally, I'd rather be killed going into any venue or place I wanted to go to versus being a coward. Lots of mirrors in my house and I'd hate to cover them up.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 11:42:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Mercnbeth that half of the problem is people need someone to blame for life disappointing them. I believe it is a natural behavior not government taught and seen broken people in a completely other culture that were broken because of the government act and suffer in the same way.

The other half I see is America use to be a melting pot with most of the population living in cities and all ethnic and race groups living near by and together. But urban sprawl and single houses on large lots help people choose who they wanted to live near. Then technology has come in and with cellphones and the Internet people never have to talk to therefore learn about and relate to different types of people.

So if you have a strong view politically you can watch a news channel, go on a website, message board and talk to who you want that shares that view and never be forced to actually see another groups take on something. This breeds polarization. Fear the unknown and to deal with that fear condemn them or look down upon them.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 12:02:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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I would attribute it to the polarization of all political discourse in the US, which had its roots in the politics of personal destruction. You cannot support the military without being a "chicken hawk", you cant support abortion without being a "baby killer" and you can't criticize someone of a different skin color or you are a "racist". It is an Alinsky technique to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you so as to diminish their position.


Interesting examples.

While proclaiming your disgust with the polarization of politics you proceed to claim that it is really the people you disagree with that are creating the problems.



ORLY. And where did I claim that? You do notice that I intentionally included a liberal talking point, abortion, to avoid asinine comments like this, didnt you?

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 3:24:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a 33 year employee of AT&T a lot has changed. The best crew I was ever on had 11 black guys and 3 white guys. We all used to joke around  just about everything. Now everyone walks on egg shells. Say the wrong thing and it's out the door. Career over. It's pretty sad the way things have evolved. 

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 4:14:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

As a 33 year employee of AT&T a lot has changed. The best crew I was ever on had 11 black guys and 3 white guys. We all used to joke around  just about everything. Now everyone walks on egg shells. Say the wrong thing and it's out the door. Career over. It's pretty sad the way things have evolved. 


I was a 1 1/2 year employee of ATT (the original ATT that is) till we lbo'd out and they became a client instead of a boss. After working with C. Michael for 10 years I knew it was only a matter of time before the final nail was put in that coffin. Bell Labs/Sandia are the prime examples of how much the profit motive has done for our lives, reaching far beyond telephones and switches.

As far as the change in culture, do you think that is primarily a social phenomena or driven by "diversity" and non-discrmination laws? Certainly in the area of sexual harassment , law was the driver.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 5:00:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The change was a direct result of everyone trying to be politically correct. It is now out of control at that company. I left (retired) there 2 years ago. It wasn't a nice place to work anymore. 

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 5:12:55 PM   
LotusSong


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Status: offline 		I've been wondering just were the slurs originated. I researched using the key phrase "origins of racial slurs". There is a LINK listing 2,649 of them!!!!!

Edited to add.. I've been looking at this list. My mind is just numb. No matter what you do or who you are or how much you try to get along.. SOMEBODY is gonna dogg ya. Sad.. very sad.

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 6:04:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

When did we stop enjoying each other's differences? We used to tease each other good naturedly. " Black people got rhythm... white people can't dance :)" When did it become so mean spirited? If someone had called me a "Honkey" or a "Cracker", I'd laugh and say "common now.. you calling me a sound and a food stuff? Ya gotta do better than that!".

Could it be the comedians like Lenny Bruce, Don Rickles or Chris Rock? What was defined as "edgy" is now just a cloak to insult people. Freedom of speech seems confused as freedom to insult.

We have all become so anal about it. There is a soul food restaurant I'd love to go to.. but I'd feel like I was tresspassing. Is that being prejudiced? I guess I see it as being respectful.

I don't like illegal immigrants..no matter WHERE they come from. If the first thing you do when you come to my house is disregard the rules, you will not be welcome.

I'll bend over backward to help anyone.. but I will not be used. There is a differnce.

Meet people half-way.. and in the spirit of the POTUS.. I will extend my hand if you unclench your fist.

It's just time folks.


Comedians can't be blamed for what's going today. They were entertaining people, making people laugh by pointing out our differences in a humorous way.

The issue goes back almost 30 years and back then, a lot of us were saying it's not going to be good and as suspected the wrong people are going to be blamed for the fall-out.

The "political correctness" movement did not start in a barber shop or soul food restaurant in the hood. It started with people who believe they are a lot smarter than everyone else and that their idea for making sure nobody gets his/her feelings hurt couldn't possibly be flawed.

As a result, every kid gets to play, whether they are coordinated enough to hit a stationary ball on a tee or not. Every kid gets a trophy, even if their team never won a single game. So now, you have kids growing up, being denied jobs, being spurned by someone they are attracted to and resolving these issues by gunning down innocent bystanders. You have kids beating other kids to death because they were "disrespected". All because they never learned how to lose or how to deal with it when their widdle feewings get hurt.

Then there is our differences. I hear people ask all the time: how come Chris Rock can tell white jokes, but if Jeff Foxworthy told black jokes it would be a problem. The answer is: because WHITE college professors and their overly sensitive followers (oops.. I meant students) told us that's the way it should be. The sad part is, if you took the time to ask regular black folks like myself, we'd tell you, we wish Jeff Foxworthy would tell a black joke. That "you might be a redneck" stuff was old after the first HBO special.

There is a segment of our society (all of us carbon based units, regardless of race) whose sole purpose is to stir up shit. There is a segment of our society who buys into that stirred up shit. Then there are the rest of us. I tend to think "the rest of us" make up the largest group but the small percentage of trouble makers tend to produce the most noise.

I say you should check out that soul food restaurant. While you're there, strike up a conversation with a few of the other guests. Ask them about Don Imus.

I guarantee you, about 95% will say: "That old cracker was right. Them was some nappy headed hos!"

Peace

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 7:49:02 PM   
LotusSong


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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 8:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you hit the nail on the head regarding political correctness, SoulPiercer.  Most of these charges of bigotry and racism are levelled by scared white liberals who think they are smarter and more enlightened than the rest of us.  I had never truly known a black person until I joined the Army.  Within a few days, I was making jokes about black people right to them as they made jokes about white people to me.  I said things that would have me recieving death threats if I said them on TV but in 5 years in the military nobody ever seriously accused me of being a racist. 

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 8:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course you should go to the soul food restaurant.
Let us know, how you like the food!

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 8:08:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		A month ago, I saw Emo Phillips make ethnic jokes...

"I last played Denver in 1995.  After the show, I asked when they'd want me back.  They said they'd ask me back when a black man was elected President."

"My next door neighbor is Cuban and she speaks Cuban.  That's a lot like Spanish but with fewer words for luxury items."

"A friend came over from Germany to visit, and we took him out to a deli.  He liked the bagels and said he couldn't get bagels that good back home.  I asked him, 'And whose fault is that?'"

And nobody was offended.

Willbeur, please explain what you meant about Bell Labs and Sandia and the profit motive.  I can't follow, especially because Sandia is funded by government money, isn't it?


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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 8:22:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

I say you should check out that soul food restaurant. While you're there, strike up a conversation with a few of the other guests. Ask them about Don Imus.

I guarantee you, about 95% will say: "That old cracker was right. Them was some nappy headed hos!"

Peace

Yep, I have to agree. Great post, SoulPiercer!

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 8:50:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Of course you should go to the soul food restaurant.
Let us know, how you like the food!


Mrs. White's Golden Rule Cafe. Any suggestions?

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RE: Differences - 7/30/2009 9:10:11 PM   
MzMia


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ORIGINAL: LotusSong


quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Of course you should go to the soul food restaurant.
Let us know, how you like the food!


Mrs. White's Golden Rule Cafe. Any suggestions?


I want to go, and I think they will love you there!
I think I would try the Catfish, red beans and rice and potato salad/and or cabbage, but I bet all the food is delicious.
It all looks very tasty!

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