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Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 4:23:21 AM   
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Ok, so it's offiicial, finally, years later.... The doctor yesterday confirmed what has been suspected for years: I have fibromyalgia, among other things. He started me on Lyrica, Celebrex and Zytram to try to get it manageable. (With some Percocet thrown in for those "bad" days.)

I've seen that a number of us here on CM have fibro, if you have it, what are you doing about it? What treatment does your doctor have you under or are you going an alternative/holistic route? What have you discovered that works for you? Anything you do in your daily life to help?

Do  you have any suggestions for someone who's just been diagnosed with it? What helps, what doesn't help, that sort of thing. The Lyrica seemed to help but I have to be careful taking it - I swear it makes me feel like I'm silly-drunk...all giggly and tipsy. Lumus had fun with it last night but I can't do that every day, especially when we have Mr. Smarties, who's now 5 years old.

Thanks in advance, here's hoping this makes sense. Da brain, iz a little fuzzy-wuzzy this morning. I have nooooooooo clue why....    (And yes, I'm being sarcastic; trying to keep my sense of humour in good shape!) 

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 5:29:54 AM   
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Like you said doctors only try managing it (hoping it will work).You know there is no cure for it, dont you? So in this case you should count on yourself more than you should count on medicines. This will sound silly at the beginning but you should learn how to relax, specially when the symptoms are getting worse. I know it seems difficult to do it while you feel all that, but starting to live a stress free life, and learning to relax even when the worst comes can really reduce the symptoms drastically.

Ok you hear this "relax" advice on many different subjects when it comes to health, but what does it mean really? Well it means the ability of letting it go. Lets say you started to have sensations all over your legs. First step is embracing it, its there and its ok. Second step is not fighting with it psychologically. Worrying will only makes it worse. Third step is breathing and relaxing the body. You can search for yoga breathing and relaxation if you need any techniques.

This is only the beginning. Afterwards you should apply this to the other matters in your life to reduce/eliminate overall stress level of your life (which is directly related to stress level of your body).

Besides that exercising and having a healthy diet (which is not hard on your body) would help. This also is a chance for you to bringing balance back to your life, which also fibromyalgia is related.

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 6:30:27 AM   
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Rain,

It may take awhile before the meds for you are figured out and that can be very frustrating.

I think some of the side effects may go away as your body adjusts.

Be very careful with the Zytram.
Tramadol was once thought to be non-addictive and that is no longer the case.
(If this is the once a day XL version the risk would be lowered.)

I know that often people are put on a low dose of a tricyclic antidepressant to help with sleep as the quality of sleep is very poor in people with fibromyalgia.
TCAs also have some use in the management of chronic pain.

Some people find another antidepressant, Cymbalta helpful.

This seems like a pretty good site that discusses a wide range of treatment options:
http://www.fibromyalgia-symptoms.org/

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 6:47:28 AM   
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Angelika, I can't take most anti-depressants, they damn near kill me. Last time they tried for my anxiety, it was a close call. (That was on Paxil, I also react badly to Effexor.) Plus, I react very badly to Prozac, it gives me really gorgeous, wonderful, colourful hallucinations.  And the conversations with the pretty people was fantastic. Just one little thing - they weren't real.   I ended up in the hospital for that one.

I'm trying to get the meds straightened out now, the nurse called me and said that the doctor told me to stop taking the Lyrica because it would interfere with my tegretol. Except I'm not on Tegretol. So that got her all confused and now I'm confused and waiting for a call back from the office. I don't have a clue what to do right now... (Meh, I could always take a Percocet and lay down but gots too much to do. Mr. Smarties will be here tonight. Yeaaaaaaaaaaa!)

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 7:06:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterHermes
Well it means the ability of letting it go. Lets say you started to have sensations all over your legs. First step is embracing it, its there and its ok. Second step is not fighting with it psychologically. Worrying will only makes it worse. Third step is breathing and relaxing the body. You can search for yoga breathing and relaxation if you need any techniques.


That is so damn true!!!

By now, if I end up in an emotional argument...I think twice if it is worth it or not. Before I was diagnosed last year I had once a hell of a fight (argument) with a train ticket controller (and I did win enough at the end!). However, it also lead to my whole body being in agony about it. It happened on my way to uni and that argument happened as this piece of shit tried to accuse me on at least three occassions of lieing with choosing indirect words (something I don't approve of at all). However once I reached uni I hat to go home after 30 minutes as just my whole body was in a mess, it was pain pure.

Once I had found a smart (gosh and hot) doctor who asked me to look up this condition as this sounds to be it for him I got it!!!

So as then I had a clue what the heck is causing my pain I observed myself...when does it flare up. And I realised that if I argument on an emotional level (intense level), then it can lead to pain...therefore I think twice today about do I argue ... or not ... (some wannabe-doms from the past were attracted to that prospect that it is healthier for me not to argue ... and who knows Lumos might appreciate it too )

Once I was angry big time about a colleague I texted my boss about it on my way to work at another place and because I was so angry about that colleagues attitude the right side of my face started to become tense/painful.

Therefore RELAXE!!! ok?

If something annoys you, it is much better to moan on here towards Holly then to get argumentative in person on an emotional level. So kind of slapping here holly is fine, having an argument with Lumus, isn't

I also ended up once in pain after an argument with a study bitch who changed our group topic after 6 weeks (where my essay was kind of...finished...and I had to start all over again due to her "great idea" of changing it and due to too little support from others to speak against her. On another occassion she tried to get me again into an argument but I did cut her short...not worth to suffer for her...she didn't get it, so fine, then lets stop the argument here instead of getting more into it.

Also when I have a stiff neck I know now that this is because of that...so I know now just to relaxe as there is nothing I can do (though I wanna try a warm water bottler soon-ish but so far didn't buy one, as that might help) and hope it goes soon-ish away...

Apart from that in March when I went home I realised how well a lie in a warm bath tub can help. I had quite discomfort in my body and gosh I felt better after a lie in the warm water...

Apart from that, yep, healthy nutrition, enough sleep, gentle exercises, slower pace of living and reduced level of stress is supposed to help...but don't ask me about that as I fail in all of them at my current stage of living.

Medication wise I am on amitriptyline 25mg per night. That not only makes me sleepy and gives me better sleep, but also leaves me pain free most of the time for 24/7, though you might not be able to take it as depressed people take it at the dosis of at least 75mg...

Best wishes :o)


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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 7:08:36 AM   
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If something annoys you, it is much better to moan on here towards Holly then to get argumentative in person on an emotional level. So kind of slapping here holly is fine, having an argument with Lumus, isn't
well hell....sure wish you woulda ran this by me first!!!

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 7:11:18 AM   
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Prozac and Paxil are SSRIs and Cymbalta is in the same class as Effexor (SSNRIs); tricyclics are an older class and may work differently, although I can understand your reluctance to try them.
They are given at a lower dose than would be prescribed for depression and seem to help with restorative sleep and to some extent pain relief.





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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 7:22:42 AM   
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I am so sorry you have come to have this diagnosis. Fibro is poorly understood and so far difficult to treat. It rarely resolves and there is no known cure remotely in sight. Many experts aren't even sure if it is classified correctly as a rheumatological disorder. I would say it isn't.

First things first. I know you are basking in the victory of FINALLY knowing what is wrong and having a name for it. I can relate with this since it has only been 18 months after about 18 years of this running in the background of my life. Please DO NOT stop looking for any and every other explanation. Remember, this new label is one that is incurable, chronic, and scoffed at by some in the medical community. If you can do better for yourself, please do. Some answers can be simplistic and help enormously. Others, maybe you just really don't want to know, but if they are not handled, it is undermining every single treatment you are trying for your fibro. You want these treatments to be as effective and without side effects as possible. Give yourself every possible advantage for it to happen.

Second, the news will finally settle in and you are left to deal with the fact that this thing in your life is not going away completely. On days where things are under control, this is not too big a feat to digest, but on those bad days it is a mental challenge not to become depressed and hopeless just based on the circumstances alone. This is rather life altering news. How you do everything in your life may have to change and some much beloved things may slowly slip away from you. Therapy is a good thing to consider as you adjust to all these changes and how they are affecting you. A lot of areas have fibro support groups that are helpful as well. Journal, share, post your own experiences that might help others. It is going to be an individual journey to come to terms with everything wrapped up in that one word. Feel free to draw upon all the help and support you can.

Third, do not compare yourself to or allow yourself to be compared to anyone else with fibro. This applies to a lot of conditions, but the truth is if you've seen one person with fibro, you've only seen one person with fibro. It expresses very differently in different people and treatments and levels of success and management vary widely. You DO NOT have to respond to a treatment the way "everyone else" does. Your body is unique. You may be one of the lucky few for whom management comes easy. You may not be. Remember that your journey is a personal one and be sure your doctors view it that way too. One size fits all medicine is useless with a fibro patient.

Fourth, I will echo the diet and exercise advice. I will also expand upon it a little. Depending on your particular expression of fibro, you may or may not be able to eat some of the things that are normally considered "good" for you, but as much as you are able keep it fresh, whole, and even organic/free range if you can. Keep as much nutrients in your food as possible by not overcooking fruits and vegetables (remember, fresh). Prepare meats in as healthy way as possible (grilling, roasting, etc). Steer clear of processed crap, fatty foods or sweets. Learn ALL the different things that could be on a food label that aggravate any or ALL your fibro symptoms. This is an ongoing process as so many chemicals, etc have been put into foods that new disturbing information is coming out all the time. Avoid those things even more simply by keeping clear of those kinds of foods when you can. Bad fibro days are the worst days to go the easy way and use such foods. You will likely feel worse because of consuming it. Exericise is great. What kind is more difficult to manage. This is one of those cases of "if it feels good do it", but also if it doesn't feel wonderful, you might have to suck it up anyway. If it cripples you for days or whatever, it is okay to give yourself permission to not do that activity anymore. It isn't doing you any good. Think of those days you are out of commission and not doing ANYTHING. Better to step it down a notch instead. In a similar vein, if you have been advised to lose weight, have the mindset that you will do so as you are ABLE. I found I could not drop my caloric intake below a certain level or I was so exaughsted I could barely muster the energy to breathe. I have watched as one activity after another has become out of reach. I lose what I can and let them bitch. If they want better results, they are going to have to manage my fibro better. Weight loss isn't only upon you to acheive. You have a medical condition. Doctors have to do their part too and don't let them pawn their responsibility off on you and place stress and guilt upon you. That stress and guilt will only make matters worse.

Fifth, learn as many different ways of managing pain as you can. Some of these things might be simple, like ice or a hot bath. Others may involve learning various meditation techinques or appropriate massage you can do for yourself or that others can do for you at home. Those are just examples. Pain medicines only go so far some days, so prepare yourself in advance with other things you can try.

Sixth, learn to listen to your body. It is so tempting to push hard on the "good" days. Resist this as much as possible. You will learn how your body feels when it is reaching it's limit. Also, you will learn some cues that you might be getting ready to enter a bad day. Anticipating this somewhat can help you have strategies in place for when you can't take care of your whole world.

Seventh, I will echo again to relax. What is happening to your body is happening and, though you are doing all you can to help yourself, a bad day is a bad day. I hear fibro folks say frequently, and have even caught myself, that they are having a bad day because they didn't "behave" the day before. That's bull! You have a life to live. Don't feel guilty about doing so. It sure beats laying around in bed every single day being defeated and passive. You have bad days because you have an illness, plain and simple. Everyone feels a little more tired and achy when they've had a big day prior, so what's the difference? Your symptoms are worse because you did x,y, or z? Did they have to be done or did you get some much needed joy out of doing them? Then, so what! You have to ride the ebb and flow of it to some extent. The pain, exaughstion, etc are unavoidable. You can't "behave" well enough to eliminate bad days. You may not even have much say over how many bad days you have. Live the best you can. That's all anyone gets to ask of you.

Eighth, do not rule out alternative therapies. There has been a lot of success in these other forms of treatment for fibro patients. Physical therapy, massage, accupuncture, herbal remedies and more have great promise. You get to use EVERYTHING at your disposal to help yourself be as well as you can be. If you can afford it, do it. If you can't, save up and try it at least once. Then decide what you might have to do if it proves to help substantially. Be careful of drug interactions both among your regular prescriptions and any herbs, etc that you add to your treatment plan.

Hope this helps sweetie! If you want more specific help or just to talk, my inbox is open! gentle ((hugs))

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 7:28:50 AM   
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So sorry for what fibro patients are going through. I am thinking i read about Vitamin B therapy...B6?


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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 9:45:26 AM   
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"Sixth, learn to listen to your body. It is so tempting to push hard on the "good" days. Resist this as much as possible. You will learn how your body feels when it is reaching it's limit. Also, you will learn some cues that you might be getting ready to enter a bad day. Anticipating this somewhat can help you have strategies in place for when you can't take care of your whole world. "

*LMAO*

I was sitting here going "Ooooooooo, I feel GOOD today, I need to get this, this, this and thus done today!" when I realized I shouldn't push it too much. And then your post came through reiterating that.

It's been suspected for years that I had fibro, it was just that I had a doctor in Idaho that refused to officially DX it because there wasn't a simple, tried and true lab test that would say "YES! You have fibro!" but so many things have to be ruled out first. I also have a couple of other medical conditions that are life-long and I understand dealing with them. I have an inoperable benign tumor on my pancreas, they thought it was cancer last year but thankfully it wasn't. However, I've been warned that the nature of the tumor could go cancerous at some point in the future. Between that, the fibro, anxiety disorder and borderline diabetes, I tend to eat fairly good. I use a lot of supplements and natural foods. I used my chiropractor in Idaho faithfully, he had a sliding scale fee and I could get a full adjustment for $15.

This has been a feeling of appreciation that my current doctor has said "ok - yes, let's deal with this now. Chronic pain is no fun and sucks the life out of you."  I'm just so thankful to find a doctor who is willing to work with me, he's been great! (If anyone needs a great doctor in the Niagara Region of Ontario, I have a great one that I highly recommend!)

Thanks for all the help and suggestions, now I'm wondering if we should have the CM Fibro support thread going..... ;)


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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 11:22:41 AM   
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Yes we should! They have an entire group on Fet for us fibro guys and gals.

Good on you, Rain to stop and reevaluate doing all those things that I am absolutely certain are life or death after all! LOL I am bad for that too. I get a halfway decent day and tear down a whole room for cleaning along with making five hundred appointment that everyone needs. Too bad by the time it is time to keep those appointments I am back to being a mess again. Oh what fun!

I feel your pain when it comes to the antidepressant thing. I am literally terrified of the darn things after so many HORRIBLE reactions. My body just doesn't tolerate them. I am open to trying some out of a different class of antidepressants that I haven't used before, but as soon as I have a red flag, it's over.

I had doctors who told me everything from I was just seeking attention, it was all in my head, blah blah blah. It took finally hitting rock bottom and finding a very good GP that I finally got on track to finding some REAL help. This has been going on at one level or another since at least middle school and maybe longer than that. I know how frustrating it can be and I am so glad you have found a good dr.

I didn't address sleep earlier and I probably should have. As I am sure you know, sleep quality is a major part of the problem in people with fibro. If your dr has not sent you for sleep studies, I would encourage you to request that he does. Also, when you find one sleep issue (notice I said when not if ) and have it well managed, do another study. Often fibro patients have MULTIPLE sleep issues and those issues can resolve and have new ones emerge in their place or additionally all the time. The reason for more than one study is because one sleep disturbance can cover up other ones. For example, sleep apnea will disrupt sleep before there is enough deeper sleep waves to evaluate to determine if there is an issue in those deeper states of sleep. Once the sleep apnea is managed, they can then evaluate deeper. In addition, you can't help what your body is doing when it is asleep, but you can help yourself establish good sleep habits. Going to bed and getting up at the same times every day, being careful when and for how long you nap during the day, avoiding sugar and caffeine close to bedtime, and dedicating a place strictly for sleep are part of this. I am terrible about writing journals or fiddling with bills and such on my bed. I would be better off doing those things at my desk or lounged on the couch or someone else's bed.

I will mention this since we are a lovely group of kinksters after all, but I have found a carefully administered pain session helps me DRAMATICALLY. It seems to be a pretty successful "treatment" for not only pain management, but deeper sleep, and help in regulating moods. Some dominants on the Fet boards with fibro actually require this service of their subbies or another trusted dominant. It works that well for many. Ohhhh, whoopsie... better not let that Lumus read this post.

Take care sweetie and any help I can offer, you know where to find me.

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 12:12:51 PM   
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Rain, I am very sorry that you have the dx, although I know how important it is to know some answers. Now you have some directions you can go in that will actually help make a difference.

I will refrain at this time in saying what I really think about a lot of things. My research with fibro is now almost a couple decades long and I have seen a lot in that time. Research money for fibro funneled into MS... war's in medicine and web sites for fibro... thoughts of what causes what and all that. I have gone toe to toe with doctors and even a medical school and although the medical school was honorable and agreed to let me post a link to the asshat doctor they had on a web site, that I challenged and they had many doctors oppose what he said, he was still allowed to teach medical students and never did change his opinion. Many doctors hold his same opinion. After I raised a ruckus about it... I could never find him publishing anything on fibro again.

I remember the doctors of old, one who had a wife with fibro saying we only needed some over the counter medications (I was pissed!) and then a few years later, I knew his wife had gotten worse and he then advocated for narcotic's. I have seen research covered up, stopped and all sorts of things, so I have some real attitude and from what I see, they are still barking up the wrong tree's.

One interesting fact I learned, forgot and relearned when I went into my research was that we grow new nerve fiber endings faster than others do. To me, that explains a whole lot! Besides the neurological faulty transmitters sending faulty messages that we are in pain when we shouldn't be... these nerve fiber endings are both a curse and a blessing in my opinion! I joke about it and try to find the good in the bad. When we feel pain it is two to three times more than the average person... but I happen to believe because of the nerve fiber endings... that we can also feel more pleasure. It depends on the stimulus.

Ross Peroe funded research at a Texas University, for Gulf War victims. The government wasn't doing anything to help so Ross took it upon himself to fund research that would prove the vets had a real illness and to get them help. This research has been buried although you can sometimes find reference to it online. They found that with an FMRI... not just an MRI, that they could see Gulf
War disease and Fibro deep in the brain. I have seen the results of it and may have copies of it if they weren't stolen when I lost half of my research. Why anyone would want it, I don't know.

If you do see anything on this research, it will no longer talk about fibro being seen by an FMRI. I believe because it would prove it is real in a way that could not be denied and then the government would have to accept disability claims for maybe millions of people at some point. Proving fibromyalgia with a definitive test could overwhelm many agencies.

Living with fibro... and there is life after fibro(!) is a challenge and a hit and miss thing, but you can find some balance in it all. You will learn your limits and when to push and when to rest. You will make mistakes in it all or a symptom will change how you react, but you can learn quite a bit that will make it easier. As other's have said, stress is a knock out. Some pain you can work through and some you cannot. I can remember crying as I cleaned a roast to prepare to cook and although I didn't think I could do it, I pushed and broke through the pain. I learned then when I could push through using physical activity and when I simply needed to give up and lay down.

I have gone down for months at a time and then bounce back up when no one thought I was going to make it. My lips were turning blue... I had been in bed for months, unable to do much of anything. We thought it was the end. I found out about green magma and started using it at half the dose, breaking it in slowly which I think should be done with any treatment. Within two doses there was a difference in my mental abilities for about an hour and until the next dose. (This was seen by other's before I saw it.) Within three weeks I was out taking walks. Within a month I was living a totally different life, looked better than I ever had, since I have had fibro from birth and have what is considered one of the worst cases at least my doctors had seen. People who saw me near death and then saw me a month or month and a half later could not believe the life in me and the difference. I highly recommend green magma! You can google it and read about what it has in it.

I take a simple path in medication as I find many medications dangerous. I use muscle relaxer when needed and a pain medication... which I have been without since Dec because of my move and having problems funding and finding decent medical care. I have tried the vit b and all sorts of things and the green magma covers this and most everything else. It is considered the most perfect food because it has so much in it and it is baby green barly.

Massage is your biggest asset! I believe that with at least three full body massages a week you can prevent the lumps we can often get and keep things in order. Hot water is a great friend, but if you have any problem with soaking in water... such as urinary things, use only water that is chemically treated or showers. Sometimes a heating pad helps if you do not swell... which most with fibro alone do not, but with other factors, you could.

Move at least every twenty minutes if not more. When we move, the toxin's in our muscles go into our system in a way that is different than other people. So one has a tendency to be more in pain then and will restrict movement. I believe that if you continue to move you in a way get used to these toxins and will have less pain. This is my theory based on a doctor from Canada who had a different way of looking at fibro and his treatment of his patient's. He was amazing and I found him to be correct in what he thought was going on.

They are sending us to the wrong doctors. Period. This is a neurological problem that effects most every system in our body. It is thought to have a genetic pre-condition and at least with cfs, has a viral aspect in groups of people getting it. None of this has been figured out yet. I have found that with the cfs I can go into remission but never with the fibro. While not in remission I cannot get a virus. When in remission I can get a virus. All of it is just weird!

Just keep in mind that we are all different! Nothing works for all of us!

My standby's are also pepto bismo, gas x for digestive things and the IBS and AZO or the irritable bladder stuff. I am lucky that I am allergic to milk, but by using milk it counteracts the IBS! So I drink milk and rarely ever have a problem when I had a problem nearly every day before.

As for sleep, nothing worked for me, but I got a memory foam mattress cover (the four inch) and found sleep at last, for the first time in my life. I would wake up more stiff because I didn't move during my sleep, but I slept for the first time in my life. I would take this before any medication they have.

Good luck with this!


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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 12:33:50 PM   
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I was diagnosed at 15. The rheumotologist's exact words were "You will never live a normal life"...of course I burst into tears and my Mom ripped him a new one. My treatment plan is Celebrex because I finally bitched so much that they had to give me some help to shut me up and I only accomplished that in the last 4 months. The general consensus between all those around me is "Put on your big girl panties and suck it up". No one will prescribe anything for the pain, no one is empathetic on my bad days, and apparently everyone else lives with chronic pain and never misses a day of work so why the hell should I. I was in absolute agony on Tuesday and got told to come in to work because that would help distract me. It hurt to sit, it hurt to stand, it just plain hurt so bad to exist. I'm on Lyrica only it doesn't help with the fibromyalgia, only my anxiety. My personal treatment plan is take enough ibuprofen to kill my liver. I try not to do it often but sometimes I just need to do SOMETHING even if it doesn't really work. It makes me feel less helpless. I say just keep hope. And if you need a change in treatment or something more from your Docs then bitch until you get it. You have the right to exceptional care from a knowledgable source. 

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 12:47:45 PM   
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Ibuprofen thins the blood less than other NSAIDs and is best to use rather than the others, but like the over the counter and priscriptions like it, can be very dangerous. A month of tylenol had my liver inflamed. Other's doubled me over with stomach pain. Over use of these things can cause death! You can have a bleed anywhere in your body, but most often in your stomach or brain. If you have medical care... get those plattlets checked regularily as well as liver function. Watch for extra bruising too.

While we think that thinning the blood is a good thing for most people and it will prevent strokes and such, it can be deadly for some... like me. Use it all with caution and pay close attention to stomach pain or ailments. The one problem with some people is they get no symptoms and will have a bleed from the meds. I know I have had to use something in the last few months and I chose Ibuprofen because it is less dangerous, but each time I have taken it, I knew I risked a bleed because of another illness I have. But of them all... over the counter anyway, it is the best one from what I had found in research.

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 12:55:11 PM   
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WATCH THIS, IT’S AN EYE OPENER
YouTube - Vitamin D and Prevention of Chronic Diseases


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq1t9WqOD-0

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 1:34:05 PM   
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here is another link (though I think you can only watch it in the UK and it might not really help to find out more about the condition itself) however, it is about PTSD and fibromyalgia is mentioned there as well:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lwdb6/Panorama_The_Trauma_Industry/

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 1:41:31 PM   
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While I agree that vit D is a majorly important factor... it isn't the only factor. There are too many varitables to say that vit D will prevent or cure many illness's. I have read the documents... pages and pages on vit D. I have seen documentaries. There is no way in this video that all things can be presented and although I love humor and simplifying things so people can understand, a lot of what he presents is theory provided in a comical manner. You are laughing and more ready to accept all he says. I would rather have the facts, proven facts by society at large than a few theories based on a smaller scale. (including my own)

I agree with most he says, but... he uses nature to prove some things and then disproves other things by using nature again. I tried light theropy as one of my first treatments. Boy you should have seen my living room decor! I had always been in the sun and for most my life drank milk and used vitamines. I am not well. I think that genetic's play a large part in all of this, but not always the only part. Same with many things.

He says that nature of our being, that we changed to be able to survive in the climent we were in. Okay... so far... I see this as sound. Yet... mother's milk is not enough to give a source of vit D. Now.. that should be based on the mother! What she does, how she lives, what she eats etc. Yes, if she doesn't have enough, the baby will suffer and so will she... but if she has enough without the precautions that others take.. how do we explain that?

My vit D has never been shown to be deficient and it has been tested.. a lot.

While I agree with most I have read and much of what he says...  and we should be doing more in this area, but vit D alone is not the answer to many things. It is something we should be learning and doing, but it is not going to be the miracle it is sometimes presented as.

I have seen growth hormone treatments that people swore by... I have seen other things that people swore by and they all claimed that if the people... all people did things the way they said... they would be well or get better. It depends on the person... the genetic's and so many other things. There is no right way and I will say... look at what he says about the differences in people based on race. What will work for some will not work for others.

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 1:43:20 PM   
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Avoid anything sweet and food additives and fruits. No carrots nor nuts nor rice nor cauliflower. Nor anything that has these or parts of these as ingredients.
I am subsisting on three to four litres of yoghurt per day and vitamin C tablets and a few kinds of cookies. Occasionally I will eat potatoes, meat, eggs, chicory. I expect with this diet for symptoms to disappear within ten days. Do exercize every day to burn sugars.

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 2:27:42 PM   
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Lovingpet... I hope you will see this and make some comments on that vit D and p glad thingy... Now there is a lady that knows some stuff! Opened my eyes to a number of things!

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RE: Fibromyalgia and treatment options? - 7/31/2009 2:32:54 PM   
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On the vitamin D issue. When I hit what I thought was rock bottom (enter the pickaxe I seem to have found now), my vit D was 8. 30-60 is normal. After two years, I have still only made it to 23. Now if vit D were the great cure all, I should be feeling better. NOPE. My symptoms are worse than every and I am finding I have new symptoms every day. It's not all it's cracked up to be.

One huge caveat not discussed is vit D levels in a condition known as hyperparathyroidism. Basically, this is a condition where *normally* begnine tumors grow on one or more of the parathyroid glands (you have 4) and cause an oversecretion of parathyroid hormone (PTH). This hormone does exactly one thing in the body, releases calcium sources into the bloodstream. Calcium fuels many MANY functions in the body. A slight elevation in calcium in the body can lead to anything from chronic pain to stroke to death. High PTH and high calcium equals primary hyperparathyroidism and, after a scan to determine if or where the tumor is, it will be removed and life can start getting back to normal.

Vitamin D is necessary for proper calcium absorption. When vitamin D levels are low, PTH tends to run a tad high, but calcium usually is not affected. Still, similar symptoms can pop up. This is usually called secondary hyperparathyroidism because it is thought that the parathyroids are only overactive because the lack of vitamin D is not allowing calcium to be absorbed from the diet, so the body must release enough for bodily functions from other sources such as the bones, hence why some of the same symptoms occur. The problem is that, if calcium is too high at any point, this is dangerous to the body and it will convert vitamin D into an alternate form which BLOCKS the absorption of calcium from the diet instead of assisting it. The body is PROTECTING itself. Now what happens is that the vit D that causes absorption drops, the vit D that blocks goes up, calcium levels remain normalish most of the time and the parathyroids are still overproducing. It isn't because they are perceiving a lack of calcium. It is because there is functional tumor tissue (adenoma).

This is not the general theory, but a few drs have studied it long and hard. It turns out there very well be no such thing as SECONDARY hyperparathyroidism. The same tumors were present in folks with or without low vit D. If they had low vit D, the patients tended to have normal or very slightly elevated calcium and slightly elevated parathyroid hormone. As it turns out, the LOWER the vit D level the more likely the patient was to have multiple tumors and to have had symptoms over a longer period of time. The same parathyroid surgery (like a 15 minute procedure typically, unless the tumor was particularly difficult to locate or remove), did the trick AND within a few weeks of surgery vit D levels rose back to normal.

My point in all this rambling is simply that vit D and how it works in the body is still very poorly misunderstood. I am still searching for a doc that will just scan my neck and see if maybe just maybe these tumors are there after all. Could you imagine years of suffering more or less over in a few weeks? I will still have some collateral damage likely (osteoporotic issues to be corrected and such), but the worst would be over. It is a theory I am eager to follow up on. Just take everything with a grain of salt when dealing with the medical community. Do your own homework and be your own best advocate. That is how to get the best bang for your buck!

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